Whoa Boy, Air Box Drains

muldoonman · May 24, 2017, 01:34:12 PM

Early indication is blower seals leaking. Working up a bid. Told them to order parts and fix it. Will keep you posted.

Geoff · May 24, 2017, 05:26:37 PM

New message:. Mind my own business.

--Geoff

muldoonman · May 24, 2017, 07:32:16 PM

Quote from: Geoff on May 24, 2017, 05:26:37 PM
For the oil loss you are experiencing the blower seals would have to be destroyed. Your money, their game....

--Geoff

What else can I do. Take it to Joe Smo Truck Shop and Taco Place on the corner. These are High Dollar Detroit Diesel folks with a couple Bandit 2 Stroke Mechanics. Anyway, I'm loaded.

luvrbus · May 24, 2017, 07:48:46 PM

Quote from: muldoonman on May 24, 2017, 07:32:16 PM
What else can I do. Take it to Joe Smo Truck Shop and Taco Place on the corner. These are High Dollar Detroit Diesel folks with a couple Bandit 2 Stroke Mechanics. Anyway, I'm loaded.

It won't be that bad I don't think 3 to 4k besides they will only use DD parts and stand behind their parts and labor 1 year parts and 90 days on labor

Dave5Cs · May 24, 2017, 10:53:06 PM

seriously? 4 grand to replace blower seals.... Wow what has the mechanic world come too...

luvrbus · May 25, 2017, 03:09:28 AM

LOL they will just exchange the blower @1250.00 Detroit dealers haven't replaced seals or bearings in a blower for years

muldoonman · May 25, 2017, 04:41:23 AM

Thanks guys for the help in figuring this out. Geoff I need that kind of help. No worries here. Heck at the ranch I sold everything I owned was getting old and needed work. Have you ever had to call a Dozer mechanic. They're as bad as working on these buses. LOL. Thank God it was a big Komatsu instead of a Cat.

luvrbus · May 25, 2017, 05:04:28 AM

Yep the Cat and Deere shops would send a tech out to the job site with a friggin lap top for $1200 bucks I don't miss that part

Geoff · May 25, 2017, 05:22:08 AM

Okay, if you are okay with my help. I'm sorry to say this, but what did they take apart to think it is the blower seals or are they just throwing parts at it? I would think they should have pulled the air box covers off and started it to see if the oil control rings are pumping oil. Like I said before, it would have to be a massive oil leak to be the blower. What I am adding now you would have had to lose a blower bearing (s) to be the cause of that much oil loss. You would hear the blower lobes hitting each other in that case. If they don't know how to troubleshoot tell them what I said or have them call me. It would not be the first time I have helped a shop out, but many are too arrogant to admit they need help.

--Geoff
(928) 771-0045

thomasinnv · May 25, 2017, 08:18:00 AM

Geoff I hear what you are saying about shops being too arrogant to accept outside help or guidance. Last summer I sat at a ww shop for 2 days while they tried to diagnose a no start on my s60. For 2 days I kept asking "did you check the bull gear and the srs pin" the response was "that wouldn't be the problem, never seen that kind of failure" (the ddec gave a no srs code) after they replaced srs and trs sensors and replaced the ecm they finally checked the bull gear and what do you know, the srs pin had loosened and backed out enough that the sensor would not pick it up.

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eagle19952 · May 25, 2017, 10:57:53 AM

Quote from: thomasinnv on May 25, 2017, 08:18:00 AM
Geoff I hear what you are saying about shops being too arrogant to accept outside help or guidance. Last summer I sat at a ww shop for 2 days while they tried to diagnose a no start on my s60. For 2 days I kept asking "did you check the bull gear and the srs pin" the response was "that wouldn't be the problem, never seen that kind of failure" (the ddec gave a no srs code) after they replaced srs and trs sensors and replaced the ecm they finally checked the bull gear and what do you know, the srs pin had loosened and backed out enough that the sensor would not pick it up.

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so...did they bill u for the fix...or the 3 shifts of education ?

thomasinnv · May 25, 2017, 11:07:51 AM

They did knock a substantial amount of labor off the bill, and reinstalled my ecm. We were both satisfied with the end result.

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muldoonman · May 25, 2017, 03:13:35 PM

Just got quote and had a few other things done also . $5500 labor. $6500 total. Had blower off and just seal kit apparently. No rebuilt blower. included air box seals as they pulled them first to see inside liners and pistons. Who knows I'm a retired welder/cow puncher.

luvrbus · May 25, 2017, 05:49:56 PM

That is a little steep a blower seal kit with the bearings only cost $400.00 from DD then they charge you for each individual gasket. ? what is their shop rate,still beats a inframe or out of frame rebuild I guess

muldoonman · May 25, 2017, 06:43:16 PM

Quote from: luvrbus on May 25, 2017, 05:49:56 PM
That is a little steep a blower seal kit with the bearings only cost $400.00 from DD then they charge you for each individual gasket. ? what is their shop rate,still beats a inframe or out of frame rebuild I guess

Don't know about shop rate Cliff. Jr over at Krause's Bus Sales says they quit working on the motors and said they have worked with the SS mechanic that's working on my 2 stroke for many years. Gave me another independent fella down in Hondo Tx. and said he was good on them also. Just takes a while to get it back. Yeah have the bid and the parts weren't that much just the labor. Guess they don't like working on buses. I guess at $125 an hour that would be 40 hours. Long as they get it fixed before the next blow up.