ION (Battle Born) ?

[luvrbus]

Not up on the new batteries ,so will 1 or 2 Battle Born in a bank that don't take a charge they are reading 0 when he turns the inverter on they all go dead.Battle Born seems to think he has a bad battery in the bank any answers before we send these batteries back to RENO ,their 10 year warranty kinda sucks

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

He should have bought Lion Energy lithium batteries.   

[neoneddy]

If it reads 0, it's the BMS that is protecting it.  Try giving it a voltage , so if it lights up.

Why is it  a bad warranty?  If they'll take it back and fix / replace, sounds like that's all they can do.

[luvrbus]

If it reads 0, it's the BMS that is protecting it.  Try giving it a voltage , so if it lights up.

Why is it  a bad warranty?  If they'll take it back and fix / replace, sounds like that's all they can do.

LOL 200 bucks for frieght back to Reno if they decide it is something you did caused the problem they do the repair for $150.00 per hour plus parts ,he has photos of his install just incase that comes into play ,8000 bucks in batteries that don't  work he is a little pissed off right now

[neoneddy]

Ok, that's more context.

Honestly, battle borne is great for 1 or 2 batteries in a stock RV battery tray.   For anything bigger buy the 280 AH lishen cells from alibaba and a BMS. I did the math, $500 or so gets you 280 AH @ 12v . Buy a few extra cells for hot skates and you're set for the next 10 years.

I'll never buy a battery for $1000 I can't fix myself.

[windtrader]

Before you do any returns, work with BB tech support on diagnosing the specific problem. You need to determine exactly the state of each battery in the bank.


The most simple and fast thing to do is do a simple voltage test on each battery in the bank. You don't need to disconnect anything. Just put the probes on each battery's positive and negative connection.  That will give the first indication of the state of each battery in the pack. If the voltage is different by more than 200 mv something is not right. Could be battery or BMS.


To verify if it's a BMS issue, disconnect all the batteries in the bank, then top charge them manually. Disconnect the BMS, reconnect the batteries together then run them down about 25% of the total capacity. Then check the voltage of each battery again. If they are all equal then the batteries are OK.


Something is amiss with the BMS. Check the settings to make sure it is configured properly. The main setting to check is that balancing is enabled during charging, no need to balance on discharge, and that the other settings are set properly. Check the manual for those.


At that point, get back in a huddle with BB tech support and decide what to do next with them.

[luvrbus]

Before you do any returns, work with BB tech support on diagnosing the specific problem. You need to determine exactly the state of each battery in the bank.


The most simple and fast thing to do is do a simple voltage test on each battery in the bank. You don't need to disconnect anything. Just put the probes on each battery's positive and negative connection.  That will give the first indication of the state of each battery in the pack. If the voltage is different by more than 200 mv something is not right. Could be battery or BMS.


To verify if it's a BMS issue, disconnect all the batteries in the bank, then top charge them manually. Disconnect the BMS, reconnect the batteries together then run them down about 25% of the total capacity. Then check the voltage of each battery again. If they are all equal then the batteries are OK.


Something is amiss with the BMS. Check the settings to make sure it is configured properly. The main setting to check is that balancing is enabled during charging, no need to balance on discharge, and that the other settings are set properly. Check the manual for those.


At that point, get back in a huddle with BB tech support and decide what to do next with them.

He spent days Don on the phone with tech running tests ,3 are bad it is ok using 4 he told me .I am not close to the bus to help him

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

Just so you know...

I talked to the Director of Technology at Lion Energy in American Fork, Utah and he said if you ever have a problem with their batteries, and he said their batteries have a limited lifetime warranty and if you have problems with their batteries, they will pay the return shipping if something is wrong with it and will replace it with a brand new battery.  They try to make returns/replacements as simple as possible.

That being said, you can get a 15% discount on their batteries like the ones I have for 15% off using this link.  The discount will be applied when you Check Out. 

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[luvrbus]

I am going to hang with my Lifeline 8d's they only drop to 80% in 24 hrs running this electric hog we own, they are heavy suckers though,and take a while to charge back to 100% I cannot get 100% using the chassis alternator driving my alternator only puts out 13.8 v fwiw   

[neoneddy]

@luvrbus - I have an AGM bank as well, also had alternator issues.  I assume you know how to adjust the voltage for the alternator.  If that's maxed out it could be a bad set of diodes.  I pull the cover on my 50DN and found a few questionable ones, replaced and had some success.  In the end I replaced the alternator completely and kept the old as a rebuild-able core.

It's super important to get those AGMS up to 14.4 for a good 8-12 hours every few weeks if they aren't getting there regularly.  I hear Lifeline has an equalization process where you can do 15.5 or so v for 8 hours and it won't cook the electrolyte.

Maybe you know all this, just sharing my thoughts.

[luvrbus]

@luvrbus - I have an AGM bank as well, also had alternator issues.  I assume you know how to adjust the voltage for the alternator.  If that's maxed out it could be a bad set of diodes.  I pull the cover on my 50DN and found a few questionable ones, replaced and had some success.  In the end I replaced the alternator completely and kept the old as a rebuild-able core.

It's super important to get those AGMS up to 14.4 for a good 8-12 hours every few weeks if they aren't getting there regularly.  I hear Lifeline has an equalization process where you can do 15.5 or so v for 8 hours and it won't cook the electrolyte.

Maybe you know all this, just sharing my thoughts.

I don't have a 50D mine has a 180 amp,mine is all electronic  engine,transmission,suspension even the lights I am leery about turning the voltage up 

[neoneddy]

If they never get to soak at 14.4v you're killing them.

[luvrbus]

If they never get to soak at 14.4v you're killing them.

I run the generator or plug in and the inverter will take care of it

[freds]

If they never get to soak at 14.4v you're killing them.

Lead acid batteries need to be soaked.

Lithium batteries do not, actually they should be partially discharged if they are going to sit idle for long periods of time.

That's why when you get a new device with lithium batteries they want you to charge it first.

Also if you are going to store a lithium battery for a long period of time you should charge it to at least 50%. If you put it into storage when it's gone into safe mode and cut off the output, then the BMS will continue to sip power from the battery cells and eventually get them below their minimum voltage level and kill them.

[someguy]

Used Telsa battery modules are 1/5th the cost on a KWh basis.