Diesel at a station down the street is now at $4.39. It was as high as $4.79 or $4.89. I haven't filled the bus since last year and now I am glad I waited even though I only need maybe 30 gallons. A gas price website is reporting $4.28 at one station, but I don't believe that one. I was figuring $5 a gallon for my trips this year and hoping that prices didn't exceed that.
Interesting that some places out west are paying about the same for gasoline now as I am for diesel.
Quote from: belfert on July 25, 2008, 07:24:29 AM
Diesel at a station down the street is now at $4.39. It was as high as $4.79 or $4.89. I haven't filled the bus since last year and now I am glad I waited even though I only need maybe 30 gallons. A gas price website is reporting $4.28 at one station, but I don't believe that one. I was figuring $5 a gallon for my trips this year and hoping that prices didn't exceed that.
Interesting that some places out west are paying about the same for gasoline now as I am for diesel.
We've had petrol prices drop this week by between 2p and 5p a litre (around 16-40c per gallon), but today one of the big power companies have put electricity prices by 17%, and gas (ie. gas, not petrol) up by 22% - with apparently several more increases due this year.
Jeremy
Same thing in Quebec, Canada. The price has droped at 1.509$/ a liter. It was at 1.609$/ a liter.
I think that USA can regulate this situation. USA has a power and all people, american and canadian, have a power to broke this situation. The company of petroleum are thief...I don't understand why all people accept this situation whitout action....
My coach is diesel. My car (VW New Beetle) is diesel too. I drive at 55 mi on the highway and I respect the limit speed on the others roads...Of course, my consumption is less and I don't want to encourage this thief!!!! But, I have not choice. My house is at 50 miles of my work and I need a car for working...
I paid $4.89/gal the other day. It would have to go down another 40% so I could feel that I was merely getting raped.
40% less would be just under $3 a gallon. You know, last October prices were just under $3 for diesel.
I'm certainly not saying I like paying $4.39, but a lot better than $4.89. The most I ever paid was $4.69. I only fill about every two weeks or more.
Quote from: Le Mirage on July 25, 2008, 09:00:49 AM
Same thing in Quebec, Canada. The price has droped at 1.509$/ a liter. It was at 1.609$/ a liter.
I think that USA can regulate this situation. USA has a power and all people, american and canadian, have a power to broke this situation. The company of petroleum are thief...I don't understand why all people accept this situation whitout action....
My coach is diesel. My car (VW New Beetle) is diesel too. I drive at 55 mi on the highway and I respect the limit speed on the others roads...Of course, my consumption is less and I don't want to encourage this thief!!!! But, I have not choice. My house is at 50 miles of my work and I need a car for working...
Fear not! People are taking action...consumer response is about to force FoMoCo out of business, GM is under tremendous pressure...Chrysler has atrophied. Thousands and thousands of jobs lost and they won't be coming back. Maybe the 'wind power' folk need some ex-autoworkers?
Tiny cars, electric plug-ins, and any vehicle that gets good fuel mileage is in high demand. The market for gas guzzlers has died.
Less miles are being driven, and less fuel is being used. Indeed, consumer actions are speaking loud and clear.
Loss of fuel sales are a problem for oil companies. We are now using less fuel than US refining production. This is a new phenomena.
The only problem with American energy relates to our stupid govenment allowing cultures sworn to our destruction to control US energy production.
Well, then there's our stupid labour unions (UAW) that vote solid Democratic Pary...all the while the Dems, with their anti-petrol position, are idly killing off American auto production jobs..and may be killing off American auto producers too...duh! Just how dumb does it get! :-[
JR
Unfortunately, the 'Less miles being driven' phenomenon won't last long once prices stabilize again. I've noticed an increase in mindless wandering starting back up already, and the price has just dropped below $4/gal ::) We'll be back to $5/gal before you know it! :'(
The experts predict that we won't start to see much increase in demand until gas prices hit $3 a gallon (if they ever do again).
Even the $3.59 prices we are seeing some at some stations in Minneapolis is still killing a lot of folk's budgets. Also, many people have made lasting changes in fuel consumption like buying a smaller car, moving closer to work, or taking the bus.
They are currently overhauling the oil pumping equipment in and around texas that was shut down in the 70 s so they could buy foreign oil, we got it good from our government on that one. now they are worried but see that change needs to come. At least there are a lot of jobs here avail. deisel is the biggest joke of all since it is a byproduct and costs very little to get to the pump. the prices are what they are because the oil companies are aloowed to do whatever they choose unchecked. check out oil companies profits, they are trying to get us to except these prices and feel good about a small degreese while the whole conuntry suffers for it (not the rich)) put another oil man in the white house and expect more of the same. Mccain is a bush clone
Frank Alllen
I alwasys take the bus ;D.
I went to Columbia, SC friday night and stayed at the Flying J in the rv section. I was the only one there. Wow, what a relief, two years ago it would have been full of stick and staples by 4 pm. So maybe there is a good side to the fuel prices after all.
JR,
Republicans have been in charge the past seven years while all these oil prices skyrocketed.
Do you recall that all this "Energy Policy" was cooked up by your buddy Dick and his oil buddies?
You need to cut back on your dosage of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh!!
That's right the gas price lever is in the Oval Office, right next to the one for Global Warming and don't forget the Hurricane Generator. Now if they could just get the one installed to make the liberals disappear I could log on and read about buses rather than someones political tripe.
Brandon,
I don't believe that a liberal posted the first bit of "political tripe"!!
Gus,
I think you are being unfair. First, everyone knows that there is no such thing as Fox "News". And second, no one listens to that hypocrite Limbaugh since he got busted as a junkie. Back on topic though, do you really think that the president and the government have the power to take on the oil companies? No, George and Dick mean well but are powerless before the mighty lords of oil. They are victims just like us.
Gus,
Sorry to use your logic, but fuel prices didn't skyrocket until the Dems took over
Congress. Therefore, the key to higher prices is a Republican White house and a Democratic Congress. ;)
No matter where we try and put the blame the buck stops in the oval office.
OK lets get back to Buses.
Quote from: gus on July 27, 2008, 07:38:17 PM
JR,
Republicans have been in charge the past seven years while all these oil prices skyrocketed.
Do you recall that all this "Energy Policy" was cooked up by your buddy Dick and his oil buddies?
You need to cut back on your dosage of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh!!
Noooooo, actually, the energy buck stops with the party of environmentalists.
Had the energy policy been planned and executed according to Bush and Cheny, we would have oil holes everywhere.
Exactly whom is it that blocks energy production? This is a test. Think about it carefully.
Oil prices have spiked during the Dem's tenure. The house of Saud and Chavez knew that with Dem control of congress our country would bend over and take it. They have been proven correct.
I gotta get back to Limbaugh! He's the 'junkie' that no one listens to...the one that just negotiated a $100 mil contract... ;D
We appear to have a good many pseudo-environmentalists owning buses...that's an oxmoron.
And I'm a pro drilling, put an oil well and nuke plant anywhere sort of guy...yet, I drive a plug-in EV. Unless bus'n, may not buy $20 bucks worth of fuel a month...that's an oxymoron too.
Anyone want to bet, if the price of oil remains proximal to $4 bucks a gallon, that the Dems are going to have problems with the next election?
Anyone want to talk about labor unions? Or religion? ;)
Cheerio, JR
I really love the plug it in and drive crowd. It does not take much to just wonder if the power grids can absorb the energy demand. If all the cars in the us started plugging in tomorrow I can assure everyone that there lights will go out. Please give it some some thought. John
OK John, what exactly are your ideas for saving energy?????
And not just saving but also producing energy for our future?
do you really think that we as a country can plug in every car for every person?
what are you doing to conserve energy?
what do you think our nations energy policy should look like?
this energy problem has not just happened overnight with no warning you know. IF we as a people had any balls our elected officials would not wimper and give in unrealisticly to the wacko enviromental LOBBIES.
now Iam not talking about being stupid when it comes to our and the grandkids future enviroment But balancing our realistic energy needs with our enviroment
PLEASE Answer these questions for all of us to better understand your position
we drive a Prius also a CNG Chevy and a Honda CNG and a Scooter
What are you doing to help our kids???
Thanks
Chris
Funny thing about those electric cars... In the Atlanta area, our power grid is based on coal-burning power plants. So, driving an electric vehicle actually produces MORE pollution and burns more fossil fuel than most modern gasoline engines of similar power.
You need to be educated on the reality of power production and use of same
first of all, not all cars do or will plug into coal fired power plants we have many sources of electricity in this country
second of all, that coal fired plant has LESS emissions than a internal combustion automobile
third of all, the grid will not go down and the lights will not go out even if all cars were to be plugged in. did you know that Power plants sit idling at night (using fuel) just waiting for you to turn on your coffee pot? talk about a waste of rescources. why not plug in your car?
you need to look at the Department of Energy website which takes into consideration the emission output to reach the MPG FIGURES FOR ALL CARS
Including Electric powered
electric cars use less power and make less waste even considering the whole life cycle
I stand corrected re:Limbaugh. There goes that old theory that drug addicts lack motivation and are a burden on their mothers. I guess if we were drug addicts too, we would not have to even think about fuel prices.
Mr Moderators where are you it is time this political thread is locked.
Eagle, I for one do not believe that this thread is political. why do think it is?
Chris
Not political? Are we reaading the same thread? Upwards of 80% of the responses are political by my reading.
I started this thread as a simple comment on diesel price dropping and didn't want it to get political.
Bet you won't do that again will you Brian
Your absolutely right Brian. It is in no way on topic. Once a thread begins to politicize, there is very little hope it will clean up. I am as guilty as anyone for this. Sorry.
I responded to JR's right-wing repeat of all the garbage put out by Bush and Dick Company. I was so amazed that there are still people left in the US who believe this stuff and that nobody challenged it. I don't want JR to think that everyone believes this stuff.
The condition of this country right now is evidence enough. I knew someone would blame it on the Demos even though Bush has had the helm, or at least thinks he does, for seven years. Sorry folks, but when it happens on your watch you get the blame or credit, whichever is due.
The high price of fuel and food, people out of jobs and the housing collapse are real life results of Bush leadership.
I don't think anyone ever pretended this string was on topic, nothing about fuel prices ever is! I agree that the moderator should control this stuff, the first tirade should have been deleted or moved.
QuoteMr Moderators where are you it is time this political thread is locked.
QuoteI agree that the moderator should control this stuff,
Typical.....
People's political beliefs are overpowering. Since it is the case the we personally have no control over what happens, political postings can be viewed as ventilation which is not a bad thing. On this board, we have people that blame either Demos or Repubs for the problems. This is not as bad as another board where there is a very mechanically knowledgeable gentlemen that seems to hold Al Gore (remember him) personally responsible for everything and includes these comments in his otherwise valuable posts. I suppose that since we are admittedly "nuts" as members of the subcategory "busnuts", we are allowed to act somewhat nutty in other ways too.
A nation of 300 million people and our lives are controlled by 537 people from both parties figure that one out but it is better than 1 and now back to busing
My personal feeling is that as long as the topic does not degrade into a flaming war, then I enjoy hearing the personal belief of others even though I disagree with their views.
I am very pleased that for several months now we have not had anyone flaming someone for their beliefs.
Richard
well in a feeble attempt to get this back to fuel prices, I had to drive up to Michigan for the weekend in my car. on thursday on the way up the best price was in middle Ohio at $3.55 gal for regular. diesel was around $4.57 best I saw. on Monday on the way back I found regular for $3.42 gal and diesel was $4.45.
Georgia, Tenneessee, Kentucky and Michigan were all fairly similar at $3.80 or so and $4.60 respectively.
Steve
Well I am glad there dropping!
Just found out that our family reunion will be in Hinkley, Minnesota this time.
Branson, MO or Helen, GA and Pensacola, FL all lost out in.
Central FL to Hinkley is a heck of a bus trip for a four day gathering.
About 1700.00 in fuel at 4.75.
I haven't flown anywhere except for work since I bought my first RV.
But 1400 miles each way, may make me fly.......And I hate to do it...... >:(
Cliff
On my way back home from a trip to the Red River Valley in NW Minnesota and at noon i fueled up at Erskine Mn at a Tesoro for 4.299. DAMN but that felt good! I never thought i would be so happy about paying 4.30 a gallon though. BTW, Erskine is about 1 hour west of Bemidji on Hwy 2.
I sure am glad our politicians figured out how to make the prices drop. They are so wonderful! What would we do without them? ::)
I guess some here may remember back in the Fifties when they had TV programs like "Our Friend the Atom" and were saying that by the end of the twentieth century energy would be so cheap that they would not even bother to meter electricity anymore. As you can see, both that prediction and the flying cars have come true.
Cliff
sorry to hear Helen, Georgia lost out. it is about 25 minutes from the house. pretty little bavarian town and lots of fun.
steve
I just returned from vacation, on the way down the highest price I saw was 5.00 a gallon. One week later on the way home in Virginia the lowest price was 4.34 a gallon.........oil dropped again today......I'm hearing it will drop to 100 dollars a barrel by Sept or earlier..........Americans are using 850,000 barrels less everyday according to the Energy Department, not only are we using less but so is everyone else cutting back............this is great stuff.......Let the arabs eat their oil.......lets have a national energy policy that encompasses all energy sources! I for one am tired of being controlled by the middle east and their craziness and their oil! The people responsible are those in Washington on "both" sides!
Quote from: compedgemarine on July 29, 2008, 02:57:01 PM
Cliff
sorry to hear Helen, Georgia lost out. it is about 25 minutes from the house. pretty little bavarian town and lots of fun.
steve
Steve,
It may have lost out for the reunion, but its on our short list of next stops.
I will try to get ahold of you if we get up there this year...Probably in a cooler month......
Cliff
Fuel costs are coming down because drivers, in the last 7 month, have driven 40 BILLION miles less. Americans ain't stupid. Some may be, but most are permanently altering their driving habits.
This effect has sent the feds into a tizzy. The fuel tax is off by a whopping amount and they are trying to figure out how to replace the lost revenue.
Get ready for toll roads, and other creative 'fees'. The feds aren't likely to raise fuel taxes this year due to the election. They ain't stupid either.
A person that trades their Expedition for a Prius isn't going to go back to an Expedition any time soon. The auto market cannot retool for tiny fuel efficient vehicles fast enough.
This is a remarkable change when one considers that the US uses 25% of the world petrol production. However, we also produce almost 30% of the world GDP. We have global impact.
Add to the mix that the US is the marketplace for the countries that compete for crude...and who knows. We sneeze, they get sick. Without our marketplace, they don't need oil. We may find a barrel of oil dropping precipitously in the near future. That would be nice for us bus owners (back on topic eh?).
In the past, every time the market started reacting to high fuel prices, the prices came down suddenly. I've often wondered if this wasn't planned to interrupt permanent change in driving habit. Seems they may be too late this time.
I live near the NC/SC boarder. Most of the diesel that I buy comes from SC since they are often sell the lowest priced diesel in the country. North Carolina state fuel tax is usery! All of us 'boarder' residents buy fuel in SC. Good thing RVs aren't apportioned.
BTW, Gus, JR don't believe 'everyone' believes any particular line. About half the country is, to some degree, a right-wing busnut (Mom and apple pie), and the other half is made up of...well....collectivist zealots (AlGore and T. Boone Pickens. Both of whom will pick the taxpayer's bones clean!).
I'm not at all a fan of Bush/Cheney. I am positively not a fan of 'Cap'nTrade' Reid/Pelosi. I personnally believe that they are all buffoons. Reid/Pelosi/AlGore are downright dangerous...IMHO. Still, I come down on the side of least government intervention. The market will take care of itself. Sometimes it ain't clean and neat, but it works best. Government by fiat is a disaster in the making.
Witness the unexpected reduction in fuel use. The feds didn't expect that hit. Too damn bad.
Regarding Rush Limbaugh...he's OK. But Limbaugh isn't far enough to the 'right' for me. I'm a Mark Levin fan...check him out on XM sometime. You'll love Rush in comparison...! ;)
For the sake of sanity of the board, I'll bow out now. I promise!
Politik that relates to the cost of bus ownership should be fair game. Let the chips fall where they may!
No matter how you shake it, one has to agree that the Democrat Party and their environmental cabal have blocked all forms of energy production in this country for years. That is not an arguable point. What we use for fuel is arguable. And I'm open to any suggestion. The environmentals are actively blocking wind-gen here in the NC mountains and Martha's Vinyard, coal in any form, hydroelectric in Georgia, nukes anywhere, any production of oil drilling or mining, and often even building transmission lines. Their idea of a perfect world would be to resurrect the 1700s. Of course, the envrionmentals would be strongly against horse emissions.
T. Boone Pickens says we cannot 'drill our way out' of the shortage...maybe not, but we aren't going to 'wind-gen' or 'solar' panel our way out either. At the least, drilling might bridge the problem. It'll damn sure scare the sheets off the Arabs.
They keep talking about 2030...I'll be dead and buried by that time. What about 5 years from now...let's talk about energy in 5 years. I know...that's narcissistic. Sorry.
Hey, the bright side, since my EV is such an polluter, I've got a few horses here....I'm ready for the new America! Does that suit? ;D
DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW! JR ;D
Quote
Steve,
It may have lost out for the reunion, but its on our short list of next stops.
I will try to get ahold of you if we get up there this year...Probably in a cooler month......
Cliff
Cliff, what about around October? October the 4th weekend? Just be a short hop (relatively ?) to Palmetto Cove?
Be nice to see you guys again! Bring the 'fireplace'!
JR
Quote from: NJT5047 on July 29, 2008, 08:21:02 PM
Cliff, what about around October? October the 4th weekend? Just be a short hop (relatively ?) to Palmetto Cove?
Be nice to see you guys again! Bring the 'fireplace'!
JR
JR,
I am trying to figure out that trip too!
I have the diverter plate we designed (for the fire pit) at the last non-rally in production...
Cliff
well if you wait till October then Octoberfest will be starting up in Helen. it is a bavarian town afterall. Helen has alot of events going for Octoberfest so it should be fun.
steve
Quote from: compedgemarine on July 29, 2008, 08:30:09 PM
well if you wait till October then Octoberfest will be starting up in Helen. it is a bavarian town afterall. Helen has alot of events going for Octoberfest so it should be fun.
steve
Yeah Cliff! Just think of the fuel you'll save by coming up thru NC in early October, and that'll leave you in an excellent 'jumping off' position for the Ocktoberfests...literally everywhere up here..and Georgia.
What the hey, Kyle said we could rename the Non-Rally to Ocktoberfest Non-Rally...!
What's the deal with 'production?' Are you selling the steel furnace? How much for a reasonable facsimile? We might want one of those portable fire pits! I could start saving today...and there's financing....! ;)
Hope y'all make it up! Julie's one of the few people that stay up as late as I typically do.
Gonna have a picking session Sat evening too...bring your bango...is Julie still playing? The same bango player that was there last year is returning. He's an excellent banjo picker...does a lot of progressive stuff. We can crack off a few on Thursday or Friday too....gitrdone!
I've already bought fuel for that trip. Is that 'hedging'? Only have two trips planned this fall. Denton Bluegrass festival, and Palmetter Cove. We just returned from one hot festival that, othe than the heat, was great. I did more picking there than at most major festivals. They had Rhonda Vincent (major babe dude!) and Nothin Fancy. There were some other really good bands there too....got CRS...sorta like alzhiemers...but not exactly the same.
AS long as I can find the steering wheel and keys, I can drive! The bus. ;D
JR
cliff, if your on your way thru NC to minnisquito, you can stop by and visit near cleveland. until it gets below $4, we ain't goin nowhere. 30 amp plug in and the misquitos are smaller than MN.
to save money, i followed jack conrad's advice which at the time sounded great. he said he keeps his tank full becuase it was higher the next time he took a road trip. so our last bluegrass show, we filled up at $4.749. of course, me filling the tank caused a drop in the oil price. Next trip, it will no doubt go up until after i refill the tank.
hey, anyone got any good recommendations for brands of additives for the ulsd that are easily available? if this is what's call hijacking, someone say so and i'll start a new thread.