Well after planning this trip for weeks, paying 275.00 for a camping spot and busting my @$# like I have rarely busted it before............................ the damn bus won't start. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I have battery, the buzzer comes on but when I hit the switch .... nothing. Neither the dash switch or my remote switch.
Jerry just tried to help me out over the phone and we found that there seems to be juice to the solenoid in the drivers panel but where it "doesn't go" from there, I don't know. DAMN!!!!! >:(
If any of you have any ideas, you can write me here, but I may not get it for awhile. I'm going to go do the ol' "stare down" thing and then maybe crawl into a bottle of wine. This could be my first hang over in 22 years! :P
If you think you might have some sort of idea, you can get ahold of me better by calling: 812-212-2222 cell.
Thanx for listening to me whine.
:-\ Chaz
Hey Guys,
Talked to Chaz for a little bit.
He's going to make sure he has good voltage and ground at the starter, checking for loose connections at the bulkhead or starter....etc.
It won't start from the front or rear controls.
Cliff
You need to give us more to go on.
Any relay click in the back?
You wiggled the shift lever to make sure the neutral start switch is in the right spot?
A quick jumper from the starter solenoid where the (big) positive lead connects to the small wire beside it on the solenoid will test all the battery connections. If the starter turns then work backward from there, ie locate and bypass the starter relay in back, then check for voltage from the start switch. Can all be done with just a test light.
Good luck
Don 4107
80 % chance of bad ground somewhere
Chaz,
Like said above, Wiggle the shifter....
It's happened to me twice! ;D
Nick-
I just talked to Chaz and his crossover radiator line on the engine is FUBAR. He is parked safely and going to spend the night where he is.
I told him to give me a call if he needs help, I have lot's of parts and can get to him in about an hour.
Heigh Ho!
What? Crossover Radiator line? what does that have to do with the starter functioning or not? Dallas I know you have forgotten more about these things than I'll ever know - I still can't even tell what the symptom is. Educate me please.
Does the engine spin but not start? Does the starter spin but not engage? Does the starter and solenoid do nothing? These are simple machines and to trouble shoot this problem should be easy. Sounds like a connection problem to me; corrosion inside a crimped cable end or on a threaded terminal. The remedy could be as simple as short the starter solenoid with a screwdriver. I know the starter side of my 8V71 quite intimately.
Fred
Sorry,
Chaz got the engine started, it turned out to be a bad connection, and as always, a PIA to access.
After he had gotten it started and gone a ways down the road he started blowing antifreeze. He also indicated that the stuff coming out was kind of rusty looking.
Against all normal advice, I told him to pour some fabric softener in the radiator after filling it with plain water.... make his run, go home, and drain everything out. If the lower end of the rad isn't plugged, he may be in good shape, if not, it was a try at a simple fix that has worked many many many times.
Dallas
Yah. See? You just edumecated me. I'd never heard the fabric softener fix. It works like stop leak?
Quote from: Fredward on June 05, 2008, 07:17:25 PM
Yah. See? You just edumecated me. I'd never heard the fabric softener fix. It works like stop leak?
Nope, It's not a radiator fix, he'll have to replace the little hose that's leaking, but, if he has nothing but a minor rust problem and some very minor plugging in the radiator. The fabric softener will help clean it out over a period of time with much less problem than lye based radiator flush does.
Many fabric softeners are nothing more than a surfactant that makes water "wetter" along with some scent and thickener to make the clothes smell good.
Someone else can give the reason why water can be "Wetter".
Dallas
Quote from: Dallas on June 05, 2008, 07:28:30 PM
Someone else can give the reason why water can be "Wetter".
Dallas
Dallas,
we used "wet water" at the Fire Dept. I think it weakens the cohesion between the water molecules. If you pour plain water on a smoldering pile of dead grass, the water kind of lays on top of the pile. "Wet water" seems to soak right into the pile resulting in a quicker more complete extinguishing of the fire.
My Fire Detection & Suppression system & Fire Extinguisher from Jim Shepherd uses a similar chemical in the tank (brand name Cold Fire). Maybe Jim can explain this better. Jack
Dallas, I can't explain it however I can tell you that in the 70's I worked for BrinMont Chemicals in Greensboro, NC and we made a product for the carpet industry called Astrowet 75. It was used somehow in the manufacture of carpet backing, I think as a final cleaner. It was 75 times wetter than water. I remember you could put a drop on your finger and start rubbing your finger and thumb together and it was just as slick as snot an hour later.
That did not answer your question...however I do remember that. You did not dare spill it...took forever to clean up!
Jack
In the 70s a farmer that I worked for put some kind of surfactant in the radiators of the combines that was suppose to "make water wetter" and help cool and clean out the systems. In no time at all there was water showing up in the oil! Seems wetter water also penetrates gaskets better. Would make me nervous to use on a DD with all the potential places for water to leak through and out of gaskets.
Don 4107
Quote from: jackhartjr on June 06, 2008, 04:36:55 AM
It was 75 times wetter than water.
Jack,
What I want to know is who made the meter that measures the wetness of water??? ;D ;D ;D
That guy has GOT to be like the Professor that invented Flubber!
TOM
Chaz,
First I'm glad you got 'er runin! ;D
Hope your coolant issue is an easy fix too!
In the concrete block industry I'm associated with, we use all kinds of differant add mixes to make the "Water Wetter". It also helps to distribute the water quicker and more thoroughly. I have head of guys from years ago adding some Tide in their mix, works pretty darn good too. Just don't add too much, can turn into a real soupy mess. Too much is just as bad as not enough.
Above all, Have lots of fun and give us a report WITH PICS. ;)
FWIW,
Paul
We used a 'wetter water' product when I was with the fire department. It stopped the beading action and run off when fighting a fire. I think the only Gauge used was Johnny Gage from Squad 51 or was it Johnny Gage who used wetter water it was a few years ago
By the way, on a GM it is very easy to access and manually activate the starter by removing the solenoid end cap and using a screwdriver, or rod of some sort, manually push the solenoid. When my solenoid failed last year while I was at the beach, using that technique is how I got mine started.
The first photo shows the cap on and the second with that cap off and a lug wrench about to manually activate the starter.
As much as I wanted this past weekend to be a good one, it wasn't........ one several levels.
I don't want to cry around on you alls shoulders - it's not my way - , but I thought I would finish out this thread. Readers digest version......
The engine not starting was the big amphenol (sp?) connector that plugs into the bottom of the electrical box above the motor. I couldn't see where it was laying on the motor to tell what was wrong. I finally did. Thanx Cliff for the words of encouragement.
Then 20 miles up the road I blow a radiator hose. Dallas was INFINITELY helpful in getting me going again. Thank YOU soooooo much.
Then the electricity at the camp ground SUCKED!!!!!! Can you believe that?!?! ::) I replaced my plug, then their receptical, then I find out their breaker is JUNK!!!! They had to relocate me to another spot. (hottest freaking day and no AC and no fridge for anything cold to drink)
Then the storms hit.
Don't know if you seen the news on Indy this weekend, but I told the people in a pull behind next to me to not be shy and come over if it gets blowing too bad. I didn't have much to offer them, but I am heavier.
I went to sleep in a campground and woke up in an "eddy". The RV that was two over from me was actually in the brand new river. :(
I had enough about 1:00 that afternoon and had the tractor pull me out and headed for home.
It happens.
I did put Downy in the radiator as Dallas suggested so now I have April fresh coolant! ;D I do love that stuff and now I have another use for buying more!! ;D
The motor is running a little hotter than I would like which is probably the reason the old hose blew. Time to look into some better cooling.
Anyway........... thanx for the help Jerry, Cliff and Dallas. You guys are TOPS!!
Chaz
Chaz,
Now "That's" an adventure.
I think the opportunity to get washed away in a flood, pretty much cancels out all the mechanical worries.
Man, glad your back on dry ground
Cliff
Chaz, it is this kind of trip that enables you to enjoy your bus even more.
The next time some crap happens, you'll look back to the boondockin in the swamp. . . ;D
I can hear it now:
Naw, this ain't bad, I've been in capmsites so bad, you needed a big tractor to pul you out just so you could go home. :o
This ain't windy, you should'a been there when the guys in the camper trailer came knocking at my door! 8)
Chaz,
We are super glad to hear that you made it out. Now maybe you can fabricate some "Mae Wests" for buses!
We were all set to head your way this week, but a couple of things happened... First, we didn't get out of the bus lot until around 9AM and had to deal with Cincinnati traffic, and once we got on I-74W and were approaching the I-275/I-74 Split, the construction narrowed down the lanes. I had a semi beside me and couldn't get over. He couldn't go anywhere to let me over so I ended up on I-275S..... Oh, Well! On to Kentucky!
We stopped at TA in Richwood/Walton, Ky. had breakfast, then went over to Pilot and put some fuel in. ($4.539).
We have been working on our last project a long time, and now that it is at it's new home, we are taking a few days at a State Park to get in some Rest and Relaxation.
Hopefully, we can get up with you in a few weeks, after we get our next project under way.
Again, glad to hear you are home and have fresh smelling, soft coolant!
Dallas
Thanx Dallas. Hopefully you can make it up this way sometime soon. I'd love to have your expert opinion on my baby. Even take it for a drive as I'm not even sure that it couldn't use some work in that area. It's my first, but I do love driving it. I can offer you a spot next to my studio,water and 15 amps, but not too sure about other ammenities. But, when you get here, we can see what we can do. There is always the idea of some "rigging"! ;D
Have a nice break!
Chaz
"Love that April Fresh coolant!"
p.s. Bad news tho... it seems to still be getting warm. :-\