Bought a different bus today

luvrbus · April 07, 2019, 04:16:19 PM

He needs to check to see what engine he has the 11.1 is not the best series 60

Jcparmley · April 07, 2019, 04:38:39 PM

I have a 1996 12.7 L. The serial number is

6067GK28

Quote from: luvrbus on April 07, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
He needs to check to see what engine he has the 11.1 is not the best series 60

Jcparmley · April 07, 2019, 04:45:13 PM

Does anyone know what this is by the drivers left knee? Is this a Wabesto controller? I don't have a manual yet so I can't look it up. Whatever it is I can get it to turn on. I really appreciate the help.

thomasinnv · April 07, 2019, 05:47:25 PM

Yes thats the controls for the webasto.

It's anybody's guess what the power is set to on your engine, only way to know for sure is to plug in to it and see. Thats the model number btw, not the serial number. A pretty common factory setting for that era would be 370/400/430 @ 1450 but like I said, only one way to know for sure. Any number of things could have been shoved onto that ecm over the years.

Mine was set to 370 @ 1450...I reprogrammed it to 470 @ 1550 and boy did it really wake it up.

6805eagleguy · April 07, 2019, 06:12:45 PM

Here is a handy serial number decoder

Jcparmley · April 07, 2019, 06:55:03 PM

Yes, the model number and not the serial number. I should have said that. So how did you reprogram your series 60?

Quote from: thomasinnv on April 07, 2019, 05:47:25 PM
Yes thats the controls for the webasto.

It's anybody's guess what the power is set to on your engine, only way to know for sure is to plug in to it and see. Thats the model number btw, not the serial number. A pretty common factory setting for that era would be 370/400/430 @ 1450 but like I said, only one way to know for sure. Any number of things could have been shoved onto that ecm over the years.

Mine was set to 370 @ 1450...I reprogrammed it to 470 @ 1550 and boy did it really wake it up.

thomasinnv · April 07, 2019, 11:20:40 PM

Quote from: Jcparmley on April 07, 2019, 06:55:03 PMSo how did you reprogram your series 60?

I have a usb link and the DDRS and DDCT software, and a few hundred oem DDEC files. It's not as easy as just dropping a new file into the ecm though. The file has to be compatible with the internals of your engine.

Jcparmley · April 07, 2019, 11:43:30 PM

Would an authorized Detroit dealer be able to tell me if an upgrade is possible?

Quote from: thomasinnv on April 07, 2019, 11:20:40 PM
I have a usb link and the DDRS and DDCT software, and a few hundred oem DDEC files. It's not as easy as just dropping a new file into the ecm though. The file has to be compatible with the internals of your engine.

thomasinnv · April 08, 2019, 12:06:26 AM

Quote from: Jcparmley on April 07, 2019, 11:43:30 PM
Would an authorized Detroit dealer be able to tell me if an upgrade is possible?

Any authorized detroit shop can plug in and see whats what. The ecm will most likely have 2 or 3 power settings onboard, and it's just a click of a button to change selections. If they have to upload a new program, it can get a little costly depending on what's available from the detroit server for your serial number. Most shops will charge you an hour if they just plug in and don't have to do any software upgrades.

If you were closer to me I would be happy to swing by and plug in. Chances are pretty good I would have a high hp file that's compatible to your engine. Chances are pretty good that you are not anywhere near the output capability of the engine. MCI is fairly conservative with thier programming levels as shipped when new, and most charter companies didn't want them boosted either.

buswarrior · April 08, 2019, 07:58:22 AM

The square webasto control was my second favorite after the 3-day clock style for a driver to get the (profanity deleted) thing to fire in the morning while on charter work...

Not so much a busnut challenge, in fleet use, multiple fingers and abusive techniques... you'd think you had some of these set right... wake up and head out to start coach... no fire had happened...

A busnut coach has one set of fingers, with a vested interest, and not as likely to need the timer to avoid waking early, dressing, trudging out to the coach to set fire, back in for shower, breakfast... etc.

Probably the power disconnected to it. Do a full service right away, the PO would have disconnected it instead of fixing/servicing it.

Nobody likes to spend money on something they plan to sell...

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior

Jcparmley · April 08, 2019, 09:46:13 AM

Thanks for the info. I found the unit this morning. It looks like it needs reconditioned. It looks like the PO unplugged it. Here are some pics. Any advice?

quote author=buswarrior link=topic=33893.msg388335#msg388335 date=1554735502]
The square webasto control was my second favorite after the 3-day clock style for a driver to get the (profanity deleted) thing to fire in the morning while on charter work...

Not so much a busnut challenge, in fleet use, multiple fingers and abusive techniques... you'd think you had some of these set right... wake up and head out to start coach... no fire had happened...

A busnut coach has one set of fingers, with a vested interest, and not as likely to need the timer to avoid waking early, dressing, trudging out to the coach to set fire, back in for shower, breakfast... etc.

Probably the power disconnected to it. Do a full service right away, the PO would have disconnected it instead of fixing/servicing it.

Nobody likes to spend money on something they plan to sell...

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
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Jcparmley · April 08, 2019, 09:48:03 AM

Here are more pics.

Jim Blackwood · April 08, 2019, 10:18:49 AM

I couldn't tell from your photos whether it was the Webasto or Eiberspacher burner, but it looks like your exhaust pipe is missing. At least you have it. It can be brought back to life.

Andy (my trucker brother) may have been wrong about the fuel consumption, I have no basis of evaluation there. And I don't think he has one in his Pete so he may be biased.

Up front, the lower square bit is a timer and turns the burner on. The upper unit with the knob? I've been trying to sort that out. Now the square button on the front of your shifter console is the left hand air intake control which feeds the main HVAC return through a big round hose and a butterfly damper in a square box up in the spare tire well. The right hand air intake feeds the dash air system via a long horizontal damper below the heater/AC core which has a cable attached to it. That cable goes down into the spare tire well and connects to??? Mine is cut off.

So I *suspect* your cable goes to an actuator of some sort and is wired to the module above the timer so that when you adjust the knob it opens and closes the dashboard fresh air damper. So a separate system from the webasto.

Btw, my timer was intermittent and is not the best sort of a control for RV use anyway. You can jumper two of the 3 wires to turn it on, I forget which ones but it's posted on here on my thread having to do with that. I substituted an thermostat that I bought on ebay for about ten bucks. I think I will keep looking for one that is the right size to fit in the square dashboard hole to the right of the steering column and is unused on my bus. I removed the wart that holds the timer. Currently I'm thinking of retroffitting the dash damper with a cable control which is about $60 part.

Jim

Jim Blackwood · April 08, 2019, 10:27:19 AM

JC, go inside to the back of your bus on the right side and pull the long access panel on the step. That gives you great access to the burner.

Jim

Jcparmley · April 08, 2019, 10:44:34 AM

Ok, I will open that up and take more pics this afternoon. Do you have any pics of your controller? Thanks for the help.
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JC, go inside to the back of your bus on the right side and pull the long access panel on the step. That gives you great access to the burner.

Jim
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