I'm all packed, aired up (from the shop) and the damn thing won't start. Ohhhhhhhhhhh... I am sooooooooooooooooooo over this s**t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Batteries were down, probably from doing electrical stuff, but she did turn over several times. Then I put each battery on high charge for a little while -several times - and even gave it either and she still won't hit. I'm trying a little longer charge on the batteries and will give it yet another try.
I love my bus and have wanted one for so long, but at this rate there is going to be a seperation soon and I'm not even married.......get my drift?!?!?! (it's a 4108)
If I don't do anymore responding it "should" mean she finally started. If not, I'll be back with a "For Sale".
Can a bus "flood"?? Hell, I don't even know that. I was hoping I could learn as I go but it's finally getting to me.
Sorry for the rant guys, but I've about had it.
Chaz
Chaz,
One thing to remember, A diesel engine has to spin FAST to start. Anything less than a full charge on the batteries will cause hard or no starting. Jack
Chaz,
Saw one like yours on e-bay, with a new engine. For what it cost (I think) to re-power yours it looks like a good buy!
Anyway, hope you get it started. We got the high temps here today hope you got your AC working good.
Have fun at the car show.
Steve 5B .............
There are definitely times when I wonder why I want to pay so much to have problems. We are at a campground now though, and as I look around at all the RV's here including some pushers, I think that my 5a is definitely the coolest. There are even some things I sort of look forward to doing and save them for these trips to keep them interesting. I must say though that starting problems and over heating problems are not the ones I like.
I have not had start problems yet with this bus other than not having fuel (I still suspect that I was siphoned). I did once have one with my other bus which turned out to be a crack in the fuel line letting it suck air. I too do not know about flooding for sure, but believed it would happen with that bus. It always started on the first twist of the key, but if you did not hold the idle up for about 10 seconds, it would stall and be hard to start. I either had to let it crank out for a bit really fast, or just let it sit for a minute and hit it again.
One thing though, the more frustrating the problem, the better I feel when it's solved.
Chaz,
If it started and ran well recently, then chances are you don't have a big or expensive problem, just a PITA, all part of owning an old bus.
Number one is good strong batteries.
Number two is fuel to the rack.
Number three is no blockage of the air intake (like a tripped shutdown valve)
That's it! One, Two, Three, it will start.
Len
The high price of low living!!!! My bus upsets me to no end and I have been very lucky with!!!!! It is a constant with it a campgrounds er RV Resorts that I get compliments.
Then I see the problems they are having. A man asked me to try to fix his roof leak the other day, The entire roof right down to the ceiling is rotten!!!!! He is putting it up for sale as a handy man special. Its only a 1997, 11 years old and I would not take it for free.
Jim
Chaz, a diesel engine can not flood, pumping the throttle does not affect a diesel like a carb on a gas engine. If it doesn't start after sitting awhile - couple of days- I would look at fuel draining back, loose line, loose filter?
Lloyd
Chaz- it also sounds to me like you might be loosing your prime. My 8V-71 starts with 1 second of starter operation, when it is above 50 degrees. If your's takes much longer, then it is probably either worn or as mentioned before a fuel problem. If your engine is worn, try starting ether. Good Luck, TomC
We have not heard from Chaz again, he must be on the road, hope he has laptop and aircard ;D
Once you get it running, check the fuel return check valve. It can be disassembled and cleaned pretty easily.
I found out the hard way this spring that we cannot let these things sit for months at a time and not charge the starting batteries....even if they've been disconnected. When we tried to leave FL on the date we chose the engine wouldn't turn over and the starter drive hung in the 'in' position.
I now make it a routine to put a charger on at least every 2 months prior to starting the engine just to air things up. Sometime this month I will take her out for about an hour or so just to make sure everything is OK.
Sure makes you angry when things don't go right and you don't have anyone to blame but yourself.
Bob
What everyone needs to realize is these buses were run every day which kept the batteries up! Most of us have our buses sit idle so the batteries will go down quickly! Phamtom drains I guess but they are not like a car where they can sit and still start after a month or so without starting!
Best thing to invest in is a marine
"on-board" charging system. Plugs into a single 110 outlet, connects with 2 wires to the batteries, 1 black, 1 red! Tops the batteries off and floats! It will cut itself off when done. Draws very low current and when it's time to go, simply unplug it and start your bus EVERY time with mucho confidence! Had I known, that would have been the VERY first item bought! It would have saved me a LOT of aggravation and money on batteries!
Found mine NEW on ebay and it works great!
Ace
Aftwer posting a friend called to ask about the charger I installed and wanted the information so instead of keeping it behind closed doors, I will post all the information here for everyone to share!
Yes it is an expensive piece BUT, it's well pays for itself in confidence!
Never again will I doubt the start-ability of my bus after it site for long periods!
The charger information I have is,
Name: Quick Charge
Quick Charge Corp. 1032 S.W. 22nd st. Oklahoma City, Ok. 73109
800-658-2841
Specs:
24volt
25 amp
26 lbs
6" x 9" x 6.5"
used on fork lifts and other lifting equipment.
good for golf carts and other personal carriers
has easy to interpret LED indicator lights
plugs into standard 117v 6a ac
good for continuous industrial duty
has standard eylet connectors
100% copper transformer
vibration resistant: no moving parts
This unit is totally enclosed which means that it is resistant to weather, water, debris, and other harsh environments. This unit can even resist a pressure washer!
The unit is small and compact: it will fit slim scissor lifts and other applications where space is a factor. You can also mount this unit in any direction.
The LED light provides information such as the light is steady during charge mode and is dim/blinking when the unit is finished charging. No confusion or worry with different light patterns!
Normal operation:
Connect charge leads directly to battery terminals.
Plug the charger into an AC outlet.
The LED on the charger will come on and light indicating charge current is flowing.
Gas and float: batteries are allowed to gas to a maximum of 2.55 volts per cell before dropping into indefinite float of 2.26 volts per cell. Very useful for deep cycle batteries that are NOT frequently used.
(the OBET chargers are equipped with a electronic timer. At the battery gassing threshold, 2.3 volts per cell) the timer will activate and run for three hours. During this time, the batteries are in a gassing or equalizing mode. (2.5-2.6 volts per cell max.) After three hours, the charger shuts off completely, indicated by the LED light going off.)
To discontinue charging, unplug the AC power cord. Plugging it back in will cause the charger to repeat the cycle.
This charger comes with a 3 year warranty from the original manufacturer!
I personally purchased my charger off ebay from:
Moto batteries
1316 W. Adams Street
Jacksonville, Fl. 32204
904-483-3873
http://.motbatteries.com
purchase date 12/10/2007
$229.00 charger
20.00 S&H
16.03 tax
___________
$265.03 (worth every penny)
Other companies have the same charger but this is the cheapest I found on the net at THAT time! They also have these same chargers in a 12 volt configuration!
Hope this helps!
Ace
I use a pair of WFCO 9855 converter chargers for my house and start battery systems. One I got from Slow Rider and one I got from eBay.
These converters feature 3 stage chargers and supply up to 55A as needed.
So far, both of them have worked well, even after a year or so, I have yet to have had to add water to either the house batteries or the start batteries.
Usually, everyday I drive around 1-15 miles with my bus, (we don't have a toad), my charging system for my PD4103 is still the old Delco oil cooled 12V generator as installed from new with the carbon pile regulator. Obviously, at the distance I'm running, the batteries cannot get a full charge, and the house batteries aren't even in the mix, they aren't connected to the start batteries... yet.
I did try a couple of experiments not too long ago, I hooked a 120A ammeter from a IH truck into the start system, and left the lights and what blowers I have left on for 24 hours. When I unplugged the converter the meter went immediately to -75A which seemed a little high to me, but I left it as my wiring is at this time Carrol 4/0 welding cable, I didn't think that would hurt, or if it did, I could shut down quickly with no problem.
When I plugged the converter/charger back in, it immediately went to 14.4V @ 55A for about 30 minutes, after that it slowed down to 13.6V @ 55A for about 4 hours and then gradually dropped the charging rate to 4A. It then dropped to 13.3V @ 3A for the next 10 hours and gradually dropped the input from there.
(Caveat) These were 3 and 4 year old 8D start batteries I traded from another guy. I didn't expect them to last as long as they did.
My next test was with my house batteries, where I run the fridge, 2 computers, a printer, and all the house lights from an "ElCheapo" Inverter, along with a number of ventilation fans on the 12V side.
My batteries are Walmart Deep Cycle Marine, not to be confused with the "Marine/ Deep Cycle/Start" batteries that Wally is famous for. I at this time have 2 of them and they supply my needs for about 20 hours without recharge. They are suppose to be 120Ah, but seem to be much better that that. (could be a fluke).
Anyway, After depleting them for a total of 24 hours, the results were similar to the 8D's except it took longer for the second stage of charging.
Bottom line is, my start batteries as connected to the converter have kept a happy charge on them, and though, I am not a battery guru, I do have to point out that my last set of house batteries were group 31 truck batteries (8) that I removed from some of my trucks when I lost the trucking company. Those lasted 8-9 years and I had to service them at least once a month.
If you can't afford an inverter that has the 3 stage charging on it, you might be as well off to use the converter option, either from WFCO http://www.wfcoelectronics.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=51&Itemid=78
Or another one that I know of, the Iota DLS series with the IQ4 smart charger function installed.
Good luck,
DF
Monday morning, 1:30 AM
My dream has become my nightmare. I can't take it.
For Sale.
Good night.
Chaz
Obviously not going well. What's the latest?
I hope tomarrow is better,
Laryn
I hope after you had a good nights sleep you will consider your frustrations.
I went to start our Eagle after it sitting for two months. Guess what, no start. >:( Checked my batts, they were real low. Should have taken the cables off the batts instead of relying on the switch. Oh well, now they sit idle on charge for a couple of days. :'( :'(
Just letting you know it happens to all of us at one point or another.
Don't give up! You have learned so much don't stop now.
Good Luck and Happy Trails,
Paul
Chaz,
I can feel your frustration!
Like most on here who use our buses, I have had my MOMENTS with our 4905! >:(
Get a little rest and hop up on the MAK couch, and let the Bus Doctors lend a hand..... ;)
It the only thing with these Ole Buses thats FREE.......
Hang in there Buddy!
Cliff
Chaz,
Take a break.
"Go easy, go greasy, just kind of let it kind of sl-i-i-i-ide right on by!" (from some old blues song that I can't remember).
Seriously, with your exceptional talents and art, it's just another glitch.
I sold my beat up 4104 and bought a nice Vogue motor home. It is exceptionally well built, runs and handles great, has lots of cool amenities, and I have regretted that decision ever since!
A bus is far more that a motor home, and, like a good mate, a pain in the a**, but more than worth the aggravation.
Hang in there friend.
Hey Chaz,
Think Positive, things could be worse.
I feel your pain guy. I wish I could help you.
It looks like we'll be here another week or so and then be looking for a new gig. I don't know what direction we'll be taking yet, the navigator hasn't given me my directions, but if it's out your way maybe we can stop by for a day or two and help you get things straightened out.
Len...
I think that's a Frank Zappa Song, and not only is it Frank Zappa weird, it's just thoroughly weird all the way around!
http://www.lyricsdownload.com/zappa-frank-keep-it-greasy-lyrics.html
Dallas
Anytime I work on my bus reminds me that Murphy's law is live and well! Keep at it you you'll find out what's wrong so it doesn't happen again. Good Luck, TomC
Hey Chaz,
I understand where you are I have been there most of the time since I got this one. I hope I can get it going before i give up on it and sell it for a reduclius price when we could have enjoyed it for a while.
If I could be there to help you get yours going it might make working on mine a little easier, knowing that I helped some one else and they were enjoying thier bus and some day I could too.
Hope it is just a little thing that is keeping it from starting, and you get it running soon and get on with enjoying it.
Chaz,
The bottom line is: If we wanted something that started every time and were assured that nothing would go wrong, we souldn't have bought buses. Your 4108 looks great andf, yes, it is going to give you a little trouble from time to time. But there is nothing on it that can't be fixed even a no start condition.
I understand your frustration. BTDT. :o
Don't be too hard on yourself, after all, you had a learning curve on most everything else you do . . . . .
The bus issues can be resolved, it just takes time & $$ with less time usually costing more :( :o
If you're like me, you allowed yourself to be too dependant too early in your enthusiasm to use your bus.
Give it some time & it will come to you just like all your other skills have. 8)
Remember, you just have to approach these bus issues a little differently since they aren't as common as old cars & bikes.
BTW, you ain't the first to want to walk away after p***ing on it. ;D
And...good short paragraphs Chaz!!! He he he,...hoo...hoo...hoo!! just kidding!!! :) :) :)
I could fill up a good three or four hours telling you all about my second weekend from hell in my bus. (cooling, electrical, air and of course the "incident")
Life sucks and then you die.
Chaz
We are ready to hear it when you are ready to type it out.
It might help to get it out and get on with things.
We have all had those days and week and months and more.
Quote from: Chaz on August 04, 2008, 03:57:49 PM
I could fill up a good three or four hours telling you all about my second weekend from hell in my bus. (cooling, electrical, air and of course the "incident")
Life sucks and then you die.
Chaz
But you survived! Look at it this way:
If that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger, in a few more trips, you'll be able to kick superman's butt! ;D 8)
Oh yeah, before you p*** on it & walk away, make sure the battery is disconnected. :o
I've had those moments with the last 2 buses I bought.
1 took a crap on The Bridge Tunnel! Man, you'll get LOTS of attention if you do that! ;) Then it decided to give me the finger again when we were blocking traffic in one of those neighborhoods that the cops don't respond until AFTER the caller states "shots fired & the fire is almost out" :o
There's more, but I gotta save something for my memoirs. ;D
At times like this, I do a selfish project just for ME. I'll make that tool or special fixture I've been putting off. It restores my sense of purpose & helps me get things back in perspective. Not to mention they become some of my favorite "trophies".
Hey Dude Lighten up!! At least you have a bus to cvomplain about. I still haven't found "the Bus".
Chaz, you lucky man, Ive got an airplane, bus, boat, two motorcycles, tractor, truck, and three cars, all need me at the same time. You know the rules.>>>Dan
Chaz
Sorry to hear of your bus problems .
We made it to the show Saturday ,looked for ya(no luck) !!! an now we know the rest the rest of the story. I wanted to talk to you about and look at your corn heaters (contact me off board ). Anyway if we could have found you we would be glad to help you kick some gremlin butt!!!!!!!!
hang in there
Dwayne
I guess I shouldn't leave this thread with that final thought, but I just can't really explain the stress I feel and I'd rather not sound like a cry baby. (My definition of a "cry baby" is someone who pisses and moans but doesn't do anything to help themselves.) I'm not one and I'm not the best at dealing with those who are. (so fair is fair, I'll hold it in the best I can) But i did want to say thanx for all the help I have gotten and especially all the well wishing. It means allot to me...it really does.
My problem lies with that I do work allot and when an event comes up that I REALLY want to go to, and can envision how TOTALLY cool it would/could be with my coach, and then I have to work even harder to make it happen, and then when it gets here and it's going to help relieve some of the stress (I'm hoping) bummer stuff happens and the whole thing basically stresses me even further! It just doesn't seem worth it. Actually, I guess it isn't, as I have a bit of a problem with stress anyway. (I'm also told, I now have High Blood Pressure! OH JOY!!) But that is neither here nor there. This is a bus site. Back to the bus................
I did get two more wheels and 2 good Michelins (1 for a spare) for the wheel issue. I also have my bus at the mechanics for him to go over. (compression, injectors, cylinder inspection, etc) We talked about the "getting hot over 55 mph" and the only thing that makes sense is the water pump. Albeit, as I understand, they are almost bullet proof.
Here's the deal: On the road, when it got up to the hot range, I pulled it over and infra-red shot it and the temps ranged from the 200* in the inlet to as low as 137* at the bottom. And it's my understanding there shouldn't be but a 10 to 15 degree change. So it seems the water is staying in the radiator too long and cooling down substantially, but not moving into the engine fast enough to cool it. (just my theory) He is also going to be checking that also.
Then, I also have the bay/bulkhead damage to straighten out. Not really bad, just a hassle. It did cause a little warp in the side of the bus, but I think that will come out when I jack it up and straighten it all out. God, at least I hope so. If not.................. just shoot me now.
Then after I get it all straightened and figured out and know just what's what, I'm afraid she will have to go. I'll be filling you all in so you will know just what I have. And if you think for the most "minutest of seconds" that it doesn't go absolutely 100% against the way I am, you're kidding yourself. I am having a hard time accepting it, but a couple of my friends - as well as Linda - think that is what I need to do. (I F***ING hate it!! sorry.) I KEEP things!!!!!!! I hate selling anything!!! Especially, something like this that I can get soooooo creative with on so many levels!! I still just think they are so cool. (preaching to the choir - I know)
But then Linda probably has an alterior motive in her wanting to see it go.............she doesn't like camping, if that is even what you call it. (camping to me is more of a tent thing, ya know?) She prefers room service. She deals with it pretty good and doesn't give me grief, but........ you know.
Anyway, I'm done bitchin now. Altho I will still be around awhile - if it's ok and I'm not like "black balled " or something now - to get a little more help for my ol'girl.
And ABOVE ALL, I wish I could adequetly express how much all the help and encouragement, you guys have given freely,means to me. I really do. Without you guys I would have NEVER gotten as far as I did. At least you all helped me get to realize the dream I had, albeit short. When she was running good, cruisin down the road, it was just soooooo cool. Hell, I'm preachin to the choir again. You all know what i mean.
Ok so, when I get her back, I'll let ya all know what's up. But from what he said, it may take him awhile as he is going to try to fit me in here and there. He is rather busy right now, but trying to do me a "solid". he's agood dude.
Time to go horizontal for the night.
Chaz
(hope this isn't too much of a bummer post. I know "positive experience posts" are a helluvallot funner.)
Chaz,
I think a bus is like any other vehcle, in that when you get a new to you, old one, there are just a lot of things to iron out. As an owner of cool old vehicles, I thihnk you know what I'm tlaking about. The bus is just bigger and the stakes aer higher, especially when your sanity, free time etc are somewhat dependant on it.
You can and will over come, but you're not done yet.... :o) But when you do, it will be very sweet.
We're all rooting for you!
X2 give it some time all those creative ideas can't go to waste! Just don't get in the have to have it right now mind set. A bus is a piece of heavy equipment (old heavy equipment) it just needs more love than most things to get its groove on. I have to try and make a living off of equipment that is much crankier than a bus could ever hope to be. Although even though I'm a young buck compared to most on the board I tend to be a creative road side mechanic and I'm not afraid of much the bus can throw at me. Just relax and try not to make up your mind just yet. Your bus force is strong don't give up just yet.
These buses were not really designed with easy one-man maintenance in mind. They are, in some sense, a bit of overkill for what most of us use them for. But that said, they crush all RV competition. We just returned from a week's "camping trip" (I'm with you, this is not camping). We were at a membership park that must have had hundreds of RV's of every type there including some expensive looking diesel pushers. But I can tell you without a doubt that our 1965 MC5a was the coolest thing I saw. Everything else looked like it was machine stamped into existence. Right now, we are not having any real problems so life is good. I'm sure there will come a time when things begin to go wrong and I will feel like you do.
I think that Q-500 has a good point. If you decide that you must do everything at once, it becomes a nightmare. I like tinkering with the bus, but I hate it when I have to do it or have a deadline. So keep it around for a while, work on it at a pace the gives you pleasure, and use it when you feel good about using it. The value is not going to drop substantially in the next couple of months, so what harm is there in having a hobby. I always tell myself that at the very worst it's a guest house. My wife also prefers hotels to RV'ing, but she prefers RV'ing to nothing. We get away more this way than we would otherwise. Further, merely because you own a bus, does not mean you can't go to a hotel also. You can do each separately, or mix the trip with a day or so in a hotel on the way back. So, do what' best for you. There is no right answer. This can be somewhat of an insane hobby. On the other hand, you can get a lot of creative pleasure from it if you keep your expectations within reason. If your making it into a second job, it won't be worth it.
It sounds like you are going to spend some money and time to fix it right. You know already that now is a terrible time to sell, so why not sit on it instead of possibly loosing your shirt, and maybe even use it here and there until more favorable selling conditions exits. Who knows, if that goes well you could be back to your old happy bus self. Nevertheless, we will sorrowfully understand if you have to let her go.
Just so you know you are not alone!
My Father-in-law drove up in his pickup yesterday and said "lets go down and look at the barn." He had been telling me of this big barn down the road for a long time. His neighbor is not using it. Because I am close to the prime/paint stage he would like me to get the bus out of the weather to finish my project. In his shop the tail end sits outside. So I am very happy and grateful for his help. After looking at the barn I think it will hold 10 buses, it's huge. He said "Enough room for ya?", and laughed.
I was thrilled and thought I should go ahead and move her because it's looks dark and nasty out. Finally looks like we are getting some much needed rain.
I pick up all of my tools and procede to crank the ole trusty DD up...........
I went to start the bus after cooking my batts for a couple of days.........NOTHING BUT CLICKS......I even had more than 14 volts going to the starter..........I left my bat cables hooked up while on was working in Europe, and just had the switch turned off.......Not a wise decision I found out.......
I pulled the starter....that bugger is heavy.....cleaned the connections and gave it a whirl....NOTHING but a hum...... :'(
I took the starter down to a shop to have it looked over. My solenoid is fried....I got it back from him late yesterday all cleaned and fixed.....Even though I thought my batts were OK he seems to think that I have one or both bad. Under load they would just not give enough juice to crank. This is what he thinks fried the solenoid, too low a voltage. These g31's are two years old, bought them in California before moving to Texas. Interstate brand, he says Interstate is not a good battery, won't last long in the heat. Hot in Texas this year! Go figure! ;)
I had the starter rebuilt in California about 4 years ago. Twice now I have had to manhandle that thing! >:(
I'll run down to Sam's Club and buy a couple of g31's, install the starter and I'll bet she fires without a problem.
Aren't these beasts fun? ;D
I know you are frustrated with your bus. It's like any other old vehicle except they are much bigger and more costly. Sit on your desire to sell it for a while. After you get the things fixed you mentioned you might fall in love all over again.
Just take it out for a spin and smile, you'll see. :)
Good Luck,
Paul
Don't let others pressure you into a rushed decision.
Ask them to back off & let YOU sort it all out. If you decide to keep her, fine. If you decide to part ways, also fine (the bus, that is ;) ).
If you have a place to park it for a while, that'd be my suggestion to allow things to come together inside your head so you can form a plan to attain your goal of using your bus in your work travels (which most here believe is a good idea.)
Good luck!
Chaz,
I agree with the rest. The main thing is to give yourself some time to reason out all your thoughts before making a final decision. Of course, almost everyone here would say "Keep the Bus", but only you know all the factors involved and only you can make that decision. Regardless of what that decision is, you are always welcome here. You will not be "black balled". Heck, this BB would be more boring without colorful writers such as you. Jack
Chaz
THESE OLD BUSSES ARE KINDA LIKE WOMEN,
YOU JUST HAVE TO LOVE THEM TO KEEP THEM
AROUND.
Catskinner!
Sonnie & Patti Gray
72 0/5 Eagle 3406 Cat
Pottsboro, Texas
I have a suggestion for anyone dealing with a spouse that prefers motels/hotels. Next time you check into one and sit down on the bed, innocently ponder out loud, "I wonder how many people have had sex on this bedspread since the last time it was washed?" That should about do it I would think.
And if they think the blanket and bedspread gets changed each time, suggest watching housekeeping work the next day. You will see the housekeepers hauling lots of sheets to their laundry, but not many blankets and bedspreads.
Quote from: Catskinner! on August 07, 2008, 06:26:09 AM
Chaz
THESE OLD BUSSES ARE KINDA LIKE WOMEN,
YOU JUST HAVE TO LOVE THEM TO KEEP THEM
AROUND.
Catskinner!
Sonnie & Patti Gray
72 0/5 Eagle 3406 Cat
Pottsboro, Texas
I thought they weren't like women: ::)
Mine stays where I left it. - The bus, that is. :o
I like the whine comming from the bus. 8)
The bus isn't worried about weight. 8)
& best of all,
The bus is cheaper! 8) :o
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: HighTechRedneck on August 07, 2008, 06:43:40 AM
I have a suggestion for anyone dealing with a spouse that prefers motels/hotels. Next time you . . . .
Next time you check out, leave something behind (of hers, of course) ;D
OR, about an hour down the road, start worring about all the stuff you are 'sure' you forgot about & left behind. . . . ;D ;D ;D
That forgetting stuff is what helped win mine over to taking our own bed with us.
Having instant toilet access didn't hurt either ;D
Hello!
My first coach was a '54 PD-4104 and it had a 6-71 and a manual tranny. I swore I'd never have another crash box tranny and I hated her from day one! Ornery, cantankerous old fart! That thing would never start and it never started for me one time without jumping it off! I couldn't afford a Mirage so I get the next best thing, an MCI! I know it's not good for them to sit around but I've let her sit for six months, pushed the button and it was running before I even had the button pressed all the way down. It could sit for a year and it would fire right up! Of course you'd have to shot "Jimmy" with a 44 Magnum to stop him from "Screaming"! It only has 48K miles which has a little to do with it I guess. I just keep the main switch off when it is not running. I serviced the batteries last year and haven't touched them as I haven't had to. I did buy a 24 volt heavy duty smart charger off eBay from a boat owner who never used it. It cost about $500.00 or more and I got it for like $75.00!
Bye! :)
Quote from: JeffsMagicBus on August 07, 2008, 07:10:57 AM
Hello!
I couldn't afford a Mirage so I get the next best thing, an MCI!
I feel so insulted!!! I could afford a Mirage but I wanted the "BEST"
Just adding another comment. This deals with a negative aspect of human nature. Even if you decide to get rid of the bus, be careful how and when you do it. Be aware that when you get an idea in the future, someone will say, "Why that's a dumb idea. It's just like the time you bought that bus you had to get rid of." I have found that even loved ones are not above using your past against you in a heated argument.
I am not saying to keep it if you don't want it, just be really graceful and creative in its moving on. Maybe make it seem like it was a real money maker or something.
Quote from: Lin on August 07, 2008, 09:35:08 AM
Be aware that when you get an idea in the future, someone will say, "Why that's a dumb idea. It's just like the time you bought that bus you had to get rid of." I have found that even loved ones are not above using your past against you in a heated argument.
Spouses are the absolute most notorious for this tactic. They can be the nicest person you know, but when a disagreement arises, their human nature will drive them to use their knowledge of you against you. Likewise human nature will drive your response. Wrecks a lot of marriages.
As others have said, don't make a sudden decision based on what we say, or what a non busnut says. Keep in mind, both sides are biased. Discuss your feelings about it with people of both perspectives, then weigh their advise for a while. Don't be too quick to give up on your dream. The things most worth achieving are not done easily. And dreams given up, even volutarily, can cause resentment later.
Installed the starter this morning along with two new G31's. She fired up quickly! And after such a bad day yesterday. :'(
Sometimes you have to make lemonade out of lemons. ;D
As others have said, Think about your decision before making one. Don't let anyone influence you. Be happy you made the right choice.
You will always be welcome here no matter what happens!
Good Luck My Friend,
Paul
Chaz,
Wifey prefers to stay in a hotel??? Separate beds? Sounds like the perfect end to a perfect plan that has come together. You ol'e fox you! Then each of you could "go home" when you individually ran out of your separate budget. Wow! The possibilities are endless. You have a dog, right? Lot'sa beer? Hummmmmm!
I know where of I speak. If you think you are living a stressful life then that isn't just true it is dangerously true. For you to get into that here sounds like a scream for help....don't ask me why I would think that. So get the help you need....drugs from a Dr. or bonyfide shrink and follow their advice. Not a Ky-row-prakter even though the lit says they can cure depression and diabetes with spinal manipulation. Follow instructions and you may be surprised to hear "keep the bus hobby" or keep the separate room to use to decompress and meditate. I can't offer you "real" advice as my medical credentials are worth exactly what I paid for them and that's ZIP. You didn't call a dentist to resolve your DD problems so don't get help from a mech. for head problems. I'm the mech in that example.
Good luck my friend. There are many others reading between the lines on your posts and your being among friends you should write often...it helps.
John
So Chaz, yas iz hav'n a problem or 2. OK I got a great Idea for ya. Wanna by a charter bus company? Now hold on a minute think it over, while I tell ya what ya get here!
OK let's start with
(1) '95 SETRA S217HDH (45' 59 passenger 60 series/b500)
(1) '91 SETRA S215HDH (40' 51 passenger 8V92 DDEC/748)
(1) '89 SETRA S215HDH (same as above)
(1) '86 MCI 102A3 (6V92TA/740 reman engine has just under 100,000 documented miles)
(2) '85 MCI 96A3's (6V92/740 1 we know the past 15 yrs history, the other all we know is we just bought it & it runs like a BOH!)
And our complete customer list! Plus any parts on the shelf!
Now for the bad the worst thing is dealing with drivers! PIA's! (the buses don't talk back!)
OK also the S215HDH's are not service ready at the moment. But 1 is very close to it! The other? Wellllllll! (you get the idea!)
also the 102A3 has a busted engine cradle frame network and is about to drop the engine and trany somewhere in the middle of the road! LOL!
The S217HDH (my personal bus) runs and runs good!
Both 96A3's run great! The one we have no history on runs like a BOH (bat outta hell!) We ain't never seen such a good run'n 6V92! That goes for the 7 buse we have (or had) and the 20+ my uncle Robert owned when he was in the biz!
So if ya thinks ya got problems, think about it this way. "It could be worse! I could have BK's problems! LOL!"
;D BK ;D
BK
Did you every get the non running bus from Idaho?
Skip
Quote from: skipn on August 07, 2008, 03:07:32 PM
BK
Did you every get the non running bus from Idaho?
Skip
Interesting you ask, my associate and I have made arrangements to buy a BIG wrecker we found in NE and plan to go straight on out and pick it up from NE when we complete the deal! So should be home this month! ;D BK ;D
Chaz
I know how you feel -- sorta -- nobody knows exactly. My bus went to the shop in may and I just kept crossing off the trips I was gonna take this summer til now. Haven't been on a trip yet in the bus. I was hoping to have it home to use as a guest room for a weekend with out of town guests - not a chance -- still in the shop. I remember how much fun it is to drive so I'm holding out to get behind the wheel.
Good luck on what ever you decide.
Melbo
I appreciate all you guys sharing your stories with me to show me I'm not the only one with such issues. But the difference is in my head. And lets just say I don't wish to share it all, just the fact that the stress from this is kinda more than I can handle. I'm dealing with stuff that, yeah, a normal man could do standing on their head. And altho I have no problem standing on my head, it's the rest of the stuff that's working me over. (Plus I have to get my parents household ready for auction since Dad passed away almost a year ago. It's like selling my life and memories. And I'm a sentimental idiot.)
So basically, I am staying true to "the norm of Chaz" in that I just have too much on my plate. I have to somehow learn to say "no" in a polite way and try to back down and take it easy. And altho that kinda sounds like a cliche', I REALLY DO have to learn that. I have no idea how to relax. I don't think I ever did. When I was younger I had the "fun stuff" ::) to slow me down. Unfortunately, I gave all that up 25 years ago. Hell, I don't even drink except for an occasional glass of wine.
Anyway, 'nuff of that. It's my problem and I will do what i can with it. I still believe having and using a bus is about as cool a thing a person - especially one like me - can do. I had some real high hopes of cruisin around down south and west in the winter. But this is usually more how it works.
PLEASE don't start feelin sorry for me or any of that stuff. I feel like I am putting forth WAAAAAY more than I should. Fact is, I am a very fortunate person in many ways. MANY WAYS!!! I just have to start managing life better. For some, it's easy - like for me to stand on my head :) - but for me, it's tough. It's just the way life works.
Again, I don't want this to sound like some sort of sob story - as it sounds like that to me - but rather more of an explanation because you guys have been SOOOOOOO good to me. You really have and I owe you that. You have no idea how good it feels for me when someone helps me out. It's almost embarrassing. It can even be to the point where I feel bad about it. I need to be the one who helps and gives.
So this is it for me and personal stuff. I've said more than I am comfortable with. But I just thought you should know a little. I owe you that so you don't think I'm some sort of "fly by night" loser who was never really into having a bus in the first place, but it was just a whim. (counting my schoolie, I've had a bus for almost 20 years. But the schoolie with a small block was easier to handle) So from now on, I'd like to keep it to bus's and trips and fun, etc. That's what we are here for and it's fantastic! Absolutely fantastic!
Thanx again, guys,
Chaz
Chaz
A mans gotta do what a mans gotta do for himself and his family And only you know what is best.
The best to you and your family
Chaz,
Regardless of your final decision, you will always be welcome here. Jack
Chaz,
At least you know we will always want you around....... ;D
Bus or Not!
On the other hand, if I get rid of the bus,
Well......Lets just say I don't want to find out...... :o .....LOL
Hang in there Buddy
Cliff
"But then Linda probably has an anterior motive in her wanting to see it go.............she doesn't like camping"
Wife number two, told me that AFTER all the work, money, and time spent to take the family camping. That should have been a clue. Year's later, only solution was to get rid of wife number two, problem solved, no stress, new lady in my life LOVES camping, and most everything I like, life is good.
Consider all your options, tomorrow is not guaranteed!
Quote from: FloridaCliff on August 12, 2008, 01:00:26 PM
On the other hand, if I get rid of the bus,
Well......Lets just say I don't want to find out...... :o .....LOL
Cliff
Cliff,
If you got rid of your bus, you would not have to worry about that. When Julie and the kids got done with you, there would not be anything left of you. LOL Jack
PS: SE Cruisers are having another rally at Florida Flywheeler (2nd weekend of November)
Quote from: JackConrad on August 13, 2008, 02:16:56 PM
Cliff,
If you got rid of your bus, you would not have to worry about that. When Julie and the kids got done with you, there would not be anything left of you. LOL Jack
PS: SE Cruisers are having another rally at Florida Flywheeler (2nd weekend of November)
Just got my newsletter, Flywheelers for sure, Rays I am making a deal to attend, hopefully......
Cliff
Quote from: FloridaCliff on August 13, 2008, 03:25:20 PM
SE Cruisers are having another rally at Florida Flywheeler (2nd weekend of November)
Just got my newsletter, Flywheelers for sure, Rays I am making a deal to attend, hopefully......
Cliff[/quote]
Great! Hopefully you can make Ray & Sally's too. Tell Julie not to forget her banjo. Lookin' forward to seein' ya'll. Jack
Jack please tell me more about Ray and Sally's get together!
Ace
Quote from: Blacksheep on August 13, 2008, 03:59:08 PM
Jack please tell me more about Ray and Sally's get together!
Ace
Ace,
I sent you an email with the SE Cruisers Newsletter attached. This will be a small rally with no "events" planned, just relaxin' & visitin'. Well, I am sure there will be some pickin' also. So far about 10-12 coaches. Jack
Thanks Jack!
Ace