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After Market Cruise Control

Started by chuckd, March 07, 2010, 02:51:32 PM

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RTS/Daytona

I found the OEM Installation instructions for setting the dip switches - VERY CONFUSING

and The original support person at Rostra (difficult to deal with  - especially when I said I was an Engineer)

So after many trails and errors and lots of phone calls - I got one of there engineers to FULLY explain the dip switch settings

I have written my OWN set of instructions - that works VERY well for Buses -

The current support team at Rostra is much inproved - The anti-engineer guy has finally retired

The tricks are:
. Have the correct amount of slack in the cable that pulls the throttle (1/8") - too loose cause lag and lost speed on initial set
. If you have a Unusually hard throttle (over 25 lbs of force is required at the cable pull point) - install an assist spring
 (Throttle pedals that require over 25 lbs at the cable pull - MOST drivers would find EXTREMELY UNCONFORTABLE and Fatiguing during NORMAL driving)
. The Rostra Global differs from earlier versions - switch 1&2 and 7-9  let you adjust the RATE of control response and The timing of the control response)

Yes guys I have a horse in this race (I sell discounted Rostra for Buses)  - but The cost difference is HUGE - The KING IS A GREAT UNIT - but  it is EXPENSIVE

Here's copy of my instruction:s
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* Switch settings                                                                                                        *
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Switch 1& 2 (gain)
        . This controls the degree of 'surge' the cruise control will                       
           have. If the unit tends to apply too much throttle change for
           small changes in speed - then "lower the gain". If the unit does              
           not apply enough throttle change corrective action - then set         
           the gain "higher"  
                . Example - (high horsepower/light weight vechicles - set to low)  
                . Suggested setting- High  (1=on  2=on)

Switch 3-6 Pulses/Mile
         . Proper setting of these switchs controls minimum speed to set
           cruise and Provides a 1-2 MPH change (up or down) per tap of the
           accel/decel switches
          . To Calculate "PULSES / MILE"  (PULSES/MILE)
           1.  Determine the number of tire revolutions / mile (TIRE-REV/Mile) for your size tires   
                   EXAMPLE
                      09R22.5 = 542 revs/mile                12R22.5 = 492 revs/mile    
                      10R22.5 = 520 revs/mile                11R24.5 = 480 revs/mile
                      11R22.5 = 504 revs/mile                12R24.5 = 470 revs/mile
            2.  Determine the number of pulses / tire rev (PULSES/TIRE-REV) P/TIRE REV
                     EXAMPLE
                      . RTS & GMC buses have 60 notch front hub w/pulse sensor => 60 P/TIRE REV
                      . Many MCI/Eagles have 4 bolts on the front hub pulse device => 4 P/TIRE REV
                      . Many Speedo Cable Pulsers give 8 pulses/cable rev X axel ratio =>P/TIRE-REV
                       or
                      . ATEC tailshaft Vechicle speed sensors produce 12 pulse / tailshaft revolution
                       12 pulses per tailshaft revolution times your axle ratio = PULSES/TIRE-REV
           3. Calculate PULSES/MILE by multipling PULSES/TIRE-REV by TIRE-REV/MILE
           4. Use the chart on page 4 of the Rostra Cruise Control Installation manual to set
                the switches to the corect PULSES PER MILE range

Switch 7-9  Engine / SetUp Timer
             . If cruise speed drops off 5 miles per hour when initially set to 55 and then recovers
               Slowly - change to higher setting
               Settings are based on 1/8" slack in cable - More slack will cause cruise to surge or
               loss speed on set
   . Suggested setting = (Weight to HoresPower Ration (HIGH - LOW ?)
                      (High Weight to small HP Ratio = HIGH  or    Low Weight to big HP ratio = LOW)

Switch 10 VSS Source
            . Magnet pickups require this switch to be set to OFF
              (sine waves  have a negative and positive component to the wave form).
            . Speed signals processed thru a computer (ATEC / DDEC) require this    
              switch to be Set ON for square wave (only positive wave component)

switch 11 Manual /Automatic
           . Set to "manual' allows longer application of full throttle during       
             heavy loads (hill climbs) before tripping a reset

Switch 12 Control Switch
           . Dash mounted switch (250-3592 or 250-3593) - set to open (switch off)




Plus the wiring IS DOWN TO ONLY 4 WIRES
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Quick & simple wiring for diesels / Rostra Global 250-1223 & Rostra 250-3592 or 250-3593  switch
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Ground (-) ->To the following wires  (Note -  Dark Blue  is n/a for diesels & grounded to prevent noise)
                        * (Black & Dark Blue Wire) - From Control Unit 250-1223)
                        * (Black Wire & Blue Wire) - From switch 250-3592 or 3593)
                       
Ignition (+) ->to the following wires
                        *(Brown wire) - From Control Unit 250-1223
                        *(White wire & Gray wire) - From switch 250-3592 or 3593)
                        *(Red wire) - From Control Unit 250-1223

Brake (cold)-> to the following wire (Note - Cold side of brake switch is + only when braking)
                          * (Violet wire) - From Control Unit 250-1223
 
Speedo ->  to (Gray wire) - From Control Unit 250-1223

plus

Switch Plug ->(4 pin- Thin Red/Brown/Yellow/Green wires) - to plug as shown in instruction sheet
If you ain't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

Greg Roberts

Thanks Pete. Your write up certainly is more clear than the book from several years back.
Check out my Eagle 20 here: http://photobucket.com/GregRobertsEagle20

chuckd

I called King Controls in Faribault and they charge $695 for their unit, Pete is around $200.  I may be a touch too thrifty to spend an additional $495.

Chuckd