Speaking of Green new deal and our buses

[tr206]

Have we not made huge advances to clean up pollution from fossil fuels, plant trees etc whatever? but it's hardly ever reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of the left. yes no?

[Nova Eona]

Have we not made huge advances to clean up pollution from fossil fuels, plant trees etc whatever? but it's hardly ever reported because it doesn't fit the agenda of the left. yes no?

Oh sure, just look at comparisons of smog levels and water pollution today vs. 40 years ago in most major cities.  Trouble is, we need substantially more than has been done and we're seeing diminishing returns; fossil fuels simply cannot sustainably provide for our civilization without wrecking havoc on the environment (which we live in).  It's like when they realized that asbestos caused cancer - the solution wasn't 'less, safer asbestos' it was new technologies which could initially meet, and then eventually surpassed, the role which asbestos played in the majority of the world.

In a rational world, this would not be a political issue - the facts are there and the vast majority of scientists are in agreement on what's going on.  Unfortunately, one party has made a habit of denying facts when they were inconvenient for corporate profits.

[tr206]

 Anyway I'm shocked how many of you out there probably own a smoky old polluting  2 cycle Detroit diesel in your old buses should I say shame on you or what I'm I suppose to think. Are you going to pull a John Kerry do as I say not as I do.

[tr206]

I think I'm going to take my smoky old diesel pickup for ride and enjoy the day before America implodes trying to save the world. Have a great day.

[belfert]

Tulsa County Ok owned a electric MCI that just sold at auction,the bus never made a round trip without breaking down hauling prisoners from Tulsa to McAlester a 100 mile 1 way trip the old Blue Birds where sent to finish hauling the prisoners every trip

I thought MCI only announced their electric coaches in December 2019?  Was this an earlier generation product?

[belfert]

I have solar panels at my house that more than cover my electricity usage.  I made provisions to be able to install another 20 panels for an EV when I installed my current panels.

I have been looking at EVs for a few years.  I almost leased a Hyundai Ioniq EV when they had a deal that was $79 or $99 per month a while back.  I decided against it when I figured out that sales tax, registration, and road use fee would double my monthly cost.  It would have become my primary vehicle with my other vehicle used for range, or when I needed to haul something.

I am convinced my next vehicle in hopefully five years will either be an EV or a plug-in hybrid.

[Nova Eona]

Anyway I'm shocked how many of you out there probably own a smoky old polluting  2 cycle Detroit diesel in your old buses should I say shame on you or what I'm I suppose to think. Are you going to pull a John Kerry do as I say not as I do.

It's all about scale, and this is a common argument put forward for those who oppose environmental regulations.  "Stop worrying about what the corporations are doing and focus on what *you* can do".  Reality is, it doesn't matter how green you are personally if the corporation down the street (or across the world) is releasing toxins and greenhouse gasses into the environment willy-nilly; their contribution is exponentially greater than yours.  This is a macro problem, ad hominem counters on the micro level are not a valid dismissal.

[luvrbus]

You could see this one becoming political and we are here time to lock it down

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

This topic is being locked to preserve everyone's health.   

Gary Hatt