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failed Donaldson Eco air filter

Started by bevans6, September 13, 2017, 10:20:26 AM

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TomC

Don't like the all in one sealed can type air cleaners. I replaced my 6" in and out with a 7" in and out when I turbo'd. The element is conical. Then I can inspect the whole air filter element. Good Luck, TomC
Tom & Donna Christman. 1985 Kenworth 40ft Super C with garage. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.

Iceni John

I consider having the ability to easily look inside the filter to check its internal condition is critically important.   I modified my intake plenum so it's now completely removable by just pulling out two pins, then it can be moved out the way so I can peer down inside the filter itself.   What prompted me to do this was a scare a few years ago when I saw some splits in the pleats, and I was worried about having possibly dusted the engine.

I use the biggest Racor ECO-BC 094973002 filter that's rated at 1450-1750 CFM (but it doesn't state at what restriction)  -  this filter shouldn't ever collapse from my engine's 1225 CFM, I hope.   Crown made a clever intake design that effectively prevents any rain from getting inside the filter, plus I also added a rain gutter to drain away any water that gets inside the plenum.   Did the damaged ECOLite filter have one of those water drain valves in the bottom of it?

John     
1990 Crown 2R-40N-552 (the Super II):  6V92TAC / DDEC II / Jake,  HT740.     Hecho en Chino.
2kW of tiltable solar.
Behind the Orange Curtain, SoCal.

luvrbus

One can always buy out of date filters at good buys just like tires and batteries,filter manufactures stamp a date on a filter for reason that is for a warranty period .The point we are missing on Evans filter is he installed it 6 years ago who knows without knowing the date on his filter it maybe 10 years old.Even oil bath air filters can cause problems if you don't stay on it with the service.I had a filter program though a Cat dealer for my equipment they came and checked the dates on my filters if they were out of date they replaced the older out of date filters fwiw    
Life is short drink the good wine first

Iceni John

Because it was no longer a stock item anywhere, Racor in Modesto CA made my filter when I ordered it.   I know it was fresh!   I would never buy one that had been sitting on a shelf for umpteen years.

John
1990 Crown 2R-40N-552 (the Super II):  6V92TAC / DDEC II / Jake,  HT740.     Hecho en Chino.
2kW of tiltable solar.
Behind the Orange Curtain, SoCal.

lvmci

So Clifford, a person can buy a filter that's been sitting on a shelf and half it's usable life is over? As opposed to the countdown starts when you purchase it, maybe we should mention it to NAPA or whoever and ask if is it half price!  lvmci...
MCI 102C3 8V92, Allison HT740
Formally MCI5A 8V71 Allison MT643
Brandon has really got it going!

luvrbus

LOL Napa does cut the price on older filters they always have a spring or fall sell on filters to rotate the old stock,here it is 1/2 price or 2 for 1 at least one time a year,then using my Napa AITA card at the sale I can save some serious bucks on filters   
Life is short drink the good wine first

bevans6

My old air filter was made in 2011, date is stamped on it.  Not sure what the expiry date is, but it failed for two reasons, both my fault and both due to the installation.  It was installed so that it pulled air from inside the engine compartment so the air was not as clean as it could be, and it got wet.  Then I didn't think to check it after it got wet.   My new installation will pull air from outside high (in the stock MCI intake location, will have multiple layers of water traps, and I will add drainage holes to the filter itself.  I note that the installation instructions for the ECO-SM has the intake on the side and output on the end, which is the way I install it so I had that correct, and the filter is supposed to be horizontal so the drain holes already installed on the cannister sides can work.  I install it vertically so I will add a few 1/4" drainage holes on the perimiter of the floor (the dirty side of the element).

Apparently all the ECO filters are one-way - either in the side and out the end or in the end and out the side, except for the ECO-Lite, which is reversible.
1980 MCI MC-5C, 8V-71T from a M-110 self propelled howitzer
Allison MT-647
Tatamagouche, Nova Scotia

luvrbus

ECO is a good filtering system glad you found the problem,I always set one up to draw from the outside
Life is short drink the good wine first

eagle19952

Quote from: Scott & Heather on September 13, 2017, 12:01:21 PM
Technomadia had this exact issue


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with a baldwin liscensed eco filter...
i think that Donaldson makes and labels for anyone who will buy enough of them.
i wouldn't use a ECO anything...
Farr of permanent  housing disposable for me.
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

bevans6

If you won't use an ECO style filter, what would you use on a custom turbo 8V71 install where there is no existing filter?  What would you custom fabricate or manufacture from scratch as an air filter/intake system?  Just curious.

Brian
1980 MCI MC-5C, 8V-71T from a M-110 self propelled howitzer
Allison MT-647
Tatamagouche, Nova Scotia

lostagain

I have been using a Donaldson Eco filter for several years now, and it has been great. I used to replace it every year because I drove lots of dirt roads and the intake near the left radiator would suck a lot of dust. I have since moved the intake high on the side just below the roof, and don't take in nearly as much dust or water.

JC
JC
Blackie AB
1977 MC5C, 6V92/HT740 (sold)
2007 Country Coach Magna, Cummins ISX (sold)

luvrbus

I have used the ECO system since 1999 never had a problem yet best filter for turbo 2 stroke you can buy IMO.I prefer the Parker/Racor ECO filter since they own patents on the filter but will use other brands and have without any problems   
Life is short drink the good wine first

j.m.jackson

To answer what would you use instead of the ECO filter, my answer would be any filter that has the media properly supported by something other than hot glue to prevent ingestion of the filter media by the engine.
1969 GMC S8M-5303 #131

eagle19952

Quote from: bevans6 on September 15, 2017, 05:39:56 AM
If you won't use an ECO style filter, what would you use on a custom turbo 8V71 install where there is no existing filter?  What would you custom fabricate or manufacture from scratch as an air filter/intake system?  Just curious.

Brian

THE ROADS in the oil patch were gravel...the gravel was silica and pumice and glacial silt. through out the patch in the dry periods clouds of dust similar to sand storms and worse when convoys of trucks .... these filters were the best. the standard caterpillar round housing with a primary and internal secondary filter worked very well too. they were all turboed engines. we rebuilt the detroits that powered huge microwave comm repeater stations for AT&T. (pipeline comm controls the primary mission) aka mission essential...POWERED BY twin turbo 8v71's never ever dusted a unit in 25 years...



every high quality name makes this filter. WE (who i worked for) stocked 1500sqft of WIX. our jobber was 4 miles away...they stocked way more :)
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

luvrbus

Eagle use the Farr system on some model 10's and S10's they weren't ever much of problem 
Life is short drink the good wine first