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Title: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 14, 2008, 05:33:20 PM
Just listed my bus on e-bay.  Check out item 150236758256

Tell me what you think.....


Bill

Bill, I removed the dot after the number. Richard
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Dreamscape on April 14, 2008, 05:38:46 PM
Good Luck Bill,

Hope it goes to a great family!

Paul
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: jackhartjr on April 14, 2008, 05:41:37 PM
Very nice coach Bill!
Jack

PS...or would you feel better if I said..."Man what a peice of Crap!"  LOL

Jack
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: skipn on April 14, 2008, 05:45:31 PM

Bill,

    In a way I am sad to see you sell such a fine bus but if
you are, I hope there is a bidding war.


Good luck
Skip
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Sammy on April 14, 2008, 06:01:42 PM
I expect you to finish that Corvette now my friend.........no excuses........ :)
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: chazwood on April 14, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
I think your bus is great....and I hope you get what you deserve. 


But........



Forgive me if I step out of line...... I must know......What's with the shop vac? :D
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 14, 2008, 06:45:54 PM
LOL   I have a built-in central vac system.  Turn it on, with a switch inside the bus.  Plug the hose into a outlet on the floor.  Actually works really nice.

Bill
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: chazwood on April 14, 2008, 06:53:32 PM
You have got to be kidding me!.....that is great!  ;D Dang...Bus nuts are truly a wonderful breed.


I need to hang out with you people. These $500000000 Winni people just depress me. (with their automatic floor mats and gas powered turtlenecks.)
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: cody on April 14, 2008, 07:16:40 PM
I had the pleasure of seeing the bus first hand, it's a great conversion, top quality work thruout it, bill ,you can be proud of it. 
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: JohnEd on April 14, 2008, 07:24:23 PM
I thought just having a central vac would be neat.  Then I read a post from one of you that said he had made up his plumbling to allow him to slip his HOSE into the pipe for storage.  Now that was COOL.  I have had cent vac and where to put the dang hose IS a problem. 

You guys!  Really!

John
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 15, 2008, 04:23:06 AM
When I was out in Phoenix last year, I was in an area that really didn't matter if I ran the shower water to the ground.  So I installed a value that routed shower and sink water thru a hole in the bottom of the baggage compartment to the ground.  Look in my e-bay photos of my water tanks.  Look for the white PVC pipe on the left going down. That's it.


Bill
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: RJ on April 15, 2008, 07:56:56 AM
Bill -

Might I ask, out of curiosity, why you've decided to sell your coach?

Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: travelingfools on April 15, 2008, 08:43:39 AM
Nice looking rig..I hope you get what your hoping for on the sale !!
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 15, 2008, 02:12:30 PM
As some of you know, I was full timing while working on Air Traffic Control  (ATC) Radars all over the country.  I'm now switched job, (no longer on the road) with Raytheon, living and working in St. Petersburg, Florida.  Trying to purchase a house, (without wheels).  Can't manage both.  So the bus has to go.... >:(

Bill
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: luvrbus on April 15, 2008, 03:45:44 PM
Bill, you should post your bus on the BNO bus for sale section it's free
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: FloridaCliff on April 15, 2008, 04:16:38 PM
Bill,

Good Luck on your sale!

Your ad looks very good....

Cliff
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: DavidInWilmNC on April 22, 2008, 05:57:58 AM
I sure hope you get LOTS for it!  The same fate may await my MC-8... once it's finished, of course.  Hopefully, by the time I get it ready to sell, I won't want to.  At any rate, it looks good!

David
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 22, 2008, 06:13:55 PM
For those watching my bus on e-bay, it sure doesn't look good.

Any thoughts?

Bill
Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Dreamscape on April 22, 2008, 06:20:24 PM
Hi Bill,

It will be very hard to sell any bus right now. Most people will want a very low priced deal.

I have been watching your ad, be patient, most bidding will go on between bidders in the last few minutes. If it doesn't meet your reserve, wait a few days or weeks then post it again. Or maybe lower your reserve to attract more bidding.

I have seen the same bus or buses on several times. They either give up or just decide other ways to advertise.

It might be hard to get back what you have into it.

Good Luck, I'm pulling for you!

Paul
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Barn Owl on April 22, 2008, 06:22:12 PM
Ouch! Bad time to sell a bus, and the caboose is nowhere in sight on this train. :'(

Gas, match, insurance. :-X
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: bowmaga on April 23, 2008, 08:47:16 AM
I will trade you....I'll take your bus, then you can sell my bus, which will be your bus, on ebay much cheaper than what you want for your bus....which is now my bus.  I'll drive it to you for the trade!
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: jackhartjr on April 23, 2008, 09:17:55 AM
Bill, you just never know...if there is someone out there that wants it bad...you will never know untill the last few seconds.  I trust you put a reserve on it you can live with?
Jack
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: DrivingMissLazy on April 23, 2008, 09:26:58 AM
Anytime I bid on something on eBay, I use a program such as this:

http://www.powersnipe.com/

I determine in advance the maximum that I want to pay for something and then enter my bid. No other bidder sees it and do not know that I am bidding. I can increase my bid at anytime during the auction if I decide to go higher.

In the last few seconds of the auction my bid will then be submitted at the proper amount above the last bidder, unless the last on line bidder has bid above my maximum amount. Due to the timing it is impossible for another bidder to outbid me.

Richard
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Stan on April 23, 2008, 10:15:17 AM
Since there are dozens of sniping programs and hundreds of people using each one, I fail to see how they can guarantee anything. Just put in your maximum bid and they will send you an email if you are the high bidder at the end.

The big problem with ebay is that at the time the auction ends there should be X amount of time with no bids (just like a live auction) before the item sells. That would eliminate all this sniping and be fairer to both the buyer and seller.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: jackhartjr on April 23, 2008, 10:21:29 AM
Stan, what they do is eliminate a lot of the tire kicking where someone sees your bid and nickle and dimes it up higher than they probably would have if they did not see your bid.
Plus I like it that no one knows I am bidding on an item.
Jack
PS...looking at the ones I have sniped...the seller and me usually come out feeling good about the transaction.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: DrivingMissLazy on April 23, 2008, 10:33:01 AM
Stan, on the items I have sniped I have always won the bid. Of course there is no way to know if there were several snipers, but as Jack says, it keeps the nickel and dimers from running the bid even more. Lots of people think that sniping is bad, but for me it means that I do not have to sit on the item right up to closing time.

I strongly suspect that I have saved quite a few dollars and if somebody does not like it I really do not care and neither do I care if it is not fair to other bidders or the seller.

Richard
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: gmbusguy1 on April 23, 2008, 11:18:51 AM
I really do not care and neither do I care if it is not fair to other bidders or the seller.

That is real nice dml

in this world we have an obligation to do things fairly and I feel bad for any business you deal with....

Chris
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: buddydawg on April 23, 2008, 12:04:04 PM
I always wait until the last 30 seconds of an ebay auction to bid.  (If I really want it)  There is no sense in aimlessly bidding up an item.  The objective is to get what you want for the lowest price.  I have won countless items this way.  I do not care about other bidders nor should they care about me.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Paladin on April 23, 2008, 01:33:00 PM
Sniping is frustrating if you are the one who loses but it's perfectly fair game.  Ebay has no problem with it and neither do I, it's just part of that type of auction.
I decide how much I'm willing to bid as a max and then toss it in in the last few seconds. If I win then great, if I lose then there will always be another item another time and congrats to the guy who won. Just because you snipe doesn't guarantee you win, in the end it's about who is willing to pay the most regardless of the time of the bidding.

As for the bus, I wish mine were in that shape right now. Hard times to sell a bus but best of luck, maybe it'll just take some time. I've had real slow auctions and then I relist and it sells for a nice number the next time.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: DrivingMissLazy on April 23, 2008, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: gmbusguy1 on April 23, 2008, 11:18:51 AM
I really do not care and neither do I care if it is not fair to other bidders or the seller.

That is real nice dml

in this world we have an obligation to do things fairly and I feel bad for any business you deal with....

Chris

And all is fair in love and war and Business.

Richard
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: bobofthenorth on April 23, 2008, 03:50:16 PM
Richard just understands how the system works.  Since when is knowledge an unfair advantage? 

I was at a real live auction last week (actually I was virtually there but it works the same as being there in person)  I didn't bid on a lot of 3 generators because I guessed (rightly as it turned out) that there weren't more than 3 buyers for 3 identical gensets.  If I had bid all that I would have accomplished would have been to run the price up.  As it was the top bidder took one of the gensets and me & another bidder took the other 2 at the same price.  Was that unfair?  I don't think so.

I always sit in the top of the bleachers at the back when I'm at a livestock auction. Why? So I can watch to see who I am bidding against.  That way I can be sure the auctioneer isn't bidding me against a friendly crow.  Is that unfair - or just smart?

Knowledge is definitely an advantage but I don't believe that it is ever an unfair advantage.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: JackConrad on April 23, 2008, 03:59:44 PM
     I started using a sniping service several years ago after losing many auctions by .50-$1.00. When I emailed a seller to ask if he had anymore of the item and remarked that I always seemed to lose by the minimum bid amount, he suggested I use a sniping service.  Since using the sniping service, I still occasionally lose an auction. Sometimes because the item goes for much more than I was willing to pay and sometimes because someone else is probably using a sniping service also.  Jack
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 23, 2008, 05:19:15 PM
This is all very nice,,,,, but your not helping me sell my bus....... ::)

By the way, did I tell you I purchase a house three weeks ago at a live auction.  Bought it about 60-80k under value. Needs a little fixing up,  but nothing I can't handle.

Now, could we please get back to selling my bus..... ;D

Thanks you,

Bill
Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Lin on April 24, 2008, 08:57:49 AM
I have always thought that being fast was an unfair advantage in a race.  When I was a teacher, an assistant principle once suggested that being able to read was an unfair advantage in testing.  Good looks seems to be an unfair advantage socially.  All this has led me to believe that whoever designed the world did not do it fairly.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Stan on April 24, 2008, 02:19:53 PM
Jack: You always lose an ebay auction by the minimum bid at that level. You don't know that the winning bidder may have put in a maximum bid much higher than your bid. Only the winner knows what all the other bidders had for a maximum.

I find it funny when I put in the first bid and then ten snipe bids show up in the last ten seconds not knowing that my one bid may be several hundred percent higher than the first bid showing. Anytime you win, it shows that no one else was willing to pay as much as you.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: FloridaCliff on April 24, 2008, 05:34:16 PM
Quote from: Lin on April 24, 2008, 08:57:49 AM
All this has led me to believe that whoever designed the world did not do it fairly.

Or that They knew, You didn't need that advantage to succeed....... ;)

Cliff
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: busnut104 on April 24, 2008, 06:04:47 PM
Bill; Sorry that you bus did not bring the price that you had to have, I have had my bus for sale now for about 6 months, I'm asking a fraction on what I have in it or what you could even being to build one for, but still I see people starting in on one from scratch, Maybe that is just what they want to do but if you look on the dollar side it does not make sense. I know it is a very bad time to sell and I wounder if there ever will be a good time again. I do not have to sell but it seams a wast to just set there. Good luck Bill. 
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 24, 2008, 06:09:59 PM
yeah it boggles my mind too......I have seen people put hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into something that they could not ever get out of what they have in the shell alone.  Some guys have 5 or more years in their conversion process and still are not on the road

I have two for sale , both professionally converted by reputable places still in business and one was converted from new.

I think it has more to do with the ability to thow money at it as you have the money rather than get a loan and start using the bus immediatley.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Dreamscape on April 24, 2008, 06:39:43 PM
I for one like the adventure of building one myself. I learn a great deal in the experience. Learning how to do things that I might never have had the chance.

It's all about what you want to do. Some people throw money into building a coach and others throw money into a completed one. Maybe they don't have the skills or don't want them in the first place.

Without this great hobby I'm sure that my money would go to something else. I've thrown money away in the past when I was younger, at least now I have something to show for it.

Yeah, it's not finished yet, but have always had this dream. Now I'm living it!  ;D

My 2 cents,

Paul
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: kyle4501 on April 24, 2008, 06:58:49 PM
Quote from: tekebird on April 24, 2008, 06:09:59 PM
yeah it boggles my mind too......I have seen people put hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars into something that they could not ever get out of what they have in the shell alone.  Some guys have 5 or more years in their conversion process and still are not on the road

I have two for sale , both professionally converted by reputable places still in business and one was converted from new.

I think it has more to do with the ability to thow money at it as you have the money rather than get a loan and start using the bus immediatley.




Just like other hobbies, you ain't gonna be able to sell -
- your years & years of golf club dues after you retire from golfing.
- that bass boat for what you paid for it.
- that model train layout.
- etc . . . . .


I'm gonna convert my own because:
- I don't want what the professionals build for someone else.
- I don't want to give up that much cash to have a professional convert it for me.
- I can do it myself.
- I want to do it myself.


That is why it is called a hobby. Look it up sometime  ;D

Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 24, 2008, 07:41:38 PM
Quote from: kyle4501 on April 24, 2008, 06:58:49 PM
Quote from: tekebird on April 24, 2008, 06:09:59 PM




Just like other hobbies, you ain't gonna be able to sell -
- your years & years of golf club dues after you retire from golfing.
- that bass boat for what you paid for it.
- that model train layout.
- etc . . . . .


I'm gonna convert my own because:
- I don't want what the professionals build for someone else.
- I don't want to give up that much cash to have a professional convert it for me.
- I can do it myself.
- I want to do it myself.


That is why it is called a hobby. Look it up sometime  ;D



1. we are not talking dues.
2.nobody said anyone is trying to get what they paid for something
3. lots of people sell thier toy trains for quite a profit

4.seems most people conversion that I have seen are not cutting edge or very different than anything else, sure perhaps a bit more space here or less there but all in all very similar.
5.$$ that is a resonable answer....
6. Some can...and some can to dfferent levels.  There are very few who are handy enough in all trades to get everything top nothch...generally there is some area which "suffers"
7.Wanting to is also a good answer.

Hobby.........I know what they are and I have way to many....all of which cost.

question is is the hobby the conversion or the use of it.

I have the skills in most areas to do my own....and if I wasn't busy with lots of other things I might do one myself........except for the fact that it is much smarter fiscally to buy one that is ready to roll.

my folks 4108 for instance.  I could not buy all the parts to make one of that quality with whatever layout/design you want for anywhere near what the asking price is.

5 years ago when I was considering doing one I figured I needed 60k in stuff not counting my labor or anything that I thought about hiring out on.  Now this was all new stuff.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: kyle4501 on April 24, 2008, 08:07:12 PM
bird,
It its the exception, not the rule, when someone makes money in their hobby, especially if it involves old buses.  :o

The point is that if you are trying to make money, old buses ain't a good place to start for most people.

Calling it dues is semantics - you can't play if you don't pay.
Sure you can ride someones coat tails for a while, but that isn't the norm either.  ::)

I have yet to see a conversion or motorhome that I like as is. You just can't please some people. ;D

RE: question is is the hobby the conversion or the use of it.
well DUHHHH! the answer is in what they are doing with it. Like you said, there are many hobbies. ;D Some make a hobby of whining about the high cost of fuel. Some others will find something else to hang their hat on.

Sad to say, but ebay is a pretty good barometer of what something is worth to the buyers. Sometimes it aint a good time to sell. Sometimes we want more for our stuff than anyone will pay.
I have a nice Jag for sale, but no one wants to pay low book for it, so it looks like it will be mine for a while longer until the market improves.  :P
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: prevost82 on April 24, 2008, 09:24:21 PM
I think you hit it on the head Kyle ... this is not the time to sell ... it's a buyers market.

A friend down the street has a small bus charter company and he just picked up two 94 H3 Prevost's with 750K on them with 12L ser 60 motor that have just had a inframe and rebuilt B500 trannies for $40K each and he bought them from Prevost Car in Calif. There's a 1998 Prevost enterianer on eBay with a BIN for 130K ... I wish I was buy now instead of 5 yrs ago.
Ron
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: jjrbus on April 25, 2008, 07:27:32 AM
Bill I see your bus did not sell, sorry. You had 2 bidders on it, did you know the bidders, did they come to look at it?  Was the high bid close to your reserve?
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Chaz on April 25, 2008, 09:36:34 AM
You are right on the mark, Kyle and Paul. There is such a thing in some people that we just have to do it ourselves........for whatever reasons. For me, it's just a need to create. To have the fullfillment of being proud of the project. Money can't buy that. And just buying something is a hollow and short lived fullfillment.
  It is a shame that we can't get more for our blood, sweat, pain and money -money wise- but it sure feels good when it's a job well done. People who are wrapped up with only the money aspect in mind will never know that feeling. (sad) Therefore they can't justify it to themselves.
It really is all about what you like. And we are all very different.

   I resemble that last remark,   ;D
       Chaz
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: JackConrad on April 25, 2008, 11:06:43 AM
Chaz,
    I could not agree more.  Even if it cost me as much to build something myself, that feeling of "I did it" is priceless. It seems the younger generation wants to buy everything and buy it immediately.  For many of them, it cannot be done on a computer, they do not have a clue how to do it.  Jack
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: bowmaga on April 25, 2008, 11:13:00 AM
now now, jack.  I still hope I'm considered that younger generation...and I'm going to do it myself along w/ 3 of my younger generation friends....and i hope that after this weekend...I don;t think to myself.....why didn't I just buy a newer one with out problems....already done!  Truck is loaded with supplies.  The fun begins in 3 hours.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: BusMom on April 25, 2008, 11:17:16 AM
Half the fun of buying our bus was thinking about all of the fun (and some of the frustrations) of doing it ourselves.  We know it's not a profesional job, but it is what we want.  As we have gone through the process of updating the conversion we have enjoyed looking at the different things available to us.  Also we now know what has been done and how it was put together.  I think we have learned more about our bus since we did the conversion ourselves.  Plus it has been fun.  Now we are at a point where we get to take the bus out on trips with the kids which was the whole point for us!
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:18:27 AM
I don;t agree,

there are alot of younger people who have the skills and desire to do a conversion themselves.......as well as older folks too........

but those who have families at home, other hobbies etc find that many suitable and almost perfect coaches are out there

I hear the I want it my way alot....but outside of 8" roof raises and things like that I have not seen much to show any radical design changes from your average coach conversion

For those of you that have these radical designs...post pics.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:23:11 AM
keep in mind there is a huge difference in buying a professionally done conversion and someone home conversion ( in most cases)

I rarely have seen a professional conversion system...and think to myself  WTF were they thinking..........while I see that all the time on home conversions.


again, unless the conversion is part of your hobby or you desire to build you bus.......fiscally and time wise a already converted unit makes more sense......even if you have to change a few things.

Additionally you generally find a professional converison has low miles and has not been rode hard and put away wet like 90% orf the used buses on the market.


I do agree however that those who do it themselves ofeten have the power of knowing things more intimately which is a positive.     
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: skipn on April 25, 2008, 11:27:06 AM

Tekebird,

    Radical....to me the pict attached is radical to you probably not :)

   Thanks to Barn Owl for the link to this.


Skip

Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:31:36 AM
Skip I was talking about the conversion....not absurdly poor taste in bolt on truck parts.

"there's No Accounting for taste"
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: buddydawg on April 25, 2008, 11:41:43 AM
The reason I am converting my bus myself is because I want to.  There is nothing special or unique about it, I just prefer to do things myself.  When I am finished I can stand back and look at what I accomplished.

On the other hand if I had the capital I might buy one of the many deals out there and modify it to suit my taste.  It would be nice to have one where the main systems are in place, to me, that is where the work is.  The cosmetic things can be completed in short order.

Jack, there are a few of us young'uns that dont have to have instant gratification. (if you are considering 35 young, I hope you are!)  Although, I will have to agree with you that for the most part my generation wants it now.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:43:47 AM
SOme examples of special needs:

Belfert: needs to haul a bunch of buddies and ,Rocket equpment (right) to the desert....so needs a easily cleaned interior with loads of storage space below.  he would not be able to find a professional conversion or probably not even a home conversion that would suit his needs.

Someone with 6 kids......outside of an entertainer sleeper coach probably will not find one to suit their needs, although I do know of a prevost that fits the bill

Someone with an accesabilty issue thats a crap shoot.

your average person....can find something that will suit them nicely.

How many of you designed and built your own homes?  % wise very few I am guessing of the 1800 memebers  

one might think considering the ammount of time you spend at home that would be a more likely place to do it your own way.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:49:33 AM
some weeks or months ago there was a thread on what this one has morphed into.......where people were honest enough to post the manhours and in some cases money they have in thier self conversion.....

Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: buddydawg on April 25, 2008, 12:01:28 PM
I don't have alot of money invested so far but it is coming now that I am starting to buy the major components.  Hours invested are growing exponentially but, I don't mind.  I actually enjoy the hours spent working on it.  I know that is not the case for everyone and those people should explore other options.  One thing I like about the way I am approaching the conversion is I'm paying as I go.  It's all mine.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Chaz on April 25, 2008, 12:07:13 PM
QuoteI don;t agree,

As usual.
But Teke, you ain't the only one with an opinion. When it's personal taste and choice, why can't you leave it be??
I respect your right to feel the way you do on what you like, but just because I may not feel the same way doesn't mean you are wrong and I am right. Your seeming to always needing to have the last word and others tastes and opinions are wrong can get on ones nerves a bit.
I agree you know a bit about bus's, but please just offer the useful information you have and leave out the stuff where a person's personal taste and reason for doing what they do out of it. You are not them.
Case in point:
QuoteSkip I was talking about the conversion....not absurdly poor taste in bolt on truck parts.

"there's No Accounting for taste"

By the way, this is NOT a "Flame", just a observation that I have seen time and again. I appreciate your offering of good tech info, but ........... "easy man".

Buddydawg and Bowmaga,
  We do allot of writing back and forth here and most times never know how old a person is or who they are. It's GREAT to see some of you young "whippersnappers" having fun and creating with your hands!! As you did mention, there aren't allot of you anymore.
  I am one, shall we say, who is "middle of the road".  ;) (48 years old) I'm also a blacksmith that has had the wonderful opportunity of hanging around some of the older blacksmiths to learn. The older guys typically love to share their knowledge to keep their hobby/passion/business going. It's a big plus for us with less knowledge. I'm glad you're here and interested in having this kind of fun and feelings of accomplishment. It's a real kick when someone asks you "Did YOU do that?"  :o
And of course the head swells just a bit with the big "s**t-eatin grin". LOLOL

  I hope the value does come back to our hobby/lifestyle at some point, so when we need or have to sell our babies, there will be enough "cake" there to invest in our next project. (or if we just plain "need the money")

Just a long winded .02
    Chaz
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: JackConrad on April 25, 2008, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:43:47 AM
How many of you designed and built your own homes?  

  My wife and I have drawn the plans and built our last 3 houses, incluing making all our cabinets, trim and door jambs. We also did all the electric and plumbing.  The only thing we did not do ourselves was finish the concrete after we helped pour it and charge the AC system after we installed it.  Jack
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: FloridaCliff on April 25, 2008, 01:35:26 PM
Quote from: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 11:43:47 AM
How many of you designed and built your own homes?  % wise very few I am guessing of the 1800 memebers  

Make that 2

Cliff
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Chaz on April 25, 2008, 01:37:10 PM
I'm right there with ya Jack and Cliff!!! But then, I think allot of you seen my house. (pretty unique)  See the HGTV video at www.amstudio.us .
 Chaz
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 02:20:43 PM
3 out of 1800 so far.

I would wager the number is less than 10% of the nuts on this board

would also be interested to see of the board members who how many have built thier own
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Tom Y on April 25, 2008, 02:34:46 PM
Well make it 4 out of 1800. The only 2 things I paid to have done were the basement dug and the carpet laid. Built my own front door, fireplace doors, sprial stairway, wood boiler...  My 2nd house and rebuilt a few others also. And after 5 years on my bus I am still having fun working on it.  NO thanks to buying one already done. Mine will get done.  Tom Y
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: jackhartjr on April 25, 2008, 04:29:10 PM
5 out of 1,800, Dianne designed and had it built to her wishes!
Jack
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: chazwood on April 25, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
6
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 05:27:34 PM
now don;t skew the figures.

I am talking designing and building......entirely....sitting down with an architect or builder does not count, nor does any partial building. save slab and foundation and perhaps some finishing stuff like carpet.....

cusious though why a guy who can build an entire hose would outsource his carpet install
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: H3Jim on April 25, 2008, 05:37:58 PM
I would think that hiring an architect and or doing partial buildings should count.  Its still a lot of work either way, and certainly independant as well.  Those of us that live in California, especailly in a large metropolitan area simply cannot get away with  changing anything without 15 copies of detailed building plans that have been approved (read paid permit fees), and had a snooper scope stuck up (our building). 

I think it should be allowable, probably commendable to emply such folks.   We are no less independent
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 25, 2008, 05:53:18 PM
Chaz, missed you last post about my comment on tastes. they were not taken as a flame BUT

ignore them if you don't like them.

same thing goes for the overly sensative eagle folks.   ;D

I'll stop posting my opinions on buses when others stop posting polical items, and other NON related things........at least mine are on topic.

other stuff I think is in bad taste:

Overuse of mirrors in conversion, I know it is to make them feel bigger but overuse is just taking IMHO

Visors on buses, the external type

exposed stacks on buses

shag on the dash

Eagle caps on GM's

R&M fiberglass tailgates

Painted fenders. I even own one with them...hate it.

to name but a few.
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: kyle4501 on April 25, 2008, 06:00:46 PM
I get the feeling someone is jealous of other people's ability.  :o

Maybe they are intolerant of other people's different points of view.

Maybe they are so closeminded they can't see the joy others have.

As for me, I don't have to like or enjoy someone's hobby in order to support them or be happy that they have found something they enjoy.

I don't like playing golf, much less watching it on TV. BUT, if a friend really enjoys it, then it is fun to experience their enthusiasm while watching a game - well, maybe part of a game.  ;D

As for those that designed, built, or remodeled their own house, I'd be surprised if the number was less than 900 out of the 1800.

BTW, around here, the carpet install is so cheap that it makes no sense to do it myself.

bird, your requirement that they must do it all themselves is plain silly. Just how many bus converters designed & built the bus they are converting?
It seems to me, by your reasoning, if you pay a mechanic to repower your conversion you then have a professional conversion.  8)

You are entitled to your opinion, just don't expect to have many in agreement with you on this topic. You seem to have a rather large fixation on the $$$ involved. We'll all agree that $$ is important, I just don't believe many place it as high on the list as you seem to.


"Lighten up Francis"
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Dreamscape on April 25, 2008, 06:11:14 PM
IT'S NOT THE DESTINATION BUT THE JOURNEY

It's amazing that without people converting buses, we would not have much of a Bus Conversions Bulletin Board!

At least we are helping the economy!  ;D

Happy Trails,

Paul
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Chaz on April 25, 2008, 06:30:25 PM
Right on the money Kyle. The man just doesn't see things in the same light. That's ok......we are all different. It's just a shame he feels a need to try to get everyone to think like him.
Quoteignore them if you don't like them.
I would certainly like to invite you to do the same. Seriously.

QuoteI'll stop posting my opinions on buses when others stop posting polical items, and other NON related things........at least mine are on topic.
That's justification?? Come on......you're kiddin, right?

I just have to agree with Kyle yet again.
QuoteI get the feeling someone is jealous of other people's ability. 

Maybe they are intolerant of other people's different points of view.

Maybe they are so closeminded they can't see the joy others have.

I think you might need to get out a little more. It is pretty nice out here.

   Chaz

Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Tom Y on April 26, 2008, 04:16:02 AM
Teke, I had my carpet installed because I do not like doing the seams. My liviving room and dining room are together with a fireplace in the center, a long trafic are seam. I cut and skided my own trees and had them sawed 7 tri axle loads. I designed the house ourselfs my wife and I. Laid the blocks and stone work. Some just like to do their own work. This may not pay ( I might be farther ahead to work at my job and hire more done ) but this is what I enjoy. I also built a large pond, rented a dozer and later bought one and a pan to make it bigger. 22 years and it still standing.  Tom Y
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: muddog16 on April 26, 2008, 04:59:08 AM
I didn't design my home but I spent several years looking for the one I wanted, its a passive solar home 1,200 sq feet of external glass, while working 50 hours a week it took me a year and a half to build my home!  I didn't drill the well for the heating system, and I didn't lay the carpet, I cut 17 trees down to clear the land, moved a trailer from the center of the property, remodeled it and lived in it while building this one!  Teke its difficult to grasp who and what people really are on the internet, for sure we are all different, it sure would be boring as hell if we were all the same! For those silly Eagle folks, in my opinion there isn't anything better looking than the site of a Eagle that is well taken care of coming down a sunny country road enjoying the sights!  Life is to short and sweet, take time to enjoy it while your here!
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 26, 2008, 05:17:56 AM
Hey,,, I rebuilt a bathroom once,  only took me 9 months,  ::) does this count  ???
(after all this was my thread)  LOL

And I'm on the way to trim a couple trees so I can get the bus into the back yard of the house I'm closing on this week. 

Bill
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Chaz on April 26, 2008, 07:31:04 AM
 ;D
  So now back to you, Bill.  ;D
What is to become of your coach? How are you going to sell it?
This thread has definitely taken on a different life of it's own.  ::) From selling a bus to building your own house. Man....... It's been fun.
Good luck with the sale. I'd like to see you keep it, but I can understand.
    Chaz
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: jjrbus on April 26, 2008, 09:29:54 AM
Befor I designed my house I gathered the seeds for the trees. This gave me a loooong time to design the house. I also raised the sheep and designed and built my own loom to make the carpets ;D
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Kwajdiver on April 26, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
Chaz,

Thank you for asking..... :D   As I said, I'm closing on a house in Gulfport area of St. Petersburg, Florida.  The house was purchase at auction and needs a little fixing up.   I can fit the MCI into the backyard through the alley.  Yes, it will be a tight fit. Going to have to trim back a couple trees.   Not sure about gettting it out,   ???   But, hey, worry about that, when the time comes.

Anyways,  going to live in the bus,(again) till the house is done.  Meanwhile I'll list it a couple other places on the world wide web.  Speaking of the WWW.  Did you see that AT&T says the internet will be full by 2010.   :o :o :o

Again, Chaz, and Skip, thanks for asking.......LOL

Bill
Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Green-Hornet on April 26, 2008, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: jjrbus on April 26, 2008, 09:29:54 AM
Befor I designed my house I gathered the seeds for the trees. This gave me a loooong time to design the house. I also raised the sheep and designed and built my own loom to make the carpets ;D
Now THAT is funny, I don't care who you are!
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: FloridaCliff on April 26, 2008, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: jjrbus on April 26, 2008, 09:29:54 AM
Befor I designed my house I gathered the seeds for the trees. This gave me a loooong time to design the house. I also raised the sheep and designed and built my own loom to make the carpets ;D

Now will you come help me clean the spray off the monitor from when I read your post?   ;D :D ;)

Cliff
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Tom Y on April 27, 2008, 06:04:42 AM
Bill, Did you try a free ad in BNO?  Tom Y
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: tekebird on April 27, 2008, 07:04:56 AM
www.sellabus.com.............set price for run intil it sells
www.gmbusguy................ only gets money if it sells through him
BNO................................Free, but low traffic.

there are also a number of other broker type sites which take a % of the sale price
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Dreamscape on April 27, 2008, 07:43:52 AM
Bill,

You might try the approach like some real estate folk have done. Give something away with it, new flat screen, a couple of tanks of fuel.

FWIW,

Paul
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: captain ron on April 28, 2008, 11:25:47 PM
You better watch giving away a couple tanks of fuel, it might cost more than the bus by the time it sells  ???
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: JohnEd on April 29, 2008, 11:09:08 AM
KW,

This has been a great post.  I know you didn't do it all and had other intensions....still, you started it ;D

I have read all six pages so far(and counting) and I have been informed and amused even more than usual.  Thank you all.

TomY.....I have looked into building a "spiral staircase" and was shocked at the amt of detail and all the things I would need to get it right the first time.  I concluded I could not do it myself and the cost was so high to have it done that I have resigned myself to never ever having one of those.  I'm talking railing and posts all in hard wood.  I envy your talent and skills at this...I think it is a real achievement and you slipped it into a post with little real notice. 

Now for balance....I noted that GUS hasn't contributed ::) ;D ;D ;D    Yet!  He may be suffering from apoplexy at this point...can anyone check on him? :D ;D ;D ;D  Inside joke Guys. ;)  Sorry, couldn't resist.  ???

Ever in awe of Yous Guys. :)

John
Title: Re: Just Listed my Bus on e-bay
Post by: Tom Y on April 29, 2008, 06:02:43 PM
John, Actually mine is simple. I used spindles from an old fire escape I took down. I have a old pipe with rust pits in it, welded treads from angle iron and put plywood in. And the railing is a made from a chain with the links welded together. I didn't want to try bending a pipe around. Painted flat black for a rustic look and  the treads are carpeted.  Tom Y