Another Bubble Popped

[luvrbus]

I have a friend in WW Williams shop today in Phoenix when he called that has always despised the 2 stroke engine said he could never get one to run over 150,000 miles.

He is crying today like a baby his 2006 Prevost blew the 60 series 14L engine yesterday with 79,810 miles and Williams estimate is $18,500.00 to repair it is sad but it happens to all engines lol I bet he don't get out for $18,500 either   

[Dawgs]

Wowser!!  Maybe i don't want to do a 4 stroke transplant down the road.

[Oonrahnjay]

Wowser!!  Maybe i don't want to do a 4 stroke transplant down the road.

     We're all rolling dice for high stakes.  My bets are going to be on "modern" 4-strokes.

[moosemanusa]

thats scary.. the 60 is in most semi's and usually lives for a long time..

But the 50 I manage is a dog at 37k..

[Lee Bradley]

Some drivers are just hard on equipment.

[luvrbus]

They all give problems I have close friends that work for Williams,Volvo and Cummins in Phoenix they run 2 shifts ea and have a back log of a week or more those shops are always full  

[Scott & Heather]

Sometimes I wonder if we should have just stuck with what we had back in the day. It was pretty reliable:


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[Detroitenginespecialist]

Hey guys

My name is Brian from American Fleet Inc in Springfield Missouri.  We are a Detroit Diesel engine re-manufacture.  We can beat that price all day.  And we can have the engine ready three days from the time he orders. Our warranties start out a 1yr/100,000 mile and go up from there.


If you could pass my info along to your friend I would appreciate it.   

[luvrbus]

I would pass it on but he stays with Williams they are already removing his engine

[Detroitenginespecialist]

Are they installing it for that price as well?

[belfert]

Shops being full and running two shifts doesn't necessarily mean diesel engines are unreliable.  Car dealerships are full most of the time too.  Better to be busy then to have guys standing around.  In any business generally only enough locations will open to service the available business.  Diesel shops often run a 2nd shift because trucking companies want things fixed immediately as they lose money when a truck sits.

I have heard of a lot of converted Prevost buses with rebuilt Series 60 engines.  I suspect that is due to them sitting much of the time.

[chessie4905]

   Sounds to me that the problem could be the driver......just sayin. How many of our coaches have two strokes that have been rebuilt several times, poorly and/ or with many items just worn out? How many with engine problems from pushing up a grade while overheating, but almost to top, how many full throttle it at 1500 rpms or below for extended miles, esp with bigger injectors? How many don't do routine preventive maintenance on them till the hot or low oil light comes on? And many other issues.

[luvrbus]

I can assure you Belfert Cummins and Williams are not replacing a blown fuse for some old lady like at a car dealership 

[Lin]

I don't understand.  Every ad I see selling a diesel conversion says the engine will go a million miles!!! Does that include towing?

[Jon]

Two comments.........American Fleet has had nothing but praise from Prevost owners who have used their services. I understand the distance might be an issue but if the logistics allow I will use them before almost anyone else on my Detroit.

From what I can tell in the photo of the coach it looks like a 10 or 11 year old Liberty conversion. Perhaps Cliff can verify this. My point is in that length of time something as simple as failing to service the coolant will trash a perfectly good engine. Absent from the discussion is the engine service history. But even with perfect maintenance bad stuff sometimes happens.