installing a remote oil filter on a 2000 4060 allison

[sledhead]

hi guys
is it worth it to put a remote oil filter on this transmission both for ease of change and what miles should the fluid , filters be changed ( internal filters )

why I ask is on the mci I changed the 2 external trans filters ( on the ht740 ) every year and would like to do the same on the featherlite

thanks   dave

[luvrbus]

hi guys
is it worth it to put a remote oil filter on this transmission both for ease of change and what miles should the fluid , filters be changed ( internal filters )

why I ask is on the mci I changed the 2 external trans filters ( on the ht740 ) every year and would like to do the same on the featherlite

thanks   dave

Not really the the 4060 uses the synthetic oil and were designed to work with the filter or filters on the transmission for the life of the fluid,some change the filters between fluid changes but you lose 3 gals of fluid anyways so I just change the fluid too. The 740 was external filters only.
The newer B500 in the MCI's have a friggn 150,000 mile oil change and filter change at 75,000 miles it is nasty looking at 75,000 miles too,even with a remote filter you have to change the internal filters 
 

[TomC]

The 3000 and 4000 series (B300, 400, 500) both are the newer World transmission with the twin oil filters built into the oil pan-no way to plumb in remote oil filter. The 1000 and 2000 series (too small for buses) have a built in external oil filter that can be remote mounted. All older transmissions had remote oil filters. I changed mine to spin on and have been very pleased about the change. Especially the engine oil filter-mounted it right inside the right engine access door. Good Luck, TomC

[luvrbus]

TomC you can use a remote mount filter on the World Transmission but it is strictly a auxiliary filter 

[sledhead]

ok
how can I tell if its dexron 3 or synthetic as in all my info that came with the rv it asks for dexron 3 and there was 2 quarts of dex. 3 in the bay with all the spare parts that came with it   
is there a colour difference between the 2 of them or a simple way to tell ?

thanks   dave

[belfert]

Everybody I talk to about the World transmissions says to use Transynd or TES 295 fluid.  I use a Mobil ATF that is TES 295 from my local Freightliner dealer.  A five gallon bucket is cheaper than Transynd.  You probably have a Dexron fluid of some sort in there now and you can't go to the longer change intervals until you change with TES 295 fluid twice.

Be very careful changing the filters.  You must use a torque wrench to tighten the bolts or the threads in the body strip.  I stripped one even with a torque wrench.  I found that a shop charges about $800 to fix the threads right so they won't strip in the future.  I can't remember exactly how I fixed mine, but I didn't take it to a shop.

[luvrbus]

ok
how can I tell if its dexron 3 or synthetic as in all my info that came with the rv it asks for dexron 3 and there was 2 quarts of dex. 3 in the bay with all the spare parts that came with it   
is there a colour difference between the 2 of them or a simple way to tell ?

thanks   dave

They are the same color and you can use Dexron in the World Transmission they did for years how you tell them apart I have no idea

[sledhead]

so is this a good idea ! change the filters and top up with synthetic oil and is this the right filter kit

  http://www.unitedfleetparts.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=29548988&Category_Code=allison_transmission_parts

thanks   dave

[Utahclaimjumper]

  The suggestion is to use a piece of RED electrical wire twisted on the dipstick to mark the existants of Transynd,,,as I have done.>>>Dan

[brmax]

If its under warranty then its probably best to use what they say, when out of warranty its "in my opinion" ok to use any specification rated fluid, oil, lube whatever.
So in a respectful way; First we all and for sure includes myself need to remember some super technalectalon fluid aint fixing an issue that really needs addressed in a rebuild way.
Nothing at all wrong with changing filters, this timed change is in the charts and is available from someone showing some miles/hours and these types of changes.
I cannot recall what difference some of the filters made but some numbers were updated so maybe more than an o-ring color. I honestly would just get my model no. and serial to use if I didn't have the filters out already with possible numbers on them.
Its probably best in a whole nuther discussion with compatible and or backward compatible oils in these transmissions, but will say Clark Allison were part of Detroit, GM in some years so these wrinkles are tough getting ironed. I have heard the license in the dexron fluid mfg is or has been long ago lapsed, and so in my opinion they all can make a fluid that will work its our job to trust our gut.

good day
Floyd

for some tips 
http://www.discoveryowners.com/hintsandtips/allisonmaintenance.pdf

[belfert]

There are plenty of fluids that can be used in a World transmission.  The advantage of Transynd/TES-295 fluid is much longer change intervals.  Non TES-295 fluid is supposed to be changed every 12 months while TES-295 fluid can go four years.  The strange thing is the filters are supposed to changed at 3 years so it seems like the fluid should be changed then.

Someone I trust very much said the B500 transmission will last much longer if fluid and filter are changed per schedule.  He said the reason a lot only last 400,000 miles is because operators are too cheap to change fluid and filters regularly.  I am right around the 400,000 mile mark so I will change my fluid and filter regularly to avoid a replacement B500.  I am a year overdue and will do it next spring/summer.

[Scott & Heather]

Floyd, someday I have to meet you. I really like your Internet forum personality and your amazing bus restoration skills, but I just can't decipher some of your posts. I read them and read them again and I'm lost. You are way too smart for me. What transmission is in your coach?


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[brmax]

Hey thanks Scott, ( big hand shake, with hand on your shoulder, afterward turn around and a big thumbs up ).

I should at least now days write in blocks with only 150 characters, and
an editor 4me? that would be an excellent choice for my post if they would pay me

Smart, me? of course just as many mechanics here, myself retired now and consider sometimes if I should wish for a big building.

Sometimes the wording to answer a question needs to support the future when your not available to inspect and yet be responsible for, this is sometimes difficult. sorry

A valid question I was taught by a great guy in one of my annual evaluations, just one of the Bosses I had through the years and an Engineer. ( how do you be responsible, as its your equipment responsibility in describing to someone else that's away from your area, methods to repair and or validate a step to do such.) answer safety first!

movin on
I haven't a clue why but every Jr. in that Engineer status was at my buildings when they could just to be around something mechanical and take apart and help rebuild.

Anyway on the MC9 coach here I have, the tag shows HT740.

have a great weekend
Floyd

[buswarrior]

With a retarder?

Synthetic will hold together to higher temps.

A lot of the fleet B500R failures were attributed to fluid break down due to extreme heat in those coaches that couldn't adequately shed retarder heat when in the hands of hired drivers who didn't shift down on downhill mountain passes, and just burned the retarder all the way down in top gear...

In the hands of a caring and knowledgeable busnut, who knows how to shed heat, not nearly the same issue.

choose the juice that makes you feel good?

happy coaching!
buswarrior

[luvrbus]

  The suggestion is to use a piece of RED electrical wire twisted on the dipstick to mark the existants of Transynd,,,as I have done.>>>Dan

You told me you used Amsoil