Pellet stove/wood burning stove

[Scott & Heather]

I have no words for that photo....no words at all.


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[Jim Eh.]

I have one ... soprano!

[Oonrahnjay]

I have no words for that photo....no words at all.   

     I would guess it's a joke photo.  I would also guess the guy is an idiot, but not THAT BIG of an idiot.

[DMoedave]

I see local paper articles every fall about local municipalities trying to get ordenances or laws passed banning wood stoves. This is the NE Pa NewYork and CT area.

[unforgettablefire]

DMoeDave,

I find it highly frustrating that we manufacturers have to spend tens of thousands of dollars to abide by gubmint regulations just to have a group of highly uneducated and emotionally charged "experts at everything" go and try on a regional level to ban things they simply do not understand. This is a serious issue in the country and needs to be fought at every level. Have you noticed your rights being taken step by step until there is nothing left?? I am sure that in one way or another we are all jailable just on the tax code alone.

The reality is that just one fracking well fire or pipeline explosion is far worse on the environment that all of the wood stoves in the country burning all at once....probably even burning wet wood and puking up smoke.  I quite often receive hate mail as an inventor/manufacturer from what I like to refer to as "rabid greenies" who will sue the EPA in order to choke out manufacturing jobs even though doing this will not serve the environment. Those jobs then are sent over seas where environmental and labor fairness have little meaning.

It is my contention that poor people (which I have had a taste of, still struggle daily to make ends sorta meet) are by design hard on the environment. You see poor folks struggling to make a car payment and have insurance are far less likely to do routine maintenance like tune ups. If a poor person owns a home they are not likely to improve the insulation value, these things are hard on the environment. The answer lies on not creating more people struggling just to feed their families.

While I agree that in days past old junker wood burners were capable of belching out well above 80 grams of carcinogenic particulate emission (imagine dumping asbestos dust into the fresh air intake for a school, right) today's stoves can not emit more than 4.5 grams. Our stoves run at 3.2 for Kimberly and 1.9 for Katydid. Waht this means is that you RARELY see visible smoke. Visible smoke equals wasted trees.

I'll dare to wager that the same (sorry) morons looking to ban wood stoves also use airplanes to travel from protest to protest and all of them drive cars, the hypocrisy here is unbelievable. The domestic aviation industry consumes 261 million gallons of jet fuel per day and no amount of wood burning could ever compare to the big picture of drilling, spilling, transporting, distillation and consumption.

My advice to those of you who understand this issue and do not wish to see your right to heat your home CLEANLY with wood (along with your other rights and your jobs) get really angry and do something about it. Any moron that wants to be a squeaky (uneducated) wheel can accomplish allot when others are apathetic toward their agenda. America needs to temper this and make moves that are healthy in the big picture

[luvrbus]

Non of it makes sense,we had a power plant here they said was polluting 3 years ago they tore it down and sold it to some Mexican out fit now our power has bill doubled.
They moved the power plant just south across the border and now are selling us electricity. Here is what pisses you the wind blows from the south here in the summer time all summer long you go out some morning now and see the ash on your car hood that never happen when the plant was located here.
You ask one of the nut cases here in charge all they can come up with is "we have no control over pollution from Mexico" if they have no control they should not have sold them a plant they said polluted here and allowed it to be set up on the border you would think. You have crazy people running the EPA and air quality boards in each state now     

[sledhead]

there are way to many dumb laws now ....
I built a new hi tech house and decided to PUSH THE EASY BUTTON and not use wood heat , well that lasted 3 years then I installed a very small hi efficient wood stove and I could not be happier . we missed the wood heat and the fact that if the power or the propane goes out we can still have heat and cook and boil water with out the generator running   

dave

[kyle4501]

While I would not use wood heat in a motor home - too much inertia to the thermal mass, difficulties in containing the thermal mass (coals) if in a collision - or during normal driving. 

However, we do enjoy our Vermont Castings Encore non catalytic wood stove. (2.7 grams)
My neighbors have asked why I don't use it - and it is burning away. All are surprised that it doesn't smoke.
Well, I can make it smoke, but I prefer to burn it clean - less creosote buildup that way.

However, when lots of people damper down their wood stoves & smoke up the neighborhood - - - it is easy to see where people can come to the wrong conclusion.

The funny thing is that burning wood releases the same energy and gasses as if left to rot - just burning is lots faster.

[unforgettablefire]

Lots of good points here, I'd like to answer Kyle.....we have folks who drive their motor home up in Alaska while burning their Kimberly, and at speeds of up to 70 MPH. Why the heck would one do this I asked?? The answer is that at 40 plus below the defroster is not strong enough to keep your breath from freezing on the wind shield.....I remember weather that cold from growing up off of lake Erie. Really it is quite safe. I am glad to hear that you understand how clean wood burning can be.....the Vermont Castings non catalytic equipment does a good job of burning smokelessly......this is what we need. The bit about rotting wood is an important one I have commented on before. Rotting wood creates methane gas which is a known ozone depletion issue where as that wood burned releases carbon dioxide which trees breathe in and then they exhale oxygen.
Another thing that just kills me (speaking of power plants , a good example of STUPID) is the move to ban coal fired plants and upgrade them to gas.....supported by the ultra green folks and of course the folks who sell gas, and paid for by the consumer. What happened is the coal we used to use is now sold to the highest bidder in China where it is burned at 14 to 18% efficiency. The smog in turn comes right back to America and the rich get richer through being totally dishonest and the ultra greenies back them. This is why we need to really take time to study the long term effects of major decision making. Either way I suggest that burning wood is a natural and clean (as well as safe) way to heat your small home on wheels

[kyle4501]

I have 3 gas, 4 electric, and 3 engine heaters - If it is too cold for those to keep up, I need to be somewhere else where I won't need them all. 

I'm not saying wood heat isn't safe in a moving vehicle. I am saying that with my experience & understanding, I am more comfortable with other methods for heat.

The great thing about this hobby is the freedom to do as you like - and the information available to help decide.

[unforgettablefire]

of course Kyle, wood heat is not for everybody, no argument there. We are just here to help those who see the benefit of what is a lifestyle.

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

Roger,

Last night on 60 Minutes, there was a segment on ISIS potentially attacking the U.S. They said it is "highly likely" ISIS will try to attack the U.S. sometime this year.  He said there is a potential for them to take down our internet, electrical grid, trains, highways and even shut down our oil pipelines which transport oil and gas across the U.S.  

If this happens, will Kimberly and Katydid still heat our buses if we can't get to fuel or if fuel can't get to us?  I am not a Doomsday Prepper, but I do wonder what I will do if/when something does happen beyond our control living so close to a large city.  I keep my bus fueled up at all times and stocked with the basics; food, beer and Jack Daniels, so I know I can at least get out of Dodge and survive for a while if everything all of a sudden goes to hell in a handbasket.  

I have a Log Cabin bus (which is for sale now) which can be seen at http://www.BusConversions.com/Gary/GHMC9.pdf but I figure in a disaster, I can start tearing my bus apart from the inside out and heat my bus for a few months until things calm down.

I also plan to go out and buy a few chickens and a pig this week so I will also have fresh food on hand. Oh, one more thing, do you have a rotisserie attachment for your stoves available yet as I didn't see one listed on your website www.unforgettablefirellc.com.  But this could possibly save my bacon (no pun intended).  

[luvrbus]

Where I live heat is not the problem 

[Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM]

Roger,

Do you have your Air Conditioner attachment prototype finished and ready for production yet?  Cliff may need one for his bus as he is a Southerner.  I figure he can set up Kimberly in his bus along with your Air Conditioner attachment next too it to keep his bus cool.  You have every other possible attachment, so I figure it is only a matter of time before you have an A/C attachment as well.

Sure would be nice for folks to be able to cool off their bus using wood, generate electricity to charge their house batteries, cook a loaf of bread in your Dutch Oven, and fry bacon and eggs and take a hot shower all at the same time.

Just thinkin' out loud.

Gary

[DMoedave]

Roger, I agree all the way.Every day we get bombarded with political ads/infomercials of how great King
Coumo is and how he is bringing jobs back to NYstate. Bull! They give 10 year tax breaks and then they take off to less restrictive states or countries anyway. They just gave a tax break to a self storage company!!! How many jobs is that?

We have a small farm in Pa about 4 hours out of NY and  things seem so much more realistic there but changes are coming. A lot of the homes ours included still burn wood and coal and now the big push to outlaw the coal plants will of course trickle on down our backs. Local laws are being passed outlawing the wood burning boilers. Hell we could go on and on forever. Clifford how about Mexico buying our worthless" diesel trains that are still running strong. When I was a kid to this day older quality  American built const equip and trucks were and are being exported.

I know folks that wont run into Ca because of the laws. NY is right behind. They cant even enforce old but pass new every time something BAD happens.  The nanny "you don't need a hunting rifle" cry is rampant in southern NY LongIsland area and now they want to ban bow hunting here as well. But over 300 deer strikeson Long Island alone! their soulotion is too erect signs with the # of deer killed in that location. We don't have and cant get a friggin rest area on Long Island for petes sake! Its a no pee zone lol. oh boy rant over for now. Jeez sorry its cold here and I haven't had much sleep