I am working on a MCI 102EL3 that the guy bought on ebay and it is missing a ton of parts. I need the 24V relay modules, 12V relay modules, transmission ECM, suspension ECM, lavatory door latch, rear bumper, and both exterior mirrors, among lots of other expensive parts.
Any help with parts or sources will be greatly appreciated.
Hi Capt.,
Welcome!
The owner of this BBS is parting out a EL3. Mike Kadlets
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Good Luck
Nick-
Yeah, thanks, Mike is sending what he has. The stuff I listed Mike doesn't have and is really bad expensive stuff I would like to find used. I wish I hadn't let myself get involved, but I'm in this up to my neck. The owner is asking me to cut my rate because this is costing way more than ever expected.
Call Caylor Supply in Rantoul Kansas
785-878-3405
Ask for Sam Caylor.
;D
Thanks, we called them and every E bus they have burned in the back and they only have some incidental body parts off the front.
The owner thought he bought a bus that was missing a transmission, it turns out he bought a bus that was someones parts bus for a long time and everything that ever goes wrong with these busses was robbed, even some wiring was snipped for the ends. All tail lights were robbed with a cutters. It's a mess. I agreed to install the new transmission and now I am reassembling the whole bus.
another example of not "Knowing" what you are buying.
finding E4500's that are being parted out is hard. Contact ABC bus, they buy recks for used parts...however only expect a 10-20% savings over new
does he need a maint or parts manual for it
I have some of the parts you need. Drop me a note with needs.
JimH
Well, he thought he was buying from a reputable dealer so he didn't suspect this at all.
We bought the manuals from MCI for $600 and they are photocopies start to finish.
ABC had a few things, their E models were burnt also.
This one should have been parted out, in fact it was being parted for a while. It's Resurrection is just going to cost mountains of money. In my humble opinion, it was beyond the point of no return.
reputable or not the guy should have looked at the bus.
but, would you cvare to share where the bus came from (dealer wise)
if you don;t care to post here feel free to email it to me directly
PEDCO in Santa Fe Springs, California probably has the tranny ECM you need. Of course, it will probably not have the program you need, and, IIRC, only an authorized Allison distributor can program them.
-Sean
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What year is this gem?
What type of trans ECU do you need-WTEC 2 or WTEC 3???
Whew...
Sounds like you may need to just buy a bus and use that one for parts.
If you got suckered into making it a usable/runable bus and didn't know half
of it was missing before hand, You need to renegotiate the deal.
My rule is: If I can't hear it or see it run it goes to the end of the list.
If it moves under it's own power (even a little) it gets higher on the list.
If someone chopped wires and connectors off.. Run like Hell !!!! (unless it's FREE!)
Sorry to ramble... Seem to be lost today..
Dave....
Yeah Dave, I know what you mean. I had no part in the buy decision. He just asked me if I would put a new transmission in it if he bought it. Now my business has gotten busy and I have this bus to totally restore.
I'm not sure what program goes in it but the trans ECM is part number 29517003. I am told I need a CIN number to tell allison what to program it with.
Thanks for all your help so far.
God Bless.
Capt, what model year is the bus?
Does it have 3 trans ECU connectors?, or only two ??.
Jake brake??, Retarder??
Series60??
I work on a fleet with a few E-models, can possibly get you a CIN from a similar bus.
New trans ECU is around $2K, then it has to be programmed - as you already know.
I don't know if MCI can provide CIN info if you give them the VIN #.
What about converting to good old fashioned leveling valves??, instead of ECAS?
Might be able to do a little damage control for your customer.
Let me know.
It's a 1998, Series 60 Detroit w/jakes, B500 w/o retarder. I think there are only two connectors on the trans ECu, but I will check for sure.
Ok, I'm all for the old leveling valves but will that confuse any of the other electronics? I don't know if I could talk him into it or not. He likes everything like the factory made it.
I'll see what MCI says about the CIN.
I surely do appreciate all the help, I'll keep posting.
God Bless.
So where is this coach located? Also where are you? Just trying to get an idea where our new members are from. Let us know more of what ya need. I know of several wrecked and burned donors, and if the price is right on the right day someone who might be willing to add one or 2 to that list. And I'm with Sammy on doing away with those high dollar problem causing suspension brain boxes! Just something else to screw up over and over every several yrs, and big $ to replace them as they are the first thing robbed from a "parts bus" if they are any good to start with! ;D BK ;D
Gotta be a way to disable the ECAS system. I'd have to do some homework on that too. Might not kneel anymore, but should stay at ride height thru all conditions, like good old fashioned air suspensions :).
If you have 2 trans connectors it's WTEC 2, if there's 3 it's WTEC 3. Maybe your local Allison guy can help with finding CIN if you give them trans serial number. Check with BK too, he's knows a ton of folks in the motorcocach industry, all over the country. He's a pro too. 8)
Keep us posted on your progress.
Hey, BK, I was in your neck of the woods last month; I flew to Atlanta and drove a Freightliner 'Sprinter' van back to Walla Walla for a guy. Impressive little van.
I am in Lewiston, Idaho and the bus I am working on is in Walla Walla Washington.
I haven't talked to the owner about going "old fashioned" on the suspension. It wouldn't be too hard to plumb a valve and switch into the front bags to make it kneel on command. I used to plumb "air dumps" into truck air suspension that when operated right could hide 2500 to 3000 pounds from the scalemaster when weighed on an axle scale, 'till I got caught. They have absolutely NO sense of humor about that kind of stuff.
I think I found the Relay Modules and a Trans ECU, thanks to this board.
On the left side just above the tag axle there is an air brake valve with a three prong plug into it. This three prong plug and about 10 inches of wiring has been cut off. I could just jury rig the plug to make it work, but then the moisture and corrosion would be a problem. I would like to get this pigtail from a dead bus so I could properly solder and heat shrink it into the harness and just plug it in.
That's all I can think of right now, there will be more later as I get started actually putting it all together.
The Allison guy can only get the proper CIN from the part number, he can't do anything with the serial number, go figure! The part number is a 295xxx number.
Thanks again!!
God Bless.
Capt, check out this link, http://www.meritorhvs.com/MeritorHVS_Documents/mm30.pdf
Should be very useful to you. Good luck. 8)
Thanks, that'll help a lot. It's the ABS that has some wires cut out of the harness.