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Title: starters
Post by: Ace on October 09, 2008, 07:03:59 AM
What is a good price for a 2 year old maintanence take out?
Thanks
Title: Re: starters
Post by: kyle4501 on October 09, 2008, 07:08:56 AM
FREE, delivered  ;D

Sorry, couldn't resist.  :o  ;D  ::)



Seriously tho, anything less than core price would be a deal!
Over core price & you're rolling the dice . . .
Title: Re: starters
Post by: makemineatwostroke on October 09, 2008, 07:11:35 AM
what is the model a 50,42 or 37 the bigger the starter the better
Title: Re: starters
Post by: JackConrad on October 09, 2008, 07:32:30 AM
Ace,
   We paid about $250 for a rebuilt several years ago.  I think JJR recently paid about the same to have his repaired.  Jack
Title: Re: starters
Post by: jjrbus on October 09, 2008, 07:43:22 AM
Yep $285 for a rebuild includng tax. You might be better off getting the one you have rebuilt, but I'm sure you know that.  Let me guess, you want to carry a spare?
How is the trip going Jack?                                                                    Jim
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Ace on October 09, 2008, 07:44:57 AM
510752 is the model number.

You tell me. Is it worth a hundred bucks?
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Dreamscape on October 09, 2008, 07:49:26 AM
I just had mine rebuilt for my 8v71 and it cost about $150.

So I would say $100 is a good price.

HTH,

Paul
Title: Re: starters
Post by: makemineatwostroke on October 09, 2008, 08:13:55 AM
Ace; look at the top of the tag above those #s and it should have 50MT, 42MT or 37MT if it is a 50MT give him the 100 bucks and smile  have a great day
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Blacksheep on October 09, 2008, 10:48:10 AM
It ships out Today and should have it in my hand soon! The picture I have shows the plate but the top numbers are blurred.

Here are pics of the starter.

Ace

Title: Re: starters
Post by: Sojourner on October 09, 2008, 11:02:07 AM
Ace....I could be wrong, but I never seen this style of starter (gear-reduction) for 8v 71 or 92 series. Make sure your is what you have...compare to this link: http://www.newindo.com/delcoremy/42mt-delcoremy-startermotor.htm  Or it could be 50MT version...it listed on the page on the left.

Hope it will be OK.

FWIW

Sojourn for Christ, Gerald
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Blacksheep on October 09, 2008, 11:15:56 AM
Jerry, thanks! I'm not sure but for a 100.00 bucks I can always sell it.

I saw it on Ebay and figured what the heck. If it fits, it will be a good spare! If not, turn it loose!

Here is what the auction said...

Mitsubishi Starter Prevost # 510752. Good used starter removed as part of schelduled maintenance.Starters removed every 2 years.This starter was on a S60 Detroit but are also used on 6V and 8V 92 Detroit and C13 Caterpillar engines within fleet.This is a good used operational starter that is now standard equipment on Prevost coaches.It replaces MT40,MT42,and MT50 starters in the fleet.It is a lightweight starter weighing around 28 lbs.Bolt it on or use for spare.Please ask all questions before bidding.Thanks.
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Sojourner on October 09, 2008, 11:26:53 AM
Thanks for quick reply.
That I could be wrong thinking because newer gear reduction ones is better for cold starting and easier on batteries as well cables. Because it take less current and it the state of art.

This new on me and learning. If it works, let us know and Thanks.

Take Care!

Sojourn for Christ, Gerald

PS...hope you still in popcorn business....I want to get some hot popcorn of yours when we get down, the Lord willing. Yum, Yum!
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Blacksheep on October 09, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
Jerry I won't really know until it gets here and I will know for sure then!

As for the KETTLE CORN (not popcorn), we have only been to limited shows during the summer months due to a few things. One was looking after my Dad and two it was very HOT! Now that my Dad is gone and the weather has cooled down, we DO have a few good shows booked for the coming months and we actually got 4 calls within the last 2 weeks to do some shows but 2 of those were too far for us to go and the other 2 we booked. They won't be until Nov and 1 in Jan. We have 2 booked for this month and another just before Turkey day! If I pressed the issue, I could build it back up pretty quick, almost to where I could quit my full time job but the economy has a crunch on the turnout at the shows so we shall pick and choose where we go!
If I see you in Arcadia, I will be sure to bring some with me just for you!  ;)

Ace
Title: Re: starters
Post by: makemineatwostroke on October 09, 2008, 01:36:38 PM
that is a good starter for a spare but removing a starter every 2 years for schelduled maintenance would throw a red flag up for me one thing he said was true that is a factory starter for Prevost and anything else with D13 Volvo engine and other truck manufactures are using it also it won't last as long as the 42Mt in yor coach now,for a 100 bucks not bad   have a great day
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Ace on October 09, 2008, 02:37:42 PM
That might be true but a spare is a spare and I usually head towards home on Sunday when nothing is open! This would at least get me home or to the next place where it CAN be fixed WITHOUT a tow bill!

Ace
Title: Re: starters
Post by: JackConrad on October 09, 2008, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: jjrbus on October 09, 2008, 07:43:22 AM
How is the trip going Jack?       
Jim

     Other than having to buy a new tire, trip is going great.  We are presently visiting Ray & Ann Edwards in NC near Martinsville, VA.  We will start working our ay back south in about 2 weeks, stopping at Hoboken, GA for the SE busnuts rally and Florida Flywheelers for the antique engine & tractor show.  Jack
PS: Tell Josephine, Mom said Hi
Title: Re: starters
Post by: Ednj on October 09, 2008, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: JackConrad on October 09, 2008, 04:27:33 PM
Quote from: jjrbus on October 09, 2008, 07:43:22 AM
How is the trip going Jack?       
Jim

     Florida Flywheelers for the antique engine & tractor show. 


I'll be at the antique steam engine & tractor fall harvest in Kinzers PA this weekend=
http://www.roughandtumble.org/rt-misc/rt_fallharvest_sched.asp
Title: Re: starters
Post by: jjrbus on October 09, 2008, 04:50:35 PM
If keeping for a spare I would be tempted to install the new used starter and keep the known good one for a spare. The nice thing about this is with a good spare, you will never have a starter problem!!  But you probobly already thought of that. Do we get free kettle corn for our free advice?   Jim
Title: Re: starters
Post by: buswarrior on October 09, 2008, 05:19:32 PM
Yes, I'll agree with makemine, 2 years is a little often for changing out a starter for preventive maintenance, but I'd have to know the fleet's situation to be sure.

If it is from some third party transit operation for a municipality that demands no engine idling, that means many starts per day, 7 days a week, and there may be an expensive provision of service performance guarantee in their contract, they may have identified that the duty cycle is cheapest to change out at two years versus risking a failure on the road and the resultant financial penalties from the municipality.

Big transit here in Toronto identified a three year cycle for dropping the engine package and swapping out starter, alternator, air compressor and other bits... cheaper to drop the package and swap it all, rather than pry one or the other out on the shop floor on a failure basis. A bus engine room is looking like a modern automobile's these days, this stuff does not come out willingly, or without disassembling half the back of the bus. Hourly rated, union shop, naturally, but then, when would you suffer a failure in one of those components?

happy coaching!
buswarrior
Title: Re: starters
Post by: bobofthenorth on October 09, 2008, 05:25:40 PM
Make sure its actually the right starter when you get it.  By that I mean put it in the hole and start the bus with it.  I've got one of those gear reduction starters on my 8-92 and it is wonderful.  But there's at least two mounts on them and both of them "will fit" but only one of them will turn the engine over.  Ask me how I know.  Its been 2-1/2 years now but it sticks in memory that there was a slight difference in pinion size and a slight difference in the throw but like I said, so close that it fit and looked like it should work.  But it didn't.

Title: Re: starters
Post by: Blacksheep on October 14, 2008, 09:15:56 PM
Received the starter today and it appears to be in really good condition. It was too late to check it against what I already have but will do that when I get a chance.

Two Stroke, the tag reads as follows:

Mitsubishi   24V
type M009T82479
4Y08
model 510752

It came in a Prevost labeled box with the number 510752 on it.

I didn't see anywhere the numbers you refer to!

Ace