Death Valley

[Dave5Cs]

Ah old Cliven and his son  Ammon is running for the Governor of Idaho where he is not even aloud in the Capital and he set up a compound in Southern Oregon where they believe it is ok for them to take over the land but no one else can do that accord to them, LOL

[luvrbus]

The BLM and ranchers plus the sheep herders in Idaho and Or has always been a mess,most of the permits favor the ranchers,we have a friend in Jordon Valley Or that hasn't paid a penny in 10 years  for grazing because of a drought clause in his permit.Now  new permits are good for 10 years the older permits some were good for life carried down to next generation  those are the ones the BLM are after lol there is nothing in Southern Or and Southwest Id anyways let the cows ,horses and sheep have it or Ammon, Idaho has a lot of open range grazing no one controls it or pays fees   

[chessie4905]

we sure travelled across thousands of acres of land even a prairie dog could eake out a living. Thousands of miles of fence, very few cattle.

[chessie4905]

we sure travelled across thousands of acres of land even a prairie dog could eake out a living. Thousands of miles of fence, very few cattle. Then, hundreds of acres of irrigated, what looks to be hay fields. And water is in short supply out here.

[luvrbus]

we sure travelled across thousands of acres of land even a prairie dog could eake out a living. Thousands of miles of fence, very few cattle. Then, hundreds of acres of irrigated, what looks to be hay fields. And water is in short supply out here.

What pisses people off out west and Alaska the government own 60 % of land and in 11 states out here they own 45% or more plus they have water and mineral rights,here water rights are worth more than the land,Idaho has plenty of water   

[lvmci]

85% of Nevada is BLM and other federal agencies...

[luvrbus]

What they call Rolex Ranchers in Idaho like the Ted Turners and others control lots of BLM land. JR Simplot of Idaho was one he could play the BLM and Forest Service like a fiddle they never questioned what he did on BLM land, or he would exchange a worthless piece of property for one that had value and make the BLM think they got the better deal   

[Dave5Cs]

Sounds like Howard Hughes.

[luvrbus]

Sounds like Howard Hughes.

Yep money = power the government doesn't look at the land being public and that is not political just a fact when you pay 5 bucks to gain access to some spots here in the valley,don't lose your senior pass to the parks that jewel cost 80 bucks now if you lose it   

[dtcerrato]

Yep money = power the government doesn't look at the land being public and that is not political just a fact when you pay 5 bucks to gain access to some spots here in the valley,don't lose your senior pass to the parks that jewel cost 80 bucks now if you lose it

Best darn plastic card in my wallet. It's the only plastic card that don't spend but saves - gobs while on the road. Love using it on federal land...