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Help. Want to do a bus conversion but maybe a DP MH is smarter.

Started by MaybeABus, March 24, 2017, 12:40:08 PM

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kyle4501

An older, high end, professionally built coach will usually be better designed/ engineered.

My '87 has no slides and large water tanks. Makes it easy to overnight in parking lots.
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belfert

If you are using this coach for business purposes you may be subject to commercial requirements including DOT number, CDL for drivers, and all that.  You might want to check with your business lawyer.
Brian Elfert - 1995 Dina Viaggio 1000 Series 60/B500 - 75% done but usable - Minneapolis, MN

MaybeABus

Actually my wife already has her CDL and I am likely getting mine regardless for larger truck rentals. We are already anticipating that. Should make it easier to say NO to anyone wanting to use it too. :-)
Should I jump down another rabbit hole?

DoubleEagle

It really sounds like you have already answered your own questions and are leaning toward an existing conversion. Get something basically solid that is close to what you want, and then modify it to suit you exactly. I would drop the DP term though, that is just something RV salesmen created to describe a rear engine RV that is "bus like", but not (Newell's might be an exception).
Walter
Dayton, Ohio
1975 Silvereagle Model 05, 8V71, 4 speed Spicer
1982 Eagle Model 10, 6V92, 5 speed Spicer
1984 Eagle Model 10, 6V92 w/Jacobs, Allison HT740
1994 Eagle Model 15-45, Series 60 w/Jacobs, HT746

eagle19952

Your trailer towing want negates an rv DP'r.
Without question.
an RV salesman might disagree for obvious reasons :)
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.

wildbob24

I agree with eagle and would include most bus conversions, as well. As much as I like buses, they generally do not do well pulling heavy trailers.

If it was me, needing to pull that much trailer, I'd be looking at semi-tractor based toterhomes. They can be very nice conversions and have plenty of towing capacity, up to 40K.

Also, I think you'll find, with a corporate owned coach, you'll need a lot more than a CDL to be legal.

Bob
P8M4905A-1308, 8V71 w/V730
Custom Coach Conversion
PD4106-2546, 8V71, 4sp
Greenville, GA

Jon

Commercial use requires far more than a CDL so if you intend for that either go all the way and treat the entire rig as a commercial vehicle and comply with all the requirements, or go stealth and make certain the trailer and bus look like every other motor home on the road. No decals, no company name, no external clues about a business use.

Go here...........    https://prevostcommunity.com/sellCoaches.asp
Jon

Current coach 2006 Prevost, Liberty conversion
Knoxville, TN

sledhead

on my old 2000 featherlite the towing max is 20,000 lbs and the 550 hp cat has no problems pulling it . myself my trailer with my p/u truck on it is only 6,000 lbs and pulls it easy . that said the high end units have a large towing rating . I wanted a coach with no egr or any other pollution devices and new I would have to GUT it out and redo the inside the way I wanted it , but most of the stuff needed was all ready in there . the down side of the early 2000 rv's is they had a lot of mirrors , mirrors and mirrors and gold every where . most of them are hi-gloss formica not the wood that I like . I have been having a lot of fun redoing it my way    

dave
dave , karen
1990 mci 102c  6v92 ta ht740  kit,living room slide .... sold
2000 featherlite vogue vantare 550 hp 3406e  cat
1875 lbs torque  home base huntsville ontario canada

Oonrahnjay

Quote from: sledhead on March 25, 2017, 05:16:19 AM...  the down side of the early 2000 rv's is they had a lot of mirrors , mirrors and mirrors and gold every were . most of them are hi-gloss formica not the wood that I like . I have been having a lot of fun redoing it my way   
dave

      "Built down to a minimum dollar figure".  Yep, that' the way it works with "mass production".
Bruce H; Wallace (near Wilmington) NC
1976 Daimler (British) Double-Decker Bus; 34' long

(New Email -- brucebearnc@ (theGoogle gmail place) .com)

TomC

If I had $200K to play with, I'd look for a Blue Bird, Newell or professionally converted MCI (don't like Prevost and all the snootiness associated with them). Keep no longer than 40ft-if you go over 40ft, many states restrict you to truck routes only and you most likely will have to get a non commercial class B license to drive it. At least in California, your class C license (normal car license) allows you to drive up to a 40ft 3axle house car AND tow up to a 10,000lb trailer.
Converting you own will make it your own-but it is a very large undertaking. Many good used on the market. Good Luck, TomC
Tom & Donna Christman. 1985 Kenworth 40ft Super C with garage. '77 AMGeneral 10240B; 8V-71TATAIC V730.

lostagain

Yesterday, I wrote a reply here, then lost my internet connection, and it disappeared...

Most of what I had is mentioned here by everyone else.

But let me emphasize that a bus conversion will not pull a heavy trailer. It is the tongue weight that is too much. The rear framing of a bus is designed to support the engine and not much else. Although late model MCIs and Prevosts can take more than the older ones. Here in Canada, Greyhound pulls cargo trailers with MCIs, but they are not 15000 lbs. I would look at high end motor home pushers with a rail frame like Freightliner chassis. Or as mentioned above, a class 8 truck conversion.

JC
JC
Blackie AB
1977 MC5C, 6V92/HT740 (sold)
2007 Country Coach Magna, Cummins ISX (sold)

muldoonman

Quote from: TomC on March 25, 2017, 06:44:56 AM
If I had $200K to play with, I'd look for a Blue Bird, Newell or professionally converted MCI (don't like Prevost and all the snootiness associated with them).  Good Luck, TomC


Snootiness? We can't help it if you feel inferior.  ;D

PP


windtrader

Quote from: Jon on March 25, 2017, 04:30:02 AM
Commercial use requires far more than a CDL so if you intend for that either go all the way and treat the entire rig as a commercial vehicle and comply with all the requirements, or go stealth and make certain the trailer and bus look like every other motor home on the road. No decals, no company name, no external clues about a business use.

Go here...........    https://prevostcommunity.com/sellCoaches.asp
I'm known to take more than my share of risks but if you are using it for commercial use and you have assets at risk, I'd make very sure your insurance policy covers your actual use, not stated use, of the coach. I can't even image what a mess it would be if the bus got in a wreck pulling a 15k lb trailer between trade shows and claiming it is a personal RV. You're apt to lose everything you have.
Don F
1976 MCI/TMC MC-8 #1286
Fully converted
Bought 2017

eagle19952

Quote from: sledhead on March 25, 2017, 05:16:19 AM
on my old 2000 featherlite the towing max is 20,000 lbs and the 550 hp cat has no problems pulling it . myself my trailer with my p/u truck on it is only 6,000 lbs and pulls it easy . that said the high end units have a large towing rating . I wanted a coach with no egr or any other pollution devices and new I would have to GUT it out and redo the inside the way I wanted it , but most of the stuff needed was all ready in there . the down side of the early 2000 rv's is they had a lot of mirrors , mirrors and mirrors and gold every where . most of them are hi-gloss formica not the wood that I like . I have been having a lot of fun redoing it my way    

dave

there is always a yes but.

The rig of which you speak is not one easily found, tho I agree it is the exception and is likely exceptional. :)
Donald PH
1978 Model 05 Eagle w/Torsilastic Suspension,8V71 N, DD, Allison on 24.5's 12kw Kubota.