71's Banned in CA

[Brassman]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/movies/2010021075_ladywashington08m.html

What the...

[bobofthenorth]

If that report is entirely true there are a lot of trawler-type pleasure vessels that will have to give California waters a miss.  Our old 2-strokes are pretty common power plants in that style of vessel. 

[loosenut]

Sounds like they need to talk to Don about his clean running diesel parts.

Mike

[wildbob24]

When I read this, I thought about Don too, but I don't think he's designed anything for inline, naturally aspirated DD's.

Perhaps he'll chime in and set us straight

[Sean]

OK, before anyone goes off half-cocked here, let's remember that the proposed rules (and no, they have not yet beet adopted in final form, and, in fact, public comment is still open) exempt "motor homes" which include converted buses so titled.  See this post:
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=12076.msg126647#msg126647
from an earlier discussion.  Elsewhere in that thread, someone actually called CARB to double-check.

If that report is entirely true there are a lot of trawler-type pleasure vessels that will have to give California waters a miss.  Our old 2-strokes are pretty common power plants in that style of vessel.  

On the marine side, the new regulations do not apply retroactively to "recreational vessels," which is very narrowly defined.  (If it needs a USCG-licensed skipper, it's not a recreational vessel).

The Lady Washington does not qualify as a recreational vessel and so must comply with the new regs.

-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com

[bobofthenorth]

On the marine side, the new regulations do not apply retroactively to "recreational vessels," which is very narrowly defined.  (If it needs a USCG-licensed skipper, it's not a recreational vessel).

That's good to know but I think I'll keep looking for Perkins or J.D. power.  One 2-stroke in a lifetime is more than enough penance as far as I am concerned.

[Sean]

That's good to know but I think I'll keep looking for Perkins or J.D. power.  One 2-stroke in a lifetime is more than enough penance as far as I am concerned.

Bob, are you shopping for a trawler?  If so, we should compare notes, as we are also trawler shopping (albeit very, very slowly).  We've already been to two Trawlerfests and spent a week in the water learning to handle a 40 footer (with a Perkins, incidentally).

-Sean
http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com

[Ncbob]

I read the article and quietly chuckled at the probability of CA shootiing itself in the foot again in the name of going 'green'.

Something tells me that the sponsor of the proposed legislation, typically, didn't do their homework so as to inquire how many vessels owned by the State have these powerplants. No doubt it will eventually lead to a ban on 2 stroke truck engines. Should that sponsor not inquire before introducing his/her bill there should be more than enough embarrasment to go around.

The proposed ban would include all 2 cycle Detroit's of the 51, 53, 71, 92, 110 and 149 Series.

NCbob

[TomC]

Interesting to note that I was in Morro Bay last week and had a tour on the Coast Guard close to shore rescue 46ft'r with twin 425hp 6V-92TA's DDEC in them.  The crew member said that the Detroit 2 strokers are the only engine that will restart if they have a 360 degree roll over.  So this may get interesting if the 2 strokers are going to be banned.  Good Luck, TomC

[TomC]

Also- if that sail ship is belching out black smoke, something is not right with that Detroit.  I bet if they get the kit that Don Fairchild sells, it would be as clean as any 4 stroker.  Good Luck, TomC

[Dreamscape]

Sean,

Are you going to call your new toy "Odyssey II"? I've seen some very nice trawler conversions, what a way to go.

Paul