$4.00 a Gallon Diesel

[luvrbus]

Guy's just got off the phone with a diesel fuel futures seller he told me fuel will be 4 bucks + a gallon before Dec.
Sun Oil has shutdown the refinery in NJ and has the one in Tulsa for sale and it is off line and Valero has closed 1 in Delaware along with Chevron cutting production fuel is going up.
I hate to make a few bucks this way but someone has to do it so I bought some fuel and propane today for future sale better keep the buses full.
I hope he is wrong but not too wrong lol  


good luck

[cody]

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[luvrbus]

Another thing I found out Cody is the EPA is lowering the sulfur contents on off road fuel to 15 ppm from 500 I believe they are heading for a tax on all fuel as they don't require the dyeing of off road fuel after July. 

good luck

[HighTechRedneck]

I know gasoline here has been shooting up pretty fast the last few days.

I think it is reasonable to believe that the fuel prices of 2008 played a major role, perhaps even triggered the recession the US, and much of the world, is still reeling from.  As working people had to divert more of their funds to fuel, (transportation and heating), they had less disposable income and in many cases more trouble paying their mortgage.  Manufacturers were faced with higher costs at the same time that consumers had less to spend.

Now that the economy is already bouncing on the bottom and gasping for air, any doubts on what impact skyrocketing fuel prices will have now?

Maybe those poor impoverished oil refiners are hoping the govt. will bail them out.

[cody]

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[Dreamscape]

Oh well, we can't go anywhere anyway except for short trips. Guess that will have to do! 

[Jeremy]

There was a piece on the TV here yesterday about fuel prices going up fast this year - £1.20 per litre by Easter and £1.25 by the summer. The way it was explained was that it was almost entirely due to the consequences of complicated financial fluctuations in the economy - put simply, exchange rate & taxation changes that are a direct result of the bank bail-out. The guy explaining it was trying very hard to make clear how the cost of the oil itself only makes a comparatively small contribution to the cost of the fuel at a petrol station (or 'taxation stations' as he called them). At a price of £1.20 a litre, £0.80 is duty apparently.

If it helps, £1.20 a litre is the equivalent of about $7.00 per gallon, and that includes converting to the smaller US gallons

Jeremy

[Barn Owl]

$7 a gallon would end a lot of RV traveling here in the states. If you are dealing with that now, then what happens when it does go up like predicted? Jeremy, put your family and bus on a boat and get over here so you can at least go 2x as far on your money. How can people happily live under the huge tax burdens and high cost of living that so many in Europe deal with? Unfortunately, I think we are going to find out sooner than we want to (minus the happy part). We are watching our out of control government ram itself down our unwilling throats. My ancestors came here to be free of that, but many here now have forgotten their roots and have become lazy. I didn't want to make this a political rant, I do love my European brothers. Jeremy, you demonstrate the free spirit I admire. Just the fact that you are doing a bus conversion over there where they don't make it an easy thing to do makes you a true pioneer. You would fit in well in my neighborhood.

[cody]

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[Barn Owl]

I had other ancestors already here waiting to tie up the boat when they landed lol.

That's funny.... I have some of that also, but thankfully I don't live in a tent today. So I know whose ideas prevailed.

[HighTechRedneck]

Some of my ancestors came here for the same reason, luckily, I had other ancestors already here waiting to tie up the boat when they landed lol.

Good thing it was the boat that got tied up rather than one or the other set of ancestors.   

[cody]

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[Jeremy]

Thanks for the kind words Barnowl.

There are many countries in Europe with higher fuel prices, and much higher taxation generally, than the UK - but comparing countries just in terms of their taxes is of course pointless - disposable income is the only measure that matters. Countries that have high taxes inevitably also have equally high incomes, and of course much of that tax revenue is effectively returned to the population anyway, in the form of 'free' services (healthcare, child benefits, pensions, or whatever).

Personally if I were to 'put my bus on a boat' it would probably be to Sweden - incredibly high taxes, fantastic standard of living, extremely low crime rates and with a population which consistently come top in 'happiness' surveys and bottom in 'mental health problems' surveys. Unfortunately (or perhaps significantly) they have extremely tight immigration rules.

Jeremy

[Len Silva]

On the other hand, the entire UK is about 2/3 the size of Texas.  3000 mile cross country trips just don't happen there.  We think nothing of driving from Florida to New England to visit family once or twice a year.

[RickB]

Clifford,

I watched a show on how accurate the "guesses" of the commodities futures speculators were in the last run up of fuel.

They sheepishly had to admit that, prediction after prediction, they were dead wrong over 90% of the time. Man, I want that job. I'm torn between that and weather forecasting either way you get paid big bucks tio be wrong a majority of the time!
Of course that didn't prevent their doomsday, worst possible case scenarios (which were all part of the plan to run up the price in the first place) from driving oil up to $4 a barrel.

I wouldn't bank a penny on the guesses of those folks, heck they make more money if the price goes up so if their reasonably optimistic about their own future on the planet they have to bank on the fact that everything that can go wrong will go wrong in a perfect sequence.

I really hate the fact that people make so much money out of scaring the crap out of people.

There was no factual basis for the last run up and there won't be for the next one either. A commodities speculators real worst fear is that someday we might actually figure out the sky isn't falling.

Rick