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Black tank valve

Started by richard5933, April 13, 2018, 01:09:33 PM

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eagle19952

have you taken the cap off and looked ? could just be debris on the seat...
iirc 125s is the working classification of the valve. as in steam working pressure aka 125 psi.

Your valve is called:

Threaded End (NPT) Gate Valve 2" 200 WOG, 125 SWP , Heavy Cast Bronze Body, Quick Action Lever Operated Gate Valve Quick Opening Gate Valve

There isn't much in there.

http://www.cranecpe.com/index.cfm?objectid=BAA3D637-AAF9-6554-697C0415A9F7DB35

https://mainlandvalve.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=28_132_431_3250



Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

richard5933

Quote from: eagle19952 on April 14, 2018, 10:42:08 PM
have you taken the cap off and looked ? could just be debris on the seat...
...

That was my initial thought, only the cap doesn't seem willing to budge. I'm afraid of torquing too hard and damaging the seal between the flange and the tank.
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125 Custom Coach "Land Cruiser" (Sold)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (Former Bus)
1994 Airstream Excella 25-ft w/ 1999 Suburban 2500
Located in beautiful Wisconsin

Tom Y

Maybe remove hose and try going in the end with scotch brite. This is brass on brass to seal right? May be crap under bottom holding it up? May need worked more?
Tom Yaegle

chessie4905

Probably dried residue built up in groove. Clean with old toothbrush, and small screwdriver as necessary.
GMC h8h 649#028 (4905)
Pennsylvania-central

buswarrior

Is it time to suck it up?

If it comes apart, you will see if it just needs cleaning, otherwise replacement.

If you break it, otherwise replacement.

If you dilly dally with adding band-aids.... otherwise replacement.

There's only so many hours available to work on the coach. If you burn them up fooling around, what's left for the important stuff?

One way or another, it either opens up or breaks.

No time like the present?

Take pictures of the carnage?

happy coaching!
buswarrior
Frozen North, Greater Toronto Area
new project: 1995 MCI 102D3, Cat 3176b, Eaton Autoshift

richard5933

About 18" downstream from the brass valve is a removable cap. What if I rig a nozzle on the end of a long piece of slender pipe that I can insert from the end. With the brass valve open, I could thoroughly flush it out from the inside. The tank is empty now (other than a few gallons of RV antifreeze) so this would be the time to do something like this.

Is it worth the effort? Any chance it would dislodge what's causing the problem?
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125 Custom Coach "Land Cruiser" (Sold)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (Former Bus)
1994 Airstream Excella 25-ft w/ 1999 Suburban 2500
Located in beautiful Wisconsin

eagle19952

Quote from: richard5933 on April 15, 2018, 06:02:30 AM
About 18" downstream from the brass valve is a removable cap.

Is it worth the effort? Any chance it would dislodge what's causing the problem?

Why the hesitancy/resistance to remove the hose ? and look ?
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

richard5933

Quote from: eagle19952 on April 15, 2018, 11:06:41 AM
Why the hesitancy/resistance to remove the hose ? and look ?

No hesitance in removing the hose or the clean-out cap at the end of the hose. The hesitance is in forcing the cap on the valve itself. It's really difficult to put any torque on it without causing it to flex the flange at the tank.
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125 Custom Coach "Land Cruiser" (Sold)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (Former Bus)
1994 Airstream Excella 25-ft w/ 1999 Suburban 2500
Located in beautiful Wisconsin

eagle19952

Quote from: richard5933 on April 15, 2018, 11:12:03 AM
No hesitance in removing the hose or the clean-out cap at the end of the hose. The hesitance is in forcing the cap on the valve itself. It's really difficult to put any torque on it without causing it to flex the flange at the tank.

what is the tank made of ?

possibly remove the packing gland/stem seal and then heat the body below the cap ?
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

richard5933

Tank is made of polypropylene. My understanding is that it's pretty heat sensitive.
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125 Custom Coach "Land Cruiser" (Sold)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (Former Bus)
1994 Airstream Excella 25-ft w/ 1999 Suburban 2500
Located in beautiful Wisconsin

eagle19952

Quote from: richard5933 on April 15, 2018, 11:23:33 AM
Tank is made of polypropylene. My understanding is that it's pretty heat sensitive.

i dn't think with a plumbers torch (propane) and an impact wrench the tank will even know you were there...

the packing gland might tho, been there done that 30-40 years ago...
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

richard5933

Added a secondary valve for now. Decided to wait until fall when I replace the tank to do anything more. Also replaced the rubber hose with a new silicon hose.

 
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125 Custom Coach "Land Cruiser" (Sold)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (Former Bus)
1994 Airstream Excella 25-ft w/ 1999 Suburban 2500
Located in beautiful Wisconsin

richard5933

Also added this water jet to the clean out fitting. With only a 2" waste pipe I assume we will have clogs. At least we'll have some way to clear it up without having to open up the connection. I'm hoping that with combined gray/black the contents will stay liquid enough, but I don't want to take chances of hurt being ready.
Richard
1974 GMC P8M4108a-125 Custom Coach "Land Cruiser" (Sold)
1964 GM PD4106-2412 (Former Bus)
1994 Airstream Excella 25-ft w/ 1999 Suburban 2500
Located in beautiful Wisconsin

chessie4905

hopefully, it'll work till then.
GMC h8h 649#028 (4905)
Pennsylvania-central