When a bus nut can't leave home without some low life breaking in and
robbing them of their personal. Belongings! What's worse is the bastard/s came back the very next night and took more stuff! That's pretty ballsy if you ask me. We think it's a neighbor who knows the bus is and has been gone! They took tv's, sat receivers, jewelry boxes, tools , camera, and did damage to windows and doors!
Man if you only knew how to catch them in the act! The owners have been contacted and have been forced to shorten their stay away from home and will return tommorrow!
Goes to show what low lifes will do for a little money!
BS
Thats terrible, was it someone here on the board that got robbed?
Sorry to hear that had happen to them. Probably for gas money? ? ? Did they break window to get in?
Sojourn for Christ, Jerry
Yes they come here some but more on BNO.
It just irks the hell out of me to think your home is being watched when they obviously know your gone when they see the bus gone! It's not like these people were on a pleasure trip! They work out of their bus!
Trying to figure out if they (the crooks) are planning to return since the tv was set on the floor.
Looks like they rode up on a golf cart in the dark, did the job and rode off! One suspect in the neighborhood has a golf cart and has been suspect in a local motorhome gas stealing episode but was never proven guilty! Cops know they are local druggies and don't work! They are caretakers for a larger spread on the same street!
BS
I heard there is an older guy in Texas who is pretty good at watching the neighbors stuff!
Grant
What happened to good old Tom Horn anyway? When I get to buying a house again I'm going to put a "beware of neighbor" sign up. Then an extra mailbox with the name Tom Horn on it ;D
Its sad when people can't wait for someone to go somewhere so they can steal your stuff, up here we still are pretty safe from that, until last year when we hit the road with the bus, we had never locked our doors, I didn't even have any idea where the key was, it hadn't been seen for about 20 years lol, we had to put in new locks. We've left at times for several months and left the doors unlocked and cars in the yard with the keys in the ignition and no problems what so ever. No body seems to bother anything up here, between the neighbors watching out and my daughter checking on the place every couple of weeks we came home to the same mess we left lol. Course with us, if a burgler did break in he would look around and thing someone had beat him to it and maybe even leave us a new tv or stereo lol. I know that places like this are a throw back to earlir times and that crimes like this will catch up with us too but I'm just not looking forward to that day when we become modern too.
Ace, I looked on the BNO board and didn't see anything.
Where is it at?
Thanks
Jack
Quote from: jackhartjr on July 06, 2008, 07:42:53 AM
Ace, I looked on the BNO board and didn't see anything.
Where is it at?
Thanks
Jack
Jack,
I don't think there is anything on the BNO board. Ace was simply stating that this busnut usually post more on BNO than this board. I am sure sorry to hear about this. The couple involved have been one of our main helpers with our Bussin' rallies since the first year. Jack
Ace we had the same thing happen to us. They saw the bus was gone (hard to miss) and broke a basement window in the back yard to gain entry. We have an alarm system so as soon as they moved into the house they set off a motion detector and the alarm (real loud) and run out of the house in a big hurry. Cops were there in 5 min of the alarm going off. Nothing was taken.
Ron
A friend of mine belongs to a satellite monitoring company, I'm not sure how it works but he has a vacation home that he watches in real time over the Internet.
Some one vandalized his place and he called and they checked back 30 days and caught the people involved, turned it over to the state police.
It is something like globe explorer, 20 bucks a month again I'm not sure.
You cant hide someone is watching.
A friend of mine has a similar system that Ed described. He can even move the camers for differant view or angle from anywhere in the world. He showed me and I thought it was pretty neat. Don't remember the name as he got it with his points with Holiday Inn.
I think the one that Ron describes sounded great, big sound to scare away the scumbags!
It's just so sad that people like that exisist.
Paul
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Quote from: jjrbus on July 06, 2008, 06:52:49 AM
What happened to good old Tom Horn anyway? When I get to buying a house again I'm going to put a "beware of neighbor" sign up. Then an extra mailbox with the name Tom Horn on it ;D
He was no billed by the Grand Jury. The Castle Doctrine stands strong in Texas. Yes!!!! Crimminals now have an extra occupational hazard in their illicit jobs.
David
Quote from: David Anderson on July 07, 2008, 07:41:11 AM
He was no billed by the Grand Jury. The Castle Doctrine stands strong in Texas. Yes!!!! Crimminals now have an extra occupational hazard in their illicit jobs.
David
I love Texas justice, especially west Texas.
A few years ago the Florida legislature passed a bill referred to as the "Kill Bill". Essentially it says you have the right o shoot anyone that forcibly breaks into your home or car if you are in the the house/car at the time. You cannot be held civilly or criminally liable for your actions to to protect yourself and your loved ones. After this bill passed, home invasions and car jackings dropped significantly. Jack
I wonder if California ever wised up with a law like that. When I lived out there they had several cases where the home owner was prosecuted for using lethal force against an intruder. The law at that time specified that the home owner could use lethal force if they had sufficient reason to believe their life was in jeopardy. The controversy in all of the cases was over what constituted sufficient reason. Of course, in an intruder situation, if you wait until you know the intruder is armed before taking action, it's too late.
OK boys and girls, tell the story about Tom Horn, although it looks like he make have hurt or killed an intruder looking at the other posts...if so good for him!
Jack
Man Cleared for Killing Neighbor's Burglars (http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5278638&page=1)
Just wait until the libs get control of the whole mess in DC... We will have the "Ted Kennedy special" that they passed in Mass. going nationwide. According to Mass. law, if a criminal breaks into your house, regardless of whether or not they have a weapon or you believe they have lethal intent, if you have the opportunity to flee the premises and not engage the predator, you are required by law to do so instead of defending your home.
What with the most recent ruling from the Supreme's regarding handguns in DC the NRA is filing suit in Cook County, IL (Chicago) in the hopes of restoring gun owners rights there.
That however doesn't help B & B and their loss. I don't wish to be a party pooper Ace, but considering the fact that they can afford not only a nice home and a bus...one might think that they could afford an alarm system to protect their belongings. Knowing how busy they are..it might not have crossed their minds...but I'll bet it will now!
On the other hand...ya can't beat a junkyard dog or a Mother-in-Law in residence! ;)
Bob
Quote from: JackConrad on July 07, 2008, 08:11:29 AM
A few years ago the Florida legislature passed a bill referred to as the "Kill Bill". Essentially it says you have the right o shoot anyone that forcibly breaks into your home or car if you are in the the house/car at the time. You cannot be held civilly or criminally liable for your actions to to protect yourself and your loved ones. After this bill passed, home invasions and car jackings dropped significantly. Jack
Yup..the good ol Castle Doctrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine
The supreme court just recently re-affirmed personal gun rights as long as you're willing to be in the militia. Ohio just passed a kill-bill that takes effect in september i think.
with diesel and gas prices, layoffs everywhere, and housing shortages, first help your neighbor, then shoot any bastard that tries to rob either of you or the other neighbors. this is a time to stick together and help each other.
Tom,
You got it backwards. The Supremes have recently overturned the Washington, DC NO Gun law. In so doing they affirmed the individuals right to keep andbear arms "without" belonging to a Miletia.
Good news,
John
Tom getting cleared makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Gives me a little hope for the future of America.
I recieved an email recently about the mid west flooding, if you notice on the news there is no one sitting on roof tops with signs saying "save us" No dramatic footage of people looting liquor stores. Al and Jessie are not up there demanding that the Gov do something to help those poor people. Makes me wonder?? No bad guys, lots of guns, different attitude??
JJR,
Might sound like I am quibbling with you but I aint,,,,really. :)
I noticed that there weren't any people on roofs with signs, as you did. I assumed that the ones that needed rescued had been rescued. I also didn't see any looters. I wondered if there weren't any as the National guard was on site quickly and augmenting the police patrols, running helo air rescue ops AND filling sandbags. I saw a Army Major being interviewed during the New Orleans thing and he was furious. Seems he commanded a large National Guard unit that was halted 45 miles outside NO. They sat there for 10(?) days and were then ordered to "go back to base". He said that he and his men watched the looting and pleas for rescue on TV with the rest of the nation and to his credit he was sick about it.
FEMA was responsive this time and got great press coverage and I saw a lot of the Gummint emergency worker interviews. Now the levies did fail and those were built by the Corps of Army Engineers and there were reports around for many years that said that they, the levies, weren't built right and/or were falling into disrepair, like New Orleans. The levies have failed all over the upper Mississippi but not all levies have failed....like New Orleans.
The sick and disabled that were in the hospitals were evacuated by state and fed disaster personnel.....unlike in New Orleans where they were left to die without water, airconditiong(130 degrees inside) or emergency power for medical equipment. The Dr. that stayed in the NO hospital was recently on trial for murder. She was the ONLY DR. IN N.O. THAT STAYED. She and 2 nurses tried to care for all the people that were in intensive and critical care that never got evacuated. They ran out of pain meds, had no supplies or oxygen or anything else except a commitment to do whatever they could do for the sick and dying. She was being tried for killing a terminal patient by administering two different pain meds that were thought to have stopped the mans heart. Turns out that using them together is a judgement call and, in the doses she administered, were not lethal for sure and she had nothing else to give and he had been screaming for a couple days. Cancer does that to even the strongest among us and I hope and pray I never learn that first hand. Now I am glad I live in a country where I can force a powerful and protected MD to stand and defend their actions in a court of law. We sure learned a lot about "how things were" from the testimony in her defense. I watched her testify and she held her head up high and had not the slightest trace of guilt or regret and I think she was even happy to be telling her story in such a media intense environment. Did you see her? What channels do you typically watch? It gripes me that we can't get a hold on the ones that fled the storm and left their patients to die horrible deaths of neglect alone and in darkness. >:(
I saw on the news the other night that the insurance companies were setting up temp offices to process the claims and get construction started as soon as possible in the mid west. Gladdens this old man's heart to see well oiled disaster service machines spring into action and assist those that are in need or even just seriously inconvenienced. Saw a special report on TV the other night where 60%(some big number) of the people displaced (refugees) by the NO affair were still in temp housing with family and friends around the country. They can't return cause there is no housing and the insurance companies aren't paying even to this day. Also had a rough spell down there when somebody discovered that the emergency housing trailers were found to be outgassing dangerous stuff. They evicted the tenants and crushed the trailers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them didn't go back to their roofs with signs. ???
Yes indeedey, things are different in the midwest. ::) And thank God for that.
The only part of what i know about this national disgrace that I learned from FOX was that there were looters. All the rest I got from the other networks and mainly PBS. I feel sure that Major is a private now and also that a man like that wouldn't hold his tongue in spite of knowing that he would be busted. I am sure that Al Sharpton didn't visit the midwest because there wasn't any need for the chubby rascal to make an appearance. He isn't shy about going to funky places and opening his mouth really wide. If all you got out of watching these two disasters unfold was that there are no looters or black activists in the mid west.....you are watching FOX exclusively and way to much of it at that. :o Don't get me wrong now I don't like thieves and looters any more than you or the next man. Those are not the only categories of "evil doers" that really tick me off, however.
I guess a lot of people think that the NO disaster would have been prevented by more guns. After 4 days a group of thousands of desperate NO victims started walking east on the interstate. They had no food or water or medical care. They were met just outside the city limits by a small army of well armed men, uniformed peace officers and civilians, and were given the option of turning around or getting shot. I guess all that talk about guns and drugs in the ghetto is crap because a war didn't start at that point. Had I been the refugee and I was armed I would have left my life there. "Stand aside and let these women and children get food and water or I will open fire". Can there be a better way to go? They make movies about events like that. I sure hope they make a movie about the chosen few that stopped the exodus.
All in fun now JJR, all in fun. Got my conservative hackles up a tad though....see why I like that Major?
OK, OK, bus, fuel, roads transmission. Happy? ;D ;D ;D :P
I think the people in the midwest helped THEMSELVES!!! What I see are towns and people who come together to help their neighbor in a time of disaster. Not waiting around for the Federal Govt to come and save them.
Interesting sides of the story different people have.
What the drive-by media doesn't want is for you to see these are 2 very different cultures & the same actions will have very different results.
New Orleans wasn't the only place on the Gulf coast hit so hard, but it is the only place I saw where helicopters were shot at by "the victims". I also saw a news report early on where the mayor & governor were keeping help out in an effort to encourage those that wanted to stay to leave. THEN when the mayor & gov realized that wasn't working & they had screwed up, they started a media blitz to cast blame elsewhere.
Seems to me it is more productive to help those who help themselves.
When you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
When you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
So, what do you do when someone refuses to learn how to fish? Are they still a helpless victim?
As for moving all the 'invalids' out of the area every time there is a hurricane warning - Just who can afford to? Who has to pay for it? Why did they choose to live there if they should evacuate for hurricane warnings?
I still think if everyone acted responsibly, we wouldn't have a need for guns, police, govt, etc.
Since some don't want to act responsibly, something is needed & it occurs to me that if every responsible person was allowed to carry a gun, then the irresponsible would be forced to do a little more thinking . . . .
We're getting a bit off topic here but Kyle, adding to your point....If Mayor Nagle had allowed the School Buses to be used not only would some people been saved but the buses as well. But, Oh well, they re-elected that dummy again anyway....after he hand carried all those absentee ballots over to Houston for the former residents of the 9th Ward.......
Bob
OK as a FURIOUS Katrina responder, I too have an insight and opinions on these incidents! OK first Katrina hit on Wed. and they immediately began asking for anyone with buses to come help on our local TV stations. But it took me until Sun. to get someone, anyone to tel me yes bring your buses, and where to report to with them. Then once we arrived, it was obvious the damage had been done, and there were way more buses there than needed at this late point. We were directed to huge parking lots where there were literally thousands of other buses just sitting and doing nothing! And what were we directed to do? Sit and wait with the others! After a while, and much complaining from all of the drivers about sitting there doing nothing they started coming up with bogus missions that they would deploy 10-15 of us at a time on. This went on for 2 weeks (living in the buses in those "staging areas" until Rita was approaching, then they started dispatching us to other locations to be assigned for Rita evacuation duties. So yes they were ready and did try to evacuate before Rita.
Now on the midwest floods, they have never once requested buses for evacuation. Any idea why?
#1) The area has a much less population per size area.
#2) The floods grew gradually, not instantly such as when hurricane Katrina (the worst to hit the US in many yrs!) hit.
#3) The National Guard and the local public had already started attempting to fight the floods, by sand bagging and relocating before it became a major disaster situation.
#4) Different class of people living a much different style of life!
So yes there are major differences in the two, but at the same time the gubermnt has learned a very costly and valuable lesson from "Katrina". They do have a plan now, and they do have very many coach operators "on call" for any such needed evacuation missions that should come up in the future! (I am proud to be one offering our coaches should the need arise!)
FWIW ;D BK ;D
Question, what does any of the past storms have to do with a redneck low life neighbor breaking into and stealing your personal belongings ONLY because he knows when your gone since your bus is gone?
I hope everyone can plainly see how topics go astray real quickly! Many friends of mine have often said this why they "read only" and hardly, if ever, post!
BS
Quote from: Blacksheep on July 09, 2008, 09:27:28 AM
Question, what does any of the past storms have to do with a redneck low life neighbor breaking into and stealing your personal belongings ONLY because he knows when your gone since your bus is gone?
I hope everyone can plainly see how topics go astray real quickly! Many friends of mine have often said this why they "read only" and hardly, if ever, post!
BS
Ace your absolutly right it is BS that YOUR thread got hijacked by us unthoughtful folks. And I for one apologize because I didn't even scan back to see what the original topic was. I just added my 2 cents to what was on the last post on it I read, because I do read every thread (and don't complain either way about threads going off topic, or being off topic to start with. But your mileage may vary!) ;D BK ;D
JohnEd, does not seem like quibbling. But you have misread one thing. Many times we read only the printed part of the paper, sometimes we must also read the white and interpet the grey.
The NG, many of whom are decorated, battle hardened, combat veterans were not allowed into New Orleans becuse it was too dangerous ;D ;D ;D
OK tires, transmissions, RotellaT, alarmsystems, 12 mpg.
Quote from: Blacksheep on July 09, 2008, 09:27:28 AM
Question, what does any of the past storms have to do with a redneck low life neighbor breaking into and stealing your personal belongings ONLY because he knows when your gone since your bus is gone?
I hope everyone can plainly see how topics go astray real quickly! Many friends of mine have often said this why they "read only" and hardly, if ever, post!
BS
Sometimes GREAT THINGS come as a result of the topic going astray, sometimes - not so much. . . .
Low-lifes are an ever present nuisance & some (myself included) don't know what to do about it, so we talk about what comes to mind in hopes of finding a good idea or something else to try.
As for the "hardly, if ever posting", the reason I most often hear is to avoid being flamed or being taken out of context. :(
JJR,
REALLY enjoyed you post. ;D ;D I agree! :) Mostly....except fo the 15MPG :o...now I take serious issue with that. ??? ::)
And a good day to you Sir from you fellow Knut,
John
NC Bob I just want to know what the difference is between a junk yard dog and a mother in law in residence.
Most people like the dog ???
We live at the end of a road. It is likely that the only person that would know we are gone is our closest neighbor who is a parolee with a long history of crime, much of it violent. We are on pretty good terms though, he has done some work for me, and he knows of my past in law enforcement. I was thinking of speaking to him before our next trip and asking him to keep watch for strangers at our place. I figure he will know we are gone anyway and, just in case he doesn't realize that he is suspect #1 if anything happens, it would clearly put him in the picture. What do you think?
By the way, as a past resident of New Orleans and having a son the lived there both up to, and after Katrina, whatever you think happened there, it was worse. It is hard to imagine multi-level screw ups like that could happen completely without intention. The situation in the Midwest was really not comparable. Possibly some, having limited news sources and generally being unfamiliar with urban environments, do not fully understand what happened there. Yes, it is known that New Orleans has a high crime rate, and that would suggest that there is a relatively large criminal element, but that is still just a small part of the general population. Please, before passing judgment on others, try to understand the problems. Be careful not to allow racial attitudes to intrude. Even if your generalization were partially accurate, it would be grossly unfair to the vast majority.
Lin,
Thanks for your post. Nice to know that law enforcement was not as negative as they are usually presented. I knew that already, though.
I am not a conspiracy nut and I am sure you aren't either. Your "without intention" comment did not slip by me and I am sure others caught it as well. I agree, of course. There were so many instances where people or entire agencies were held back for no understandable reason other than the higher-ups just wanted to "let it burn to the ground" so to speak. That entire area is a hot bed of Democrats and that's one sick reason. The other is that it is black and that is just as sick. The White House was putting out news briefs that said things were under control and they were not. The one that really floored me was Scott McClellan saying that rescue workers had gotten to the sports stadium and were passing out water and food and that was simply not the truth at all and Browny was mad about that also at the time. People died without need or excuse and I think somebody has to pay for that with their lives if they did it without regard for the lives that were lost.
I think you are going to see a whole pile of pardons when this crew leaves town.
I like your idea of telling your neighbor that you are leaving town and asking him to "keep an eye". I'll bet your ulterior motive isn't lost on the con either. Being paranoid, they turn most everything inside out looking for the hook.
Thanks again for sharing and it is great to hear from a fellow conservative,
John
I wanted to add that the Massachusetts law, if it is true, would probably not hold up on constitutional grounds if it was reviewed in Federal courts. Further, although I assume that everyone knows it, if you ever have to use lethal force to protect yourself, make sure the intruder has a weapon in his hand when the police get there. I once overheard a New Orleans City Attorney (same as a DA) tell a man charged with trespassing that he was lucky he was not in his (the City Attorney's) back yard. He said he would have shot him and put a knife in his hand. It seems that it is standard procedure. Also, if in such a situation, never make any statement without a lawyer's advice. You are the subject of a criminal investigation and can not assume that the police, being good guys, will see you and treat you as another good guy. It is often, frighteningly enough, quite the contrary. They will not necessarily see you as and honest citizen, but rather as a fool for your willingness to talk yourself into a hole.
Ace, to bring this back to your topic and away from the hijacking.....it really is a shame that you can't go away and relax a few days without having to worry about what you have left behind.
BS(Ace),
I thought your original post was about property crime during the owners absence. I pretty much saw the posts following that general direction with maybe a segway into "motive" and underlying causes.( for crime, not travel) You got almost 1,300 views to your subject and 40 replies so it was very popular among the Knuts as a subject and you as a posting Knut. Me included.
Thank you for making this post and bringing it up. Also, thanks to those that took the time to comment and add something to the topic, even if we didn't solve the problem of "crime in America today". ;D
Now this really is "off topic". ;D
John
Joe Horn was cleared of all wrong doing and no charges were brought against him, The local black panters are protesting along with hundreds of other black folks saying Joe Horn is a cold blooded murderer, shame this kind of thing has to go on, if the shooter had been black and the criminals white there would be no issue. when will this racist stuff end?? In my veiw Joe horn did society a favor by getting rid of twp low lifes that nobody needs alive in our society
Frank allen
Quote from: kingfa39 on July 11, 2008, 12:46:14 PM
Joe Horn was cleared of all wrong doing and no charges were brought against him, The local black panters are protesting along with hundreds of other black folks saying Joe Horn is a cold blooded murderer, shame this kind of thing has to go on, if the shooter had been black and the criminals white there would be no issue. when will this racist stuff end?? In my veiw Joe horn did society a favor by getting rid of twp low lifes that nobody needs alive in our society
Frank allen
Actually the criminals were illegal immigrants from Columbia.
Quote from: http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=5278638&page=2Horn fatally shot the burglars, two illegal immigrants from Colombia named Diego Ortiz and Miguel de Jesus.
But I agree on your general thought. I wish race wasn't an issue in anything.
On the issue of race? How about an 8v71 versus a 6v92. No turbos allowed!
I have to read my responses and delete most of them on this type of post. Lets just say I am a strong supporter of the kill bill.
You might tell your friends to start checking the local pawn shops for thier items. In FL pawn shop owners are not responsible for stolen merchandise in thier stores so they do not care where it comes from. If you find your property in a pawn shop you must buy it back. That is not a typo you must pay the owner what he paid for your property and he will not be held accountable for possesion of stolen propery. The cost will not be too high, he/she probobly only gave the junkie $100 for your $2000 Rolex!!!!
The other side of this is, if they can find some of thier property the person that pawned it had to show ID, the shop owner must keep a record of this. So the pawner can be charged with possesion. Now you are thinking what thief would be stupid enough to show thier own ID? Obviously you have never watched the cop shows on TV!!!!!
JJ,
I recently had my car broken into. They stole a bunch of stuff I shouldn't have had in there....like a nav system and my $400 cell phone. I turned in a report to the police. They wouldn't even come out to the car to verify the theft to the insurance co. My $500 deductable left me with that amt of loss for the break in. Now here is the fun part....I had the phone co send me a bill for the 4 day time up until I reported it stolen. Long story about that delay but there it was. On my bill were 8 numbers that I had not called. I went down to cop central to see what they would do with my new found evidence. I was told that there was nothing that the police could do and the Sgt refused to even accept the phone numbers and he did so as if the numbers were stolen property or radioactive. I asked if I could perform a citizen's arrest and bring the guy in badly bruised. He told me that if I did that I would be arrested on charges of false imprisonment and suspected battery and likely be locked up with the perp till the DA could verify a lot of stuff about me and my burglary. I told the cop I was in contact with one of the numbers called and they gave me the name and address of the guy that called that night and in the conversation with them he said he was calling "from my new phone". They didn't like him either and i thought it might not be much of a challenge to put together a small friendly posse of my friends grandkids that were up to the task with the objective of apprehending the perp where he lived. I added that I had called my phone and the perp had answered at 11 AM, obviously awoken by my call, in a foul temperament, and hung up on me when I asked politely if we could find a way to get my phone returned. Sgt. got a little heated and said I had just described a felony "conspiracy" to him and asked if I knew that planning to commit a felony was an arrestable offence? I asked how it would stack up if it was his word against mine and he got a sly smile and said that everything I had said cop central was being recorded per standard procedure. I answered "so you admit that you are and have been advised that our entire conversation is being recorded"? His smile disappeared in a blink and you could see that lots of stuff was going on behind his eyes. When he focused he said in a clear and steady voice "Sir, please leave immediately". I said I would do so but with great disappointment. Sweet God Almighty do cops EVER hate a smart ash....but they define it differently than me and my Conservative friends.
Our PD is famous for busting Lefty Liberal demonstrators with a vengeance. Everybody gets a thump whether they absolutely need it or not. Last week some jerks from the University of Oregon were downtown protesting the use of herbasides along county roads. Cancer survivors really perturb me too and I recently learned I have cancer. 20 of the dangerous perps and they had a spray bottle with poisen written on it with felt pen. The bearer of the bottle was hammered by the cops and thrown to the ground after the demonstration had peacefully disbursed without any police involvement till that point. While laying face down the perp was shot in the back from a couple feet with a TASER. He didn't like it and the cop repeatedly shocked him for not holding still. The DA dismissed all the charges that day and released the perp. as is what usually happens. We are famous for catch, handle roughly and release....at least according to the press i read, local TV and the police review board. Two days later the cops learned that an independent newsman had filmed the entire episode and they dropped the charges against the cop involved in the TASERing. The DA asked for a copy of the film and the reporter was in the process of compliance when he learned that the DA had refiled charges against the perp and was not investigating the police. Reporter then balked. DA is now trying to lock up the reporter. The DA is like that Sgt that i talked to, when these people learn that there is a record of their activities being made that they do not control and edit they get seriously hissy. Reporter now says that he will release the film after the cops release their police reports of the incident, sorta a verification of the events and a validation of the official sworn report. DA is livid! This is the first time the police have not been able to impound the camera at the scene or bash it to bits in front of the owner. If impounded the camera is found to be without a memory chip when returned months later. Remember the perp that was arrested after the herbicide protest? There were still shots of the scene and there were a dozen cops there after a while and his arrest sheet says that he was in possesion of dangerous chemicals and using them in a manner unlawful. The stills show the sprayer still sitting there after all the cops leave and no shot shows any cop showing even the slightest interest but the report says that the "fluid" was sprayed "at police". They abandoned it at the scene....dangerous chemicals....isn't it a crime to abandon dangerous ch ems in a public place? So many issues.
Some of these police forces give law enforcement a bad name.
IMHO and experience,
John the law abider
Why should you not have had the stuff in there?? Why do 95% of the people have to keep themselves and thier belongings behind locked doors becuse of 5% of the population??? Home alarm systems should be for fires and floods.
When I park my bus, I do not lock the bay doors, I would rather loose what is in the bays than have the doors destroyed!!! Very bizzar way to have to look at life, which possesion is more valuable?
When I was in Cebu city Phillippines the police instituted a new crime fighting tactic which reduced crime by a whopping 60%. It is called vigilanteism, if you are caught commiting a crime and no one is around they shoot you, if they see a career criminal and there are no witnesses they shoot them. Career criminal? should be no such word!!!
The longer I am a member of society the less I like it!!!!
Hiteckredneck, It dont matter what country they came from in my veiw, they were illegal imigrants which is suppose to be against the law. At least in texas you have a right to protect your property, if a intruder enters you can shoot em, but what really blows my mind is when they are illegals. You should see the protests over this joe horn thing, the people that support him you dont see much, theones against him are all over the place. i wonder sometimes if people even know the difference between right and wrong
Frank Allen
King,
As you can see from my posts, I am basically in your camp. I was even more upset about some of this crap so I did some reading on the subject a long while ago. Here is some of what I came up with and i hope I get it reasonably straight:
Once upon a time in Illinois, long, long ago a young couple set out for a visit to grandmas place way out in the country. It was the young brides family and she hadn't been for a visit since she was a prepubescent girl. It was true about what they say about women and maps....at least in this one case. They got very lost out in the hinterland. It was winter and there was a foot of new fallen snow blanketing the countryside. Being farm country there were few houses and they didn't see any that had smoke from the wood fires emanating from any chimney. Getting worried about being lost and not having more gas than they needed to get to their destination as farms always had a supply on hand, they stopped at a farm house without even the slightest track in the snow but went to see if people were there and they could summon help or get directions as in those days the telephone operator knew where you were calling from. The house had phone lines running to it. According to eyewitness testimony, the husband trudged to the front door and knocked. The wife decided to try the back door as farm people are pretty trusting as a group. She didn't open the back door but knocked loud enuf for her husband to hear in the front and then it is thought she might have jiggled the locked door. Her husband heard a loud shotgun blast come from inside the house, and fearing the worst, he ran to the rear. His wife never heard the shotgun blast. She lay dead on the rear porch nearly cut in half by the buck shot from a double barreled 10 gauge shotgun that was wired to the back door in a configuration called a "spring gun". The young husband was doubly upset, if that can be imagined, because his young wife was 7 months pregnant with his first son. The state prosecuted the farmer for wrongfull death.
Congress had been aware of the use of spring guns in remote areas and in private urban homes and apartments and so were the state legislatures. After many many years of tragedies nothing was done as Congress never gets involved voluntarily....it is literally drug into the fray kicking and screaming all the way and is literally forced to take action. Such was the case with spring guns. In the congressional hearings it turned out that the states legislatures were loath to attempt any solution as they would be branded "soft on burglars" and voted out so it was up to the fed. Usually in cases like these the Govs and Sens and local legislators are appealing to the fed to "DO SOMETHING". In the Congressional hearings a few unsuspecting supporters showed up to testify. Reps from national and state and local Firefighters were there in number. Seems that they were loosing a lot of firemen to spring guns nationwide as the devices were getting very popular. Some cities had ordinances that forbid a fireman from entering any home that was ablaze if the owner wasn't present to verify that there were no spring guns set or where they were located. A hall closet was a favorite spot for a spring gun but there was a problem with setting a rule that that part of the house couldn't be searched as closets were the favorite hiding place for small children in a house/apartment fire. Sticky wicket, that one.
Police officers were also there to be heard. Seems that in cases of reported home invasions they were being chopped up by spring guns when they entered the wrong residence or answered a mistaken callers plea for assistance on the part of a neighbor. Regardless, lotsa cops were getting hurt and cops hurt like everyone else.
Both cops and firemen know full well that they have chosen a dangerous profession and they accept that and we try to pay them accordingly high wages to compensate and attract good men to the professions. They felt, as a body, that asking them to forfeit their life to a device that was protecting a sack of potatoes or even something of less value was a serious misplaced priority. Cops would not enter any home where their knock was not answered or they could verify that mayhem was going on inside. The rules of entry, nationwide, were moving in that direction.
Courts don't have their own police and they really are limited to one course of action. They refuse, legally, to prosecute. The home owner with a spring gun cannot sue a burglar for anything as, in the eyes of the court, the owner is the "first" felon. The perp gets prosecuted as a burglar only. Any injury award goes to the "victim" of the crime and the perp pays. If the burglar is injured by a spring gun the person that set the device is the first felon and he has to pay damages to any his illegal device injures. Any one! That is the deterant. I magine how sick you would be to have to pay a felon for having injured him while he was robing your house.....the deterant works except for the most hard core liberal that scoff at the law, life and the well being of people sworn to p[protect them and go's their own way.
The all time favorite spring gun wasn't a firearm at all. It was an ax with a hole drilled in the handle that was placed over a nail set to fall on the person/child that made the mistake of opening that door from the inside or outside. There is the case of the NYC shop owner that had been burgled many times. The point of entry was a transom over his back door. He had a wire mesh cage built over the inside of the transom but a crook got in by cutting the wires and slipping in anyway. Outside bars were useless as they had been cut many times. Frustrated beyond reason, the shop owner wired the cage to a 120 volt outlet and plugged it in when he left for the day. A few days after he started doing this he opened his shop to find a dead, crisp, teenager in the cage. 7 to 15 years for manslaughter and more stories of how you can't do anything right today if you are a law abiding citizen.
From the spring gun law came the legal reasoning that you can't take a life to protect property...period. That is once again changed back to you can do that. We were always ably to kill anybody that was threatening us with harm or even another. Had to shoot him in the front, though, if it was personal. That is changed now, at least in some places. Police forces across the country have been cut to the bone to support tax cuts/reduced revenue and I think we all should have greater concern about law enforcement protecting us in any way. We deserve the law enforcement we are willing pay for and we deserve the hard earned money we kept from the tax cuts or failures to adjust for increasing costs of running our government. We deserve it....We earned it....and we should be enjoying it. I have three neighbors that are cops and a police chief cousin(Ret). My uncle was a fireman that died in his retirement from throat cancer he contracted from chewing tobacco. In the "good old days" the firemen chewed during a fire to keep a lot of spit flowing so the heat didn't parch them and it helped to filter the smoke they breathed....cancer! I am an advocate for the police and firemen...anywhere. Its a conservative value.
John
I'm curious as to what the "kill bill" actually says in Texas. In most states, the "Castle doctrine" is not a general license to kill anyone who is stealing your property. Most "castle doctrine" bills were intended to give owners the benefit of the doubt and protect them from over-zealous prosecutors when they had to make a judgment call on whether or not they should use deadly force. Too many homeowners were being prosecuted because they acted in the moment to the best of their knowledge and ended up being prosecuted by "monday morning quarterbacks" because the perp landed in the yard, or really did not have a weapon, or only had a screwdriver instead of a gun, etc. Most of the "castle doctrine" bills I have read about basically say that a citizen does not have to have concrete knowledge of a lethal threat to defend themselves. The citizen can assume lethal intent if the perp makes any aggressive action. Some "castle doctrine" bills also expand the right to defend one's home to include personal transportation.
KT,
In Pennsylvania and California the law said that you could shoot a burglar in your home at night if the lights were out. If you could see the villain in the lighted room you had to see a weapon. You can shoot a knife wielding person if they approach within 8 feet i think it is. Cops are trained that a person can deliver a deadly knife thrust if shot and they are less than 8 feet away. I have personally seen a 6 foot 4 inch black man of large, 250 pound, stature take 4 rapidly fired shots to the the center of his chest. He stopped, looked at his chest and then tried to brush away the bullet holes with his left hand. In his right he held a small cal. revolver. The cops were at the scene in response to a call for help from the perps girlfriend whom he had been beating along with her small children. PCP! The ten shots that hit his chest after he brushed it weighed him down instantly. Cops have a problem determining what is enuf force and that clip sure proved it to me if I ever had any doubts. Home owners have the same problem.
During daylight the perp is called a "house breaker". Can't shoot them unless they have a weapon "OR" can be thought to present a danger to the home owner. Case in point was the Oregon(I think it was) homeowner whose property abutted a trailer park. The park was populated by some motorcycle types that had late and loud parties. A 7 foot hedge separated the homeowners prop from the row of trailers. The home owner fancied cats and the trailer park guys fancied PitBulls. The Pits, always at large, it seemed to many neighbors, killed the mans 4 prized and loved cats. His complaints for some peace and quiet got him heckled and laughed at by the rowdies. On the sore of the Pits they suggested he buy bigger cats and they advised him that the dogs would continue to get "off leash" occasionally and the animal control fines didn't bother them. One day the man yelled at the bikers to hold down the noise and he was answered by peals of laughter and a huge man with beard and tats and dressed in all black pushing through the hedge into his yard. The intruder smiled pleasantly as he started walking across the yard to the homeowner. The homeowner shouted twice for the man to stop advancing and leave the property. Biker ignored the warnings and continued his advance. Home owner retreated to his open door and grabbed his trusty brand new 9 MM and put a bullet in the bikers heart. Grand jury voted to hold the home owner over for trial from which he was acquitted of all charges. Conservative jury! You can protect yourself now and always have been able to do that in this country...anywhere. It has always been prudent to insure that the perps body was inside the house so the DA could decline to press charges.
I had never heard of the "Castle Doctrine". Nice to know the foundation for all the laws I grew up with that made so much sense and seemed to serve everyone so well. Of course, in those days, I could count on having a police officer respond to any call for help. I have always been willing to pay taxes for that protection and peace of mind.....WTF happened? Today i am armed to the teeth, as a collector and shooting enthusiast, and I fear having to use these weapons to protect my self and family.
"You can't mess with Texas" and never forget that. Those Boys had a law that said that if you caught your wife in bed with another man you could shoot the SOB and it was deemed justifiable manslaughter as you were understandably "upset" at the situation through no fault of your own. It was also recognized that you might put a bullet in your erring spouse and that was understandable and forgivable as she had placed herself in the probable line of fire. Now the "Daughters of Texas", an influential group of wives of affluent and named Texans, finally got the Texas legi to take up the barbaric law after 100 years. The result? The legi voted to make it legal for the wife to shoot the husband in similar circumstances. That had, prior to that laws passage, been simple second degree murder. Equity and no serious progress. TEXAS! I like Texans as a group but that state scares me. Good roads though. Good schools too, I hear.
Thanks KT,
John
Quote from: JohnEd on July 14, 2008, 10:25:24 AM
I like Texans as a group but that state scares me.
I love Texas, both the people and the state. Largely because of their John Wayne approach to living and govt. I prefer a state that would rather a citizen defend themself than become another victim.
This is part of the wisdom that our founding fathers had in designing our country. Different states can have different ways of life while still being part of the greater whole and the people are free to live in the one that best suits them.
It seems that, once again, we are taking this thread a wee bit afield... But I must say that, having lived in Texas (Dallas area) for 10+ years and having married (15 years now) an Abilene (Hodges, actually) girl, I'm not really fond of the place. I would probably consider San Antonio if it was put on me, but beyond that I was not very impressed. I will admit, though, that they do have good CCW and "castle" laws.
I have found Texans to be great people as long as you speak slowly. Sorry, that's a joke. Anyway, most every place has good and bad points. One can like some of it and is welcome to reject the rest. This goes for Texas too. Common sense laws that allow people to protect themselves are on thing I like. However, I find the concept of "Texas Proud" to be a bit archaic (nice word, huh?) and silly. I am not picking on Texas. Heck, I had one of those dumb hats when I was a kid too! It's just another place with its own ups and downs. I also think that shooting people merely because they buy a salsa made in New York City, my original home, is just not fair.
Lin,
You were doing fine till ya hit my NYC salsa nerve. ::) ;D
Nice post,
John
So does anbody have a way to address the bus being a big flag sayin "NOBODY"S HOME" ?
I parked mine in the back and some stuff has grown up, so it's a little less obvious it believe.
Our bus stays inside our shop when we are home (out of site). When we are gone: neighbor has several hog huntin' dogs and she is a better shot than her husband. We watch therir place when they are gone also. Jack
Quote from: JackConrad on July 15, 2008, 05:02:59 AM
Our bus stays inside our shop when we are home (out of site). When we are gone: neighbor has several hog hunting' dogs and she is a better shot than her husband. We watch there place when they are gone also. Jack
I am very similar to Jack!
My bus is parked on the side of my shop and very hard to see from the road.
My nosiest neighbor would drive by trying to figure out where that bus went, and never came back out.
We also have a neighbor watch the place and also let a few other neighborhood friends know we are on the road, and any activity at our place should involve a call to the sheriff. We reciprocate the watching when there gone too!
Of course, this is where living out in the country has its advantages, not much traffic, and a strange vehicle or person draws attention.
You can only do so much, NOTHING can stop a really determined thief, just slow them down.
Cliff
One could look into a monitored alarm system. Something trips and they send the police.
I had a monitored alarm system. An alarm seems to be the lowest priority on the police response list.
One problem with monitored alarm systems, especially in Florida, is that lightning strikes cause a lot of false alarms. We used to get the same thing with fire and medic alert alarms everytime we had a storm with a lot of lightning. When a storm hits, we so many false alarms, that we were kept busy just responding to false alarms. Jack
An alarm is good...not going to stop the burglar, but at least the police might show up to write the report.
Amen!
Quote from: ktmossman on July 17, 2008, 07:28:01 AM
An alarm is good...not going to stop the burglar, but at least the police might show up to write the report.
Do to their competitors, it business practice for company to make an improvement.
Alarm or any good manufacturing company will search the nation's reports to continue to further improve the alarm system to avoid unnecessary false alarms as well serve it purpose.
FWIW
Sojourn for Christ, Jerry