Used coach buyers remorse...

someguy · August 13, 2020, 06:38:27 PM

He does that a lot.

Yes, a weak 8V92. An engine swap is probably in order. $10K and a bunch of work. And no slide. And an ugly interior. And the systems in it are all 27 years old. Where does one start ?

Fred Mc · August 13, 2020, 06:39:59 PM

"Has a weak 8v92 DDEC ,funny to see Andrew a detailer pitching a bus for sale I guess he is expanding into info commercials"
He does a lot of theses videos. I find him a little annoying.

DoubleEagle · August 13, 2020, 06:46:17 PM

I'll keep my Model 15 Eagle and pass on the opportunity to spend too much on a bus. It could be had for less, but I don't want it.

luvrbus · August 13, 2020, 07:13:09 PM

Quote from: Fred Mc on August 13, 2020, 06:39:59 PM
"Has a weak 8v92 DDEC ,funny to see Andrew a detailer pitching a bus for sale I guess he is expanding into info commercials"
He does a lot of theses videos. I find him a little annoying.

I never knew he made video's lol but I never watch the bs YouTube either ,he is a hella of detailer looks like he waved his magic wand on that one it didn't look that good the last time I saw it

someguy · August 13, 2020, 07:17:43 PM

2000 Prevost Liberty Lady. S60. No slides. Shows 10/10. $169K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF99z5qNm2o

luvrbus · August 13, 2020, 07:31:10 PM

Quote from: someguy on August 13, 2020, 07:17:43 PM
2000 Prevost Liberty Lady. S60. No slides. Shows 10/10. $169K.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF99z5qNm2o

You are not going to find many Prevost with slides till 2002 any Prevost with slides before 2002 were a add on by a converter and some had problems big problems.Conversion prices are up 15% now since fuel is cheap but that will change when fuel hits 4 bucks a gal it always does

someguy · August 13, 2020, 10:13:55 PM

All the more reasons to buy a seated coach and do my own conversion.

I thought that these things were immune to the price of fuel ? Everyone always says "If you have to ask..."

LOL.

peterbylt · August 14, 2020, 08:14:20 AM

Quote from: someguy on August 13, 2020, 05:03:44 PM

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When we were upgrading from the Class C and decided on a Bus, in my opinion there really was only one choice, we were going to buy a seated Coach, and do a ground up conversion.

I did look at a few previously converted Buses and knew if I opted for a previously converted Bus it would still be a complete gut and rebuild.

Why ?

The previously converted coaches that we looked at in our Price range were all dated, deteriorated and worn out.

I probably could use a lot of the components from the systems, tanks, generator, load centers, a lot would need to be upgraded and changed, IE: incandescent lights vs LED, Spray Foam vs fiberglass insulation.

The quality and way the wiring was run, to accommodate my future plans for automation and placement of electronics, the current state of electronics could not have even been considered when the coaches that we were looking at were built.

The wife really needed to be onboard in this endeavor, I gave her free rein on the design although she had to stay within certain physical and monetary restrictions, Her ideas did not fit into someone else's design.

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Another consideration is I love a project always have a number of things I am working on or building and this looked like the Granddaddy of all projects, this would be the project that I could use all the skills I had learned.

Do you still feel this way about it ?

Absolutely, probably the most rewarding and fun project I have ever done.

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as the conversion progressed I found a number of hidden things that were unbelievably bad, I don%u2019t believe the Coach had been maintained at all in the last 10 years of its life as a commercial bus, one thing you need to remember, if this bus was in perfect shape they never would have retired it and sold it for $5000.

Tell us more.

See this topic, I have to say finding this issue was the low point of the entire build, once a course of action was determined it was all good from there.
This forum and the awesome amount of bus experience and information helped guide me through this, what seemed to me at the time, overwhelming problem.

https://www.busconversionmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=34192.0

Peter

muldoonman · August 15, 2020, 04:32:31 AM

Quote from: someguy on August 13, 2020, 04:58:43 PM
Here's what $100K gets these days. 1993 H3-45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHqAgX4Zm3M

What do you think ?

That same coach with a slide fetches $150K.

Know where you can pick up a 1991 XL with 97,000 mile 8V92TA motor for $50,000. Prevost maintained.

I'll have to pay Gary his juice if i sell.

luvrbus · August 15, 2020, 05:42:45 AM

Quote from: muldoonman on August 15, 2020, 04:32:31 AM
Know where you can pick up a 1991 XL with 97,000 mile 8V92TA motor for $50,000. Prevost maintained. I'll have to pay Gary his juice if i sell.

Glen you better be careful someone is going to buy that bus then you will riding a bicycle to the Gulf coast,lol 50k you could show that in receipts from Stewart/Stevenson and Prevost in Houston run a ad it will sell in day it's a nice conversion

someguy · August 15, 2020, 11:12:03 AM

Quote from: muldoonman on August 15, 2020, 04:32:31 AM
Know where you can pick up a 1991 XL with 97,000 mile 8V92TA motor for $50,000. Prevost maintained. I'll have to pay Gary his juice if i sell.

Sorry, not interested in a 2 stroke. Looking for a smooth side, newer and a slide.

I've got a couple seated coaches in the cross hairs, but not sure I'll pull the trigger right away.

muldoonman · August 15, 2020, 05:05:01 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on August 15, 2020, 05:42:45 AM

Glen you better be careful someone is going to buy that bus then you will riding a bicycle to the Gulf coast,lol 50k you could show that in receipts from Stewart/Stevenson and Prevost in Houston run a ad it will sell in day it's a nice conversion

Yeah Cliff haven't listed it yet but will soon. I keep it up no doubt and it'll be a good one for someone. Heck we have been locked down with this Covid Crap and haven't run it but just to the inspection station for the tags last month. OTR didn't work or light was a flashing on AC and was blowing semi cool. . Low freon. Always something with these. Think I'll get a pop up tent trailer or trade for a tiny class C and just smile at the bus owners when they pass and look down at me and feel sorry for us.

someguy · August 15, 2020, 05:14:22 PM

Quote from: lostagain on August 12, 2020, 05:11:03 PM
I thought an inframe was a rebuild with engine in the bus. Once it is out on the shop floor, it is an out of frame rebuild.

An inframe means the bock stays in the chassis and isn't sent to the machine shop for line boring, etc. An inframe is generally lower end bearings plus sleeves and pistons. Sometimes head work.

I don't think there is enough room to do an inframe in a bus chassis. Certainly it would be much easier to remove the engine cradle which would make an inframe ridiculously easy and nice to do.

I'd still call a rebuild with the engine cradle removed an in frame because the engine isn't unbolted from its engine mounts and no major machining is done to the block.

richard5933 · August 15, 2020, 06:19:21 PM

In frame rebuilds are done on buses all the time.

dtcerrato · August 15, 2020, 07:21:17 PM

After 38 years of running the same bus and eventually a tired ole' engine - we did an in-frame rebuild - Lower end rods & crank bearings, new liners, pistons, rings, & head job - runs like it is new, again! Engine was totally repainted & never left the bus.