the future of two stroke

[luvrbus]

Why I just forward the mail 1000's have the same service though other markets that use a PO Box or a fiscal address  AZ does not care or think it is illegal here one can have AZ plates without a AZ drivers license and they don't have to live in the state which is better 900 bucks a year for CA plates or 55 bucks for 3 years in AZ for plates, how CA looks at it makes me no difference I don't live there AZ law applies to me not CA law lol you drive to Needles CA 2/3 of the plates there are AZ plates and no one pays any attention

[Dave5Cs]

So you are charging for this service then , LOL Mail Fraud is Federal not State, LOL

[Lin]

The problem is that you guys are talking about two different Californias.  One has great diversity and magnificent landscapes, the other has a ridiculously intrusive bureaucracy.  So, liking it depends on which one you live in.  We live in the good one.  Sometimes, there are issues that force us to visit the other one, but we make sure to get home as soon as possible.

[Dave5Cs]

Up here as we say," we can drive around the Capital but we don't have to go in."

[HB of CJ]

Years ago, (it is probably worserer now) I nearly purchased a Detroit Diesel 1984 Crown Supercoach bus in Sacramento ONLY because if I did not, it would have been parted out and the aluminium body crushed for scrap.  It had been a CHP certified inspected school bus hauling kids only 2 weeks before.  Excellent condition.

Nobody living in CA could license that bus.  Smog laws.  Living in OR I could buy that bus and with a "Get out of Dodge By Sundown trip permit" drive it out of state, never to be registered in CA again.  Quite silly.  I for one got out of Kommiefornia way back in 1987. Political refugee.  Way off topic.  Sorry for the rant.  HB of CJ (old coot)

More.  When we visited family in Bakersfield, first we had to strip search our persons, clothing and car before driving down.  So many things we own and use daily up here in the Oregon Republic will get you 3 to 5 with Bubba and his boy friends.  A very long list.  I for one find it curious some people like it in KA.  PEM me if 'ya wanna' for that list.

[Lin]

Please elaborate on those things that are legal in OR but not in CA.

[Iceni John]

Please elaborate on those things that are legal in OR but not in CA.

Medflys?   2-stroke Detroits?

[TomC]

No matter what bus you have, you can change the engine to a smog certified engine. Any of the new engines will fit on an inline T drive line. On a V drive, especially with the V730 or V731, there is a reverser gear that will allow you to run a Cummins ISL up to 450hp and 1250lb/ft torque. Granted it probably would cost in the $50-70,000 range to change, but it is still cheaper then buying a new bus. And strange as it sounds, the new engines using DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) are also getting the best fuel mileage ever! So you have your cake and eat it to-cleanest engines ever made, best fuel economy ever made. But until I'm forced to do it, I'll keep with my mechanical 8V-71T and Caterpillar 3406B. Good Luck, TomC

[HB of CJ]

Lin; I do not want to further hijack this excellent thread.  My rant was bad enough and I am sorry.  PEM me if you want to.  Thanks.  HB of CJ (old coot)

[wg4t50]

TomC,
Your correct on the DEF, Cummins can take the ISX to 800 hp, keep within the EPA, problem, transmissions, auto or stick.
They are running the ISX 800 in Austrailia I am told, on the road trains. No idea of gear box etc.
Dave M

[lvmci]

Hi All, my original thread was about the future of 2 strokes, I think we can feel safe now as a registered RV, that laws for commercial might not affect us, for awhile, thanks for all the input, California has always lead the way in laws that break the status quo,  for the health and welfare of its citizens. whereas Nevada could give a  @#$& less creating laws to protect citizens, as a priority before business,  read mining & casinos, I feel comfortable puting more money into the old 8V71 tto give me 45 more horsepower to climb Mountain Pass, Baker grade and Cajon Pass, faster that 27 mph towing the jeep. I sometimes work for a production company that has many diesiel and gas trucks, for transporting stage equipment, here in LV, we dont have higher average licensing for vehicles here and this a company started in LV  but all the trucks have midwest plates on them! Cant figure that one out, Thanks for all the contributions, lvmci...

[TomC]

Eaton makes an 18spd Ultrashift up to 2,250lb/ft torque-of which I think would cover the 800hp-they can also program the computer to a torque limit.

LVMCI-I turbo'd and air to air intercooled my 8V-71. What was added were the bigger injectors-going from N65 to 7G75, changing the blower to a bypass blower (it is a valve in the end plate that allows a portion of the boosted air intake to go around the blower effectively making the pressure the same on both sides lowering the power consumption of the blower during turbo boost times), adding fuel modulator that keeps the injectors from opening until boost is created (cuts down on black smoke [otherwise you'll look like a locomotive with tremendous black everytime you start out]), enlarged radiator, added air to air intercooler, enlarged air cleaner and air intake, changed the muffler to a turbo muffler. But what a difference in performance! I used to pull Cajon with my car like you at 28mph. Now can do it at 1800rpm in second at 42mph-makes a big difference especially on the rolling hills. Now going between L.A. and Vegas, the only hills I down shift on are Cajon and Baker grade. All others will power over without down shifting. I get the same mileage, but the performance and lack of black smoke at altitude is worth it. Good Luck, TomC

[luvrbus]

Probably have OK plates on the trailers Tom, OK charges 5 bucks for a life time plate on a trailer where other states come for money every year 10,000 trailers like the big boys Swift,WalMart and others ea have 5 bucks vs 200+ bucks the green OK tags look good and not illegal lol  

Back on track here you are not going to be able to add much HP to your 71 with the 600 series Allison more power you are going to be looking at 6v92 and a 740 IMO

[TomC]

California uses permanent trailer registration also-pay once and that's it. Good Luck, TomC

[luvrbus]

Not for 5 bucks lol and check out the CA fees for the tractor