F250 toad--too much??

OKIE9ERS · October 14, 2018, 04:21:12 PM

Nowhere near finished with the conversion, but wife n I have been sorta shoppin for a toad...considering trading her 09 gmc sierra w 69k miles for jeep of some kind, but something not lifted so high we have to climb our old butts into it...Not liking the $$ on the jeeps, AND the missus is having 2nd thoughts on getting rid of her baby...My truck, an 06 f250 super duty, full size bed, 4 dr, manual tranny.
Big truck...
I read of a guy with an f150 toad...
Would I be asking too much of my 37 yr old 8v71? Would love to spend that Jeep money on the bus...And having something capable of moving that bus if needed is also appealing...
Thoughts???
Thanks

Alan N · October 14, 2018, 04:57:52 PM

I have pulled my work pickup ( 03 F-350 diesel with service body 10,000 lbs) with our bus.
It works but you definitely know it's back there. I wouldn't want to drag it around everywhere we go.

chessie4905 · October 14, 2018, 05:02:08 PM

The biggest thing to consider is having to stop real fast due to a "situation". Consider supplemental braking. Also your combined rig is going to be pretty lengthy

buswarrior · October 14, 2018, 05:18:13 PM

What does the F250 weigh?

Compared to your other choices?

Compared to a full load of passengers?

The toad you already own is the cheapest toad to have...

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior

Fred Mc · October 14, 2018, 06:02:25 PM

I bought a 2002 Minicooper standard. You can flat toe it and st about 2000 I hardly notice it back there. And it was cheap.

oltrunt · October 14, 2018, 07:39:31 PM

Almost every state now requires supplemental breaking on any toad over 1500#. Cheap and easy to deal with now days. I can't even imagine the liability of doing without.

I know, thread drift--but it is an ax that needs grinding. Jack

Jim Eh. · October 14, 2018, 08:50:36 PM

Quote from: buswarrior on October 14, 2018, 05:18:13 PM
What does the F250 weigh?

Mine is 2WD (same box/cab) and it weights in at just under 9000 LBS driver in ... (before dinner!)

chessie4905 · October 15, 2018, 04:46:29 AM

https://www.google.com/search?q=curb+weight+of+06+f250+crew+cab&oq=curb+weight+of+06+f250+crew+cab&aqs=chrome..69i57j33.33942j0j8&client=tablet-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

bevans6 · October 15, 2018, 06:06:08 AM

I have a 2005 F250, so a little familiar with the truck. As far as I know, the only version that is rated for flat towing is the automatic or manual 4WD with manual transfer case. The 2WD manual/automatic transmission and the automatic with shift-on-fly automatic transfer case aren't rated for flat towing, as far as I know.

As far as weight is concerned, it's going to be between roughly 6,000 and 8,000 lbs empty, depending on options. GVWR is 9,900-ish. Obviously the diesel engine auto 4WD crew cab long bed is going to the the heaviest, and a 2WD plain cab short bed with the small V8 is going to be lightest. Oddly, the littlest, lightest truck has almost 1,000 lbs higher load capacity than the biggest, heaviest truck. I wouldn't be concerned weight-wise towing up to around 8K lbs with an MC-9 presuming you have the right hitch and dialed-in brakes on the towed vehicle. The bus stops a lot faster than it accelerates, the loads on the hitch stopping can be three or four times the load accelerating. Obviously there is no tongue weight flat towing.

Dave5Cs · October 15, 2018, 07:01:50 AM

We have a 1995 wrangler Jeep TJ and the only thing i would get different is the straight 6 engine. They are good to climb hills but not so much on the hyway. But either way vary easy to setup and tow. Put it in Neutral and go.

dtcerrato · October 15, 2018, 07:39:29 AM

We used to pull our F250 with a full camper shell & loaded with our IL671 NA Detroit in our 04. It was an automatic so we'd disconnect the driveshaft & tie the rear up with wire. It towed it swell but knew it was back there! We've towed trailer up to 10,000 lbs with the same bus. Our favorite toad of em all was a 77 Jeep CJ5. We now tow an 09 Jeep GC.

muldoonman · October 15, 2018, 07:49:33 AM

Quote from: Jim Eh. on October 14, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Mine is 2WD (same box/cab) and it weights in at just under 9000 LBS driver in ... (before dinner!)

Must be hauling a ton as my 2017 Ford F250 Superduty Supercrew 4x4 gasser weighs in at about 6400 pounds.

luvrbus · October 15, 2018, 08:53:39 AM

Quote from: oltrunt on October 14, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
Almost every state now requires supplemental breaking on any toad over 1500#. Cheap and easy to deal with now days. I can't even imagine the liability of doing without.

I know, thread drift--but it is an ax that needs grinding. Jack

What state requires supplemental brakes on a toad,Canada does I use one for safety but it's not required,brakes are option even on the tow dolly 90 % of those don't have brakes

OKIE9ERS · October 15, 2018, 09:48:49 AM

Quote from: bevans6 on October 15, 2018, 06:06:08 AM
I have a 2005 F250, so a little familiar with the truck. As far as I know, the only version that is rated for flat towing is the automatic or manual 4WD with manual transfer case. The 2WD manual/automatic transmission and the automatic with shift-on-fly automatic transfer case aren't rated for flat towing, as far as I know.

As far as weight is concerned, it's going to be between roughly 6,000 and 8,000 lbs empty, depending on options. GVWR is 9,900-ish. Obviously the diesel engine auto 4WD crew cab long bed is going to the the heaviest, and a 2WD plain cab short bed with the small V8 is going to be lightest. Oddly, the littlest, lightest truck has almost 1,000 lbs higher load capacity than the biggest, heaviest truck. I wouldn't be concerned weight-wise towing up to around 8K lbs with an MC-9 presuming you have the right hitch and dialed-in brakes on the towed vehicle. The bus stops a lot faster than it accelerates, the loads on the hitch stopping can be three or four times the load accelerating. Obviously there is no tongue weight flat towing.

Mine is 6 spd manual transmission, but the 4wd is electronic switch on the dash....flat towable??

Fred Mc · October 15, 2018, 10:22:47 AM

Here is what it says for Wash State.

"(4) Automatic trailer brake application upon breakaway. Every trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer equipped with air or vacuum actuated brakes and every trailer, semitrailer, and pole trailer with a gross weight in excess of three thousand pounds, manufactured or assembled after January 1, 1964, shall be equipped with brakes acting on all wheels and of such character as to be applied automatically and promptly, and remain applied for at least fifteen minutes, upon breakaway from the towing vehicle."
And here is what it says for B.C.(Canada)
"Motorhome and Towed Motor Vehicle – If the towed motor vehicle has a gross vehicle weight of less than 2,000 kg (4,400 Ibs) and is less than 40% of the gross vehicle weight rating of the motorhome, brakes and coordinated brake control are not required."