Drainage holes below windows?
 

Drainage holes below windows?

Started by sparr, March 25, 2016, 10:26:59 AM

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sparr

All of my side windows have what I would characterize as drainage holes built into their frame. In the track where the window slides open, on the bottom edge, there are a bunch of narrow slots. Those slots have an open air flow to outside the bus, where there are small triangular holes in the rubber sealant around the window, aligned with the holes. My guess is that this is so drinks spilled into the window channel don't gum it up, or possibly to allow outside air to de-fog the inside windows? Either way, I want to plug them, for insulation reasons. My naive approach is going to be to just squirt a little caulk into the holes in the rubber seal around the window. Should I instead remove the window and frame and patch the slots in the metal from the outer edge of the frame?

buswarrior

As long as the results from a driving rain has somewhere to go....

These are open all the way to the interior when the windows are closed?

happy coaching!
buswarrior
Frozen North, Greater Toronto Area
new project: 1995 MCI 102D3, Cat 3176b, Eaton Autoshift

DoubleEagle

If the holes go all the way through, it might be to handle condensation that accumulates on the inside of the window. I doubt it would be adequate for spilled drinks. The big problem on seated coaches were spills and vomits getting into the heating/cooling ducts under the windows.
Walter
Dayton, Ohio
1975 Silvereagle Model 05, 8V71, 4 speed Spicer
1982 Eagle Model 10, 6V92, 5 speed Spicer
1984 Eagle Model 10, 6V92 w/Jacobs, Allison HT740
1994 Eagle Model 15-45, Series 60 w/Jacobs, HT746

Oonrahnjay

Quote from: buswarrior on March 25, 2016, 10:36:02 AM
As long as the results from a driving rain has somewhere to go....

These are open all the way to the interior when the windows are closed?

happy coaching!
buswarrior

     On my Peninsula windows, the drains are to release water that's collecting in the grooves.  They're "single slider" windows so the outer groove doesn't have anything sliding in it (that's the cavity that the fixed half sits in); the inner grove has the sliding window in it.  There are drain holes between the inner groove and the outer groove so that water that runs down the closed window can drain away and there is an outer groove drain so that all rain water that accumulates anywhere in the grooves can drain.
     They are not open to the inside of the bus.
Bruce H; Wallace (near Wilmington) NC
1976 Daimler (British) Double-Decker Bus; 34' long

(New Email -- brucebearnc@ (theGoogle gmail place) .com)

sparr

Quote from: buswarrior on March 25, 2016, 10:36:02 AM
As long as the results from a driving rain has somewhere to go....
I prefer driving rain to stay on the outside of the bus, where it belongs, along with cold/hot outside air. I don't WANT those things to have somewhere to go!

Quote from: buswarrior on March 25, 2016, 10:36:02 AMThese are open all the way to the interior when the windows are closed?
Yes. If it helps to picture it... Press a quarter flat against the window. Drop it. It will slide down the window and rest in the slot in the window frame track (where the OTHER window would slide if it was opened all the way). Go outside and look at the triangular hole in the window seal below the frame and you will see the edge of the quarter resting in the slot.

sparr

Quote from: Oonrahnjay on March 26, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
     On my Peninsula windows, the drains are to release water that's collecting in the grooves.  They're "single slider" windows so the outer groove doesn't have anything sliding in it (that's the cavity that the fixed half sits in); the inner grove has the sliding window in it.  There are drain holes between the inner groove and the outer groove so that water that runs down the closed window can drain away and there is an outer groove drain so that all rain water that accumulates anywhere in the grooves can drain.
     They are not open to the inside of the bus.
My windows are "double slider", either side can slide open all the way, or both can be open halfway at the same time. Maybe this is just a design simplification? The outside groove needs slots, and they couldn't guarantee it would be installed in the correct direction, so they put slots on both grooves?

Oonrahnjay

Quote from: Oonrahnjay on March 26, 2016, 06:48:02 AM
     On my Peninsula windows, the drains are to release water that's collecting in the grooves.  They're "single slider" windows so the outer groove doesn't have anything sliding in it (that's the cavity that the fixed half sits in); the inner grove has the sliding window in it.  There are drain holes between the inner groove and the outer groove so that water that runs down the closed window can drain away and there is an outer groove drain so that all rain water that accumulates anywhere in the grooves can drain.
     They are not open to the inside of the bus.


Quote from: sparr on March 28, 2016, 12:53:12 PM
My windows are "double slider", either side can slide open all the way, or both can be open halfway at the same time. Maybe this is just a design simplification? The outside groove needs slots, and they couldn't guarantee it would be installed in the correct direction, so they put slots on both grooves? 

    Maybe.  My Peninsula windows have a flange around the outside periphery -- they definitely can only be installed with one side out.  But being "double slider", your windows are of a completely different detail design than mine.
Bruce H; Wallace (near Wilmington) NC
1976 Daimler (British) Double-Decker Bus; 34' long

(New Email -- brucebearnc@ (theGoogle gmail place) .com)

bigred

Haven't seen these on buses but my first two motor homes were Winnebago products and they both had these drain slots and in all the paper work we were told that under no circumstances were these holes to be plugged up.They had plastic covers with open bottoms  that snapped into the the slots.If you can find and old independent RV supply place ,they may still have these in stock .CW might have them ,but due to their Turn and earn philosophy ,I really doubt it !!
Rhet Raby           137 Elk Mtn Rd       Asheville N c 28804             1993 Prevost XL

bigred

Haven't seen these on buses but my first two motor homes were Winnebago products and they both had these drain slots and in all the paper work we were told that under no circumstances were these holes to be plugged up.They had plastic covers with open bottoms  that snapped into the the slots.If you can find and old independent RV supply place ,they may still have these in stock .CW might have them ,but due to their Turn and earn philosophy ,I really doubt it !!
Rhet Raby           137 Elk Mtn Rd       Asheville N c 28804             1993 Prevost XL

lvmci

Hi sparr, so what bus do you have , what model and year? Do you think these are factory windows, or replacement  windows, lvmci...
MCI 102C3 8V92, Allison HT740
Formally MCI5A 8V71 Allison MT643
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Dave5Cs

These are called "Weep Holes" and they are for rain that gets in the track and condensate on the inside of the tracks and it drain to the outside just like the windows on a house. When these get plugged up the water will fill the track and drain inside and over the top of the track on the outside. I would not caulk them shut. :)
Dave5Cs
"Perfect Frequency"1979 MCI MC5Cs 6V-71,644MT Allison.
2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 60th Anniversary edition.
1998 Jeep TJ ,(Gone)
Somewhere in the USA fulltiming.

sparr

Quote from: lvmci on March 28, 2016, 04:58:58 PM
Hi sparr, so what bus do you have , what model and year? Do you think these are factory windows, or replacement  windows, lvmci...
2003 Optima Opus LFB34. I expect that these windows are original factory equipment.

Quote from: Dave5Cs on March 28, 2016, 06:39:48 PM
These are called "Weep Holes" and they are for rain that gets in the track and condensate on the inside of the tracks and it drain to the outside just like the windows on a house. When these get plugged up the water will fill the track and drain inside and over the top of the track on the outside. I would not caulk them shut. :)
Thanks! That search term gave me a lot of info. I guess what I want to get are some sort of cover or removable plug for them, instead of caulking them shut. Apparently weep hole covers are a normal thing for some standard sorts of windows; I shouldn't have trouble making custom ones for my windows.