Waste Motor Oil for fuel.

[wal1809]

Johned your one step away from being a "blender want to be".   Come on over to the dark side my friend.  I like to call it an alternative fuel style .

[artvonne]

  Im curious why they arent blending in Kerosene rather than Gasoline/RUG. RUG almost always has some ethanol and all kinds of unknown chemicals the EPA is sure we need, MTBE being one. Kerosene would thin it out without losing so much lubricity, and without making it quite volatile.

[happycamperbrat]

Has anyone heard of blending wmo with wvo, filtering and/or cf, then running them?

[Paso One]

  Im curious why they arent blending in Kerosene rather than Gasoline/RUG. RUG almost always has some ethanol and all kinds of unknown chemicals the EPA is sure we need, MTBE being one. Kerosene would thin it out without losing so much lubricity, and without making it quite volatile.

In my case I have used kerosene yes it works great but it is so close to diesel you may as well pay for diesel

Teresa mixing WVO and WMO you get dirty sludge   never tried it but many have said that is the end result.

[Oonrahnjay]

In my case I have used kerosene yes it works great but it is so close to diesel you may as well pay for diesel  

RUG isn't?? 

[JohnEd]

Johned your one step away from being a "blender want to be".   Come on over to the dark side my friend.  I like to call it an alternative fuel style .

I am one step away from soooo many things.  Blender is just one.  I was really close....wannabee...to getting my CCP for Utah.  After today I am not a wannabeeee any more.  One down and a gazillion to go.

Have fun wal,

John

[JohnEd]

Has anyone heard of blending wmo with wvo, filtering and/or cf, then running them?

Doug answered your question over on wastewatts.

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Do NOT mix Waste Veggie Oil (WVO) and waste motor oil (WMO). it turns to lard in your fuel lines.


veggie oil needs to be heated up. what they are really doing is using the heater circuit to heat up some veggie oil and run it into your engine.

you need two tanks with veggie oil - one with diesel to start the engine up and shut it down with, and the other with veggie oil you use when you are driving around with.


When you use WMO, we mix it 15 percent gasoline, and call it W85. With this system, one tank, no heating, and you can mix with diesel in any ratio.



WMO and WVO both have the same problem....both are too thick to use as fuel as they are.  Mixing them together just gets you VERY filthy thick stuff.  The blenders are "cleaning" the WMO by adding the RUG and settling. I need to understand more about this.  There are so many variables I think that no absolute answer is to be had.  Engine fuel pumps, electronic vs MUI and what else I don't know.  Some here feel that the modern ATF will not work in our engines as they did in the past due to advances in chem additives but they seem silent on the current threads.  WMO blending just seems like such a totally "wrong" idea to me and others.  BUT those folks are pulling it off over there in Boise and from what I read in the forums they are far from being alone.  Very old generation engines?  Don't know.  Please don't think I am anything but an advocate for researching the practice and concluding it validity.

This came up in the past on this board and the consensus then was ...LUNACY....

[happycamperbrat]

wvo and wmo blending create sludge....... okay. What if they are heated, a little rug added, settled, dewatered and filtered with magnets..... has anyone tried this in the forums you are in?

[wal1809]

Morning T.  Take a Mason Jar and mix the ingredients and let it sit for a day or two.  See what happens.  Put in the fridge and make mental notes. Then take the lid off and set it out in the sun  to warm it up.  I have so answers to the questions you pose.  I am a "way out of the box" thinker, but wmo/wvo/rug mix is so far out there.  I am certainly not apposed to it, I would just have to research, test myself.

Most of us, I am assuming, have DD engines which require a low ash sump oil.  So an issue I see that must be talked about is what oil are we going to use in the fuel tank.  Again an assumption on my part is when collecting used motor oil, one would be getting a mixture of many different oils.  So when that tank oil hits the cylinder and goes bang, what will happen to the ash in the oil?  Will RUG thin it enough and burn it enough to get the ash out the tailpipe?

This is another one of those issues that could create a slow death.  Is it like cold wvo where you put it in and all works well and then one day we need an inframe rebuild because the rings and cylinder sleeves are toasted.

[JohnEd]

This is a good place to start in your quest for those that are into all sorts of alternate fuels:

http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/forums

[happycamperbrat]

Ok, Im gonna search around. Im not set up to filter wvo and do my own experimentation with it yet. So far Ive only used the biodiesel my brother makes, and getting used oil is illegal in ca...... but Im still wanting to get set up for when out of state and such.

[JohnEd]

With all the reading and visiting sites and talking to people I have come to some conclusions and maybe a solution.


CONCLUSIONS TO DATE:

WMO won't work in a DD two stroke as a fuel because of ash contamination/build up.

WMO settled and blended with RUG is a viable fuel for smaller D industrial engine and cars and trucks.  Perhaps direct and indirect injection plays a role.

Those in the RV/bus arena have closed their ears to the viability of the Blend due to it's unsuitability in only one application.  It may be that the blend is fully compatible with their toad power plant or their generator or house backup generator.  Just for a moment consider the game changer of free fuel for the generator would have on the decision to invest in solar cells or wind generators or even camp ground selection?  Free generator fuel?  And we missed that savings cause the fuel isn't compatible with a 2 stroke? 

While there is o standardization of the content of WMO I think you can approximate what might get in there.  Here again, consider your source.  Mixing in 20% RUG causes a huge particulate fall out.  I have no idea what chemicals are left by either the RUG or WMO.  I think that info needs to be gotten hold of so a valid decision can be made on the facts.  And one of those facts seems to be that the WMO blend works just fine in Small D engines for a moderate length of time....say 40K miles or so based on anecdotal evidence that isn't sufficient to bet the genny let alone the main power plant.  But its getting closer.

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Simple solution here is to send off a sample of settled WMO blend.  I will pay for the blend analysis my self if only to satisfy my own curiosity and contribute to the data on the subject.  I will post the outcome/results.  Pics as well if I can figure out the new Nikon D3100.  That is iffy cause I have already concluded that camera is smarter than I will ever be again.

I would like to see and publish pics of the engine internals, air box pistons and chamber, for an engine in good condition that will be modified to run heated WVO.  I would like to do the same for the same engine after a thousand or so miles.  Any pics of any engine that has the air box opened that is running WVO would be very useful.

I will try to get WMO Blended, settled and filtered fuel analyzed and get an analysis of the crankcase  oil tested to determine "ash" and other content buildup.

Sound like a deal?

John

[happycamperbrat]

I would volunteer my engine for the experiment and photos on WVO although Im still trying to figure out the purpose? There is only so much wvo to go around anyway.. The wmo Im still not so sure about..... but are you going to take it apart to do photos and put it back together again? Are you going to supply me with an endless amount of vo for doing this lol

[dougyes]

What is RUG?

[happycamperbrat]

regular unleaded gas= rug