Just curious.
As for us, we are doing more short weekend trips (less than 100 miles each way). We can drive 30-60 miles, enjoy a nice 3 day weekend and not break the bank to pay for fuel. As an example, the last 2 weekends we have went to bluegrass music events (festival & club jam) at a campground that is 19 miles from our house.
We also try to group our outings. In January we plan to drive 52 miles to a week long antique tractor show, then go to a week long bluegrass festival, then to another week long bluegrass festival. These 3 events will be one loop ending 19 miles from our house. Jack
hi jack
so how much is fuel where you are??
ottawa,ontario canada....drum roll please $4.50 per gallon!
mmm maybe ill just work on my electric car next summer instead of buying a bus lol ;D
scottie
Hi Jack,
We have cut alot of long trips out this year for the same reason. The smaller weekend trips seem to be more affordable.
I was hopeing to get out west this winter but, that will have to wait another year or so. The fuel prices around here are staying
around 3.45 gal. so times that by 6-7 mph and just a weekend trip is sometimes costing $300 in fuel.
If I get to Florida this winter, it will have to be in February when my busisness is it's slowest.
Nick-
Hi Jack,
We haven't cut any trips yet, But we will be!
We started out this year with a plan to take the coach out for a trip every month, and with the exception of one, we were able to do it.
As an example, we spent $600.00 in fuel to go the non rally in South Carolina and less than that for the other 10 trips combined.
Like has been suggested by Nick, the shorter trips are much more affordable.
I will still be going to out of state Tallies, but only if combined with other destinations of interest.
The price of fuel has probably gone up close to 66% since I started this project.
But I would still start a coach today if I didn't already have one.
We will be taking a two week trip this Summer, I went on-line and obtained the prices for airfare, lodging, rental car, food, etc, I am still several 1000.00 dollars ahead by using the coach. And none of that nonsense at the airport, long term parking, rental cars, hotels and whatever is living on or in the comforter, instead we are riding in our home away from home-priceless :) ...
We will continue with the trip a month plan, but yes, they will generally be closer to home...And to be totally honest, I cannot believe all the cool places that were right around the corner that I overlooked.
This fuel thing may actually be a shot in the arm to the local rallies, it seems like this year there was a whole lot more of them!
See ya on the road somewhere.
Cliff
Well, I really don't think we make decisions on what we're going to do, based on the fuel prices, but perhaps if we were retired and had more options, we might. With us, we have so little free time, that it's more whether we have TIME to make a trip, rather than what it will cost. I suppose if I were deciding between two events, I would be influenced by cost of travel.
I just depends on how bad you want something I guess. We were fully aware of how much it was costing us to run three generators to keep three different places powered up recently, but we still ran them 24/7, rather than turning them off at times to save fuel. My mom offered to shut hers down overnight, as I had hooked up a non-powered gas heater for heat for her, but even at that, I felt more comfortable knowing she had a few lights, tv, etc., rather than worrying about saving an extra $15.
Now, if you're asking whether I'd consider driving a car and staying in a motel. . absolutely not. . .no way. . . ain't going to happen. If diesel was $5 a gallon, I'd still rather stay in my "home" than in a motel! Christy Hicks
An observation I can share is we see fewer and fewer older motorhomes coming in for fuel at our station on Hwy. 50. Gunnsion is a pretty popular summer destination for RVs and we have many summer residents that I assume are full timers. I think the cost of fuel has substantially reduced the number of folks who are using older motorhomes for travel. We still see lots of high end units coming through. I have to think this is because the owners of the new high end units have more disposable income to put in the tank than Ma and Pa with the grandbabies in the Winnie Chieftan, or at least are more ready to part with their money. I am sure the cost of fuel has affected how much folks are using their rigs.
We built Thomas as more of a camper than a full time rig because we can drive 20 miles in any direction and be at some really nice campsites. We're lucky to be able to use our bus and not use much fuel because even with a gas station, we have to think twice about burning $300 in fuel for a weekend trip to Moab.
Doug Engel, Gunnison, CO
I hasn't really changed the way we use ours yet because we mostly "camp" at relatives houses. ;D ;D ;D
We bought the bus because we have a lot of out of state relatives that we like to visit. They don't always have accommodations for us though, or, at least not the kind of accommodations a person of my statue, fame, and accomplishments thinks he should be entitled to ;D ;D ;D ;D
Therefore, we take the bus down, park it the middle of them, & say, "Here we are, come visit!"
We see everyone and I am treated in the style I think I deserve....mostly.
Fortunately, none of my folks live over two states away.
Jack, the price of fuel hurts the wallet now but it will not change the way we use our bus, it was bought to go vist the kids ,grandchildren and friends a short trip for us is 1200 miles oneway and my wife is like Christy no way is she going to sleep in a motel or hotel.But I do find myself slowing from 75mph to 65 to try and save a little fuel.The trip to FL in Feb may change my mind about long trips 6000 miles round trip
I'm not sure yet about the prices of Diesel fuel but the cost of replacement 12 inch wooden blocks has gone up also to replace some that rot under my bus. Geezzz.
Gary
Since a lot of our travel is for trade shows where we are vendors, we can't cut back too far. Last year we went to several FMCA area rallies, and we will probably cut back there, since that does not generate as much business. We are doing a lot of thinking about what shows make sense. Here, we balance business and pleasure. For example, we will probably make several bus rallies, since they are so much fun. However, even here we may have to cut back a bit. MAK's rally fits in with some other activities, but BusN USA is a long haul for us and we may not be able to justify it and that hurts since we have been to every one so far. Same thing with Jack's great rally. Logistically it did not work out for this year, but even if we could have worked out the logistics, I don't think we could justify the expense of the 4,000 + mile trip! We get close to 8 MPG, but that is still a ton of fuel (over $1700 at $3.5 per gallon) :-\
What will be interesting is to see what this does to the upcoming FMCA rallies. Attendance has gone down considerably over the last two years. If you look at their published financial information, you will find they are really hurting. They are taking some pretty drastic steps to try to balance the budget in the face of declining membership and rally attendance.
We belong to the PRVVC (Professional RV Vendors Chapter of FMCA) and we have a general meeting at each International FMCA Rally. Our group has really noticed a significant reduction in sales at the last few events. Even the "hot" items like jewelry and clothing are not doing well. Several vendors have talked about folding. Believe me, we have had to give some strong thoughts in that direction as well. We have put quite a bit our our limited funds into the business to try to build it up. As some point we may have to face the reality that an RV focused business is a quick way to go broke.
Jim
I too feel the pinch at the pump. I used to take a lot of
weekend get-a-ways during the year, not so much any
more. Example; last year I only put 1000 miles or so on
the bus. This year is not looking much better. I must say,
that I feel fortunate to have been able to attend Jack
Conrad's bus ralley before the price of fuel went up. Maybe
when I get a few things in order, I can get back to the
week-end get-aways.
Merle.
Me and Dianne are in an S&S at this time, however when the bus is done...watch out!
We would normally go to the outer Banks of NC 6 to 8 times a year, (812 mile round trip) this year we went once and did some short trips to campgrounds in the area. Guess what, we found some gems in orr back door.
So bottom line the price of fuel has changed the way we travel and camp...and I don't see that changing unless the fuel goes down!
Jack
If any of you are worried about storage of your diesel vehicles, let me just say that I had a GMC truck full of diesel fuel sitting here behind the house for 10 TEN YEARS!! Not started even once in 10 years. Put two new batteries in it and it started right up and we drove it 700 miles without any problem. The temperature in the coaches is far more stable, so we have no problem with letting $150 fuel sit in these coaches until we really want to run them. There is always sooo much to do. We just drive around in our hybrids waiting for fuel to come down. And that might be right after the next election!! If not, we will have saved enough to pay for a lot of fuel. Bill T.
We had to have a serious discussion before we decided we'd shut the house down, saving on heating costs, and drive to florida for Jack's rally and some serious potluck at the house.
as Mr. Shephard said "Last year we went to several FMCA area rallies, and... that does not generate as much business. Here, we balance business and pleasure."
We also do shows and belong to Family Vendors chapter of FMCA. i don't beleive there is any real profit in RV shows. We stopped going if there are more than 2 of us vendors with the same product since neither of us will make our expenses with fuel this high.
All our travels are evaluated to see if the fun and potential sales will outweigh the fuel costs. My wife and Christy are on the same path when it comes to sleeping in their own bed. No motels!
one more quick note: Today's wonderful Ohio weather overrode the cost of fuel. its colder than a welldiggers butt in the klondike!!! and we got 5-7 inches of snow with blowing and drifting.
if i can get her started, we're out of here. i've got a full tank and that will get me at least to Georgia and i'll work for fuel to get me to arcadia if i have to.
i'm bringing pictures for those of you in the warmer areas who have no such experiences (Jack and Paula).
Fuel prices haven't changed how much or how often we use the bus or how far we travel but prices have changed how fast I drive. That's also partially because we have more time on our hands in our full time existence. If we want to spend the winter in Mexico and the summer in Canada that's probably 7,000 miles if we never went anywhere else. So we just have to make the budget work. Maybe we'll drive less sidetrips than we would have otherwise but we'll never really know because this is all so new for us. Whatever we do from now on will just be "normal".
And Mexico is helping with the fuel costs too. I haven't bought diesel down here yet but gas is about 2/3 of the price it is at home.
Jack, I'm going to take the toad, drive in to Arcadia Tractor Supply, then get a transfer pump. I'll be able to drive 73 feet to your bus and fill 'er up. ;D
dg
Thats why I moved my bus into the shop LOL Jack
I am working on travel plans now I am adding a 250 gal caged tank with a transfer pump setup to transfer fuel on the go (Bio-Diesel) this give me a safe range of 3,000 miles round trip 8mpg avg. So if I want to splurge and add a tank of dino-diesel fill I can still travel relative inexpensive. Bio-diesel at 70 cents a gallon.
I can still afford to visit grand kids at this rate and explore around closer to me.
LarryH
Jack,
I can't see changing the way we travel.
Some short trips thru the year and snow bird for the winter.
We look at the cost of the overall trip not just fuel.
This winter going to Q-site, and Mexico for a few months.
The fuel costs are just a small part of the big picture.
If you can't afford a few gallons of fuel ,
may be you should reconsider this as a hobby worth while for you.
Frank
All I can say is my PRICES aree reflecting our fuel costs! And I must say that some lucky folks have booked plenty early and have a gauranteed price that is gonna sting when I actually do the trip. But then there are others who chose to wait to book that are going to be very surprised when they do ! Oh yeah I have also started using the cruise control more often, which means less fuel consuption as I don't have to get clearance from the fight tower for my travel plans anymore! Wow unbelievable how much farther a tank of fuel lasts now!
;D BK ;D
Jack
Patti and I are not going to make it to your Rally this year. We will miss
seeing everyone that we have seen at this time, for the last four or five
years. It is not the cost of fuel, but we are going to Quartsite two weeks
later and we have numerous Basketball and Volleyball games to attend
in between these times and yes we go in the bus to all of them.
So tell everyone we said hello and we wish everyone a MERRY CHRISTMAS
and a HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Catskinner!
Sonnie and Patti Gray
72 0/5 Eagle, 3406 Cat
Pottsboro, Texas
Frank...you said..."If you can't afford a few gallons of fuel ,
may be you should reconsider this as a hobby worth while for you."
It's not as much as about being able to afford it as I am madder than (Fill in the appropriate word here) at big oil...and when I don't have to give them money...I don't!
PS...can't wait to get the sailboat in the water in the spring and really giv' em' the finger!
Jack
Quote from: Catskinner! on December 17, 2007, 10:43:21 AM
Jack
Patti and I are not going to make it to your Rally this year. We will miss
seeing everyone that we have seen at this time, for the last four or five
years. It is not the cost of fuel, but we are going to Quartsite two weeks
later and we have numerous Basketball and Volleyball games to attend
in between these times and yes we go in the bus to all of them.
So tell everyone we said hello and we wish everyone a MERRY CHRISTMAS
and a HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Catskinner!
Sonnie and Patti Gray
72 0/5 Eagle, 3406 Cat
Pottsboro, Texas
Sonnie,
It seems, once retired, we all have to much to do. How did we manage when we worked? Anyway, we always enjoyed seein' you and Patti, we will miss ya'll, but we understand. Ya'll have a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Jack
Hi jackhartjr,
I'll have to admit I'm a little half cocked when it comes to folks crying that they can't do something 'cause of fuel price.
I know plenty for guys that rebuild old cars and just have them on display.
Just like an office desk. That's what they want to do.
They don't run them around.
But if they wanted to run them to the store to get a loaf of bread they wouldn't bitch about the gas price is holding them back.
The major $$ are already spent in creating the beast to your planed use.
Just use it that way, what ever way you intended.
It would be like a guy that created this wonderfull sterio system , but doesn't play any music on it because it would use electricity.
Every body can see that guy with the sterio would be silly, but there is no difference with the guy that buys/builds a bus/motor home and will not use it as planed.
I don't know, maybe some folks would rather build/own these palaces than to use them.
If that was their plan , that's great, but then they shouldn't bitch about the fuel price too.
Just my 2 cents
Frank
Jack - I wouldn't worry about Doyle just yet - I just checked my bus (he was only parked next to it for a minute) and its on E now - He shouldn't need fuel until Bussin'08 - there'll be plenty of tanks to choose from - LOL
Quote from: Frank @ TX on December 17, 2007, 01:31:45 PM
I'll have to admit I'm a little half cocked when it comes to folks crying that they can't do something 'cause of fuel price.
But if they wanted to run them to the store to get a loaf of bread they wouldn't bitch about the gas price is holding them back.
I don't know, maybe some folks would rather build/own these palaces than to use them.
If that was their plan , that's great, but then they shouldn't bitch about the fuel price too.
Just my 2 cents
Frank
Frank,
Please pardon my ignorance, but I really don't see what, where or who these comments are directed.
After rereading all the POSTS and COMMENTS by others, at least under my definition of "bitchin", I don't get it!
Plus, the question by Jack is asking "Have higher fuel prices changed how you use your bus and How?
Any response, is a legitimate answer for that person.
Cliff
The price of fuel doesn't bother me because it is a small part of the travelling expense. When your are staying at Mall Wart or truck stop you're not buying a hotel room. Most of the time you're not going to restaurants, (supper out once in a while though). Driving the bus is a lot cheaper than buying air line tickets for four, etc, etc. You have to look at the price of fuel in the context of the big picture... Alsoremember 20, 30 years ago gas took a much bigger chunk of your pay check than it does today. So fill er up and go!
PAYCHECK??? You must be talking about the thank you note from our righteous leaders telling me thank you for the donation.
Merry Christmas to all.
LarryH
Let Me get this right, If fuel is a little on the high side and I try to plan a little better perhaps I am in the wrong hobby? Give Me a break, I dont get the post. John
My first car was a '69 SS Chevelle. Who knows what the fuel mileage was, it was always empty :o
My daily driver is a '95 GMC 4x4 suburban. Easy for me to get in & out of & a nice ride that I can see out of.
My current fun car is a '74 v12 jaguar sedan.
My preferred means of vacation travel involves either a motorhome or travel trailer.
When ever I'm asked what the fuel mileage is, I tell 'em I'm hoping for double digits & happy when I get close. Miles per gallon isn't nearly as important to me as fun per gallon is.
Sure I could get a car with better fuel mileage, but - either the costs of such a vehicle out weigh the fuel savings - OR - I'm riding in something I don't like. I can't justify working so hard to surround myself with stuff I don't want.
I've always felt the price of fuel was the cheapest part of owning/ using a car. Sure, I'd like lower costs, who wouldn't! But I can't understand spending time bitchin' about the high cost of fuel while I should be enjoying my vacation.
Like Cliff said, there is lots to do in your own back yard.
Like Jack said, connect your trips to minimize running back & forth.
I have noticed most waste far more than necessary. If we put more effort into planning, I'll bet most could save far more than the additional cost of fuel. We have started doing this & as a result, out trips are much more enjoyable since we are spending more time together in the planing stage & seeing the freebies that are just off the beaten path.
When you find you have a bunch of lemons, why not make lemonade?
Of course, if your hobby is bitchin & moaning, enjoy the fodder of high fuel costs! ;D
I just got back from Las Vegas. Towing the car and cruising at 58-60mph, I got 5.15mpg. At 3.29/gallon that works out to be $325.00 worth of fuel for 4 nights. Add in the overly priced Circus Circus KOA of $275.00 for the 4 nights (will stay else where next time-used to be $22.00/nite), and I'm still on the savings side compared to flying and staying in hotels with a rental car. Now it costs about 64 cents/mile for fuel. When it gets to $5.00/gallon, it will cost just about $1.00/mile-which I will still be using the bus then too. Not only is fuel alot, but all other parts on the bus are expensive when they wear out. Good Luck, TomC
Due to the wife's work schedule, we usually do 3 day trips, and as others have said, we've found some great places to go and stay within two or three hours of home. We will do a week or two this summer with the bus. How far we go will definitely be dictated by what we can afford in fuel.
The only thing that will stop us taking the coach for a spin is me pushing up daisies! I'll maybe be more careful about trips, but I'm not going to let the cost of diesel stop me. I have waited for years and years to have my dream of cruising around this great land. I'd rather stay in our half finished coach than any motel on the road. I travel a lot for work, and it ain't no picnic for sure. There is nothing like sleeping in you own bed, be it on eight wheels or planted on solid ground.
And that's the truth!!!!!
amen!!! I'll be burning up about $2500.00 in fuel in Jan/Feb alone-and I wouldn't travel any other way!
I love higher fuel prices... keeps all the land barges off the road and gives me more room to drive my old Crown!
Hee hee
I actually remember going to the gas station when I was a kid, giving the guy a DIME and getting a whole gallon of gas for my go kart for that dime! Eeek
What's more interesting is this: all throughout my life, three things have always been the same price, roughly...
a gallon of gas
a half gallon of milk
a scoop of ice cream from 31 flavors...
interesting...
G
Sounds like a conspiracy-----we should look into it. Got to keep em in check ya know.
Diesel in the UK is currently around £1.09 per litre. Converted to US gallons (smaller than UK gallons), and converted to US dollars (using £1.00:$1.98) this equates to $8.23 per gallon.
Diesel in France, Germany and Spain is slightly cheaper than in the UK, whereas for instance Italy and Holland are quite a bit more expensive. At least in the UK travel distances are fairly short, and other life-costs (health care for instance) are much cheaper than in America.
I happened to see a car program on TV earlier today where the three presenters each bought a cheap (£100) car (a Rover, Audi and Volvo, all around 15 years old), filled them with petrol and drove them from London to Manchester and back (probably a 5 hour or so journey). In each case the total cost of the fuel and buying the car in the first place was still less than the cost of a train ticket for the same journey. The point being - although $4.00 per gallon probably seems really expensive at the moment, even the cost doubles (and it surely will) your behaviour won't change much because (a) it will slowly enough for you to get used to it and (b) the chances are it will still represent the most convienient and/or economically viable option
Jeremy
Interesting post, Jeremy...and much thought provoking...... :) 8) :-\
Thanx for the spin.
RCB
Quote from: Jeremy on December 20, 2007, 11:51:24 AM
Diesel in the UK is currently around £1.09 per litre. Converted to US gallons (smaller than UK gallons), and converted to US dollars (using £1.00:$1.98) this equates to $8.23 per gallon.
Diesel in France, Germany and Spain is slightly cheaper than in the UK, whereas for instance Italy and Holland are quite a bit more expensive. At least in the UK travel distances are fairly short, and other life-costs (health care for instance) are much cheaper than in America.
I happened to see a car program on TV earlier today where the three presenters each bought a cheap (£100) car (a Rover, Audi and Volvo, all around 15 years old), filled them with petrol and drove them from London to Manchester and back (probably a 5 hour or so journey). In each case the total cost of the fuel and buying the car in the first place was still less than the cost of a train ticket for the same journey. The point being - although $4.00 per gallon probably seems really expensive at the moment, even the cost doubles (and it surely will) your behaviour won't change much because (a) it will slowly enough for you to get used to it and (b) the chances are it will still represent the most convienient and/or economically viable option
Jeremy
Sounds like something those wild and crazy guys on Top Gear would do. I am looking forward to their next show on Bio-fuel.
Lee
It was Top Gear. Although I hadn't seen that show before I think it was an old one because I saw it on cable - no doubt there is a copy of it on YouTube as well
Jeremy
My take - I figure I am saving a good bit of money over buying a bus already completed or a factory motor home :-\... So, I am trading my labor for fuel down the road! :D In addition, we have talked about getting a smaller car on our next trade (instead of the SUV) to save on fuel to help pay for the bus travel.
Danny
I haven't posted here for a long time, actually haven't driven the bus since 1998. Since then fuel prices have gone up at least 200%. Also since then we have occupied Iraq for dubious reasons, OK, I'll say it, for their oil. The price seems irrelevant at to me at this point. The more important issue is to what lengths we, as a nation have gone to ensure the supply of cheap crude oil. I hate what we've done to Iraq. I could go on and on but I won't. Any way I won't buy fossil fuel for my bus until we've fixed the mess we caused in Iraq.
When we started our bus project in 1994, fuel was a lot more affordable! We traveled as far as time would allow on vacations, White Fish Point, Michigan, Orlando, Fla, Carlsbad Caverns, Moab, Utah and numerous trips to Olathe, Colorado.... These last couple years we travel to two or three rallys, not generally over 400 miles away, and look for local destinations. Even at 8+ MPG it adds up. Also, I bought a Prius and a motorcycle!
The higher price of fuel just makes it easier to rationalize a repower to a more fuel efficient ( newer ) power plant -- Just an excuse to spend more money on something else. HEY and while I'm at it maybe a new tranny and cruise control and what the heck they mean for it to be spent gotta enjoy it while you can.
Melbo
The cost of fuel is inversely proportional to the rate of production -- raise the rate of production lower the cost -- lower the rate of production raise the cost -- get government out of the fuel business it will increase the production keep them in and here we are. We all get just one vote.
Fuel prices have gone down dramaticly, BUTT, Diesel is 36 cents higher than Anything Else.. WAHT ATOTAL RIP.. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Easy to explain
ULSD
gomment mandated
We all get just one vote.
Melbo
supply and demand. More demand due to all the huge poplularity of the big diesel pickups and less supply due to the ULSD and an actual contraction in the amount of diesel refiing capacity. I consider the reduction in capacity something the fuel companies did on purpose to raise prices. It should cost less to make diesel fuel than it does gasoline.
Since stumbling across this site I don't get much work done, but alas, that's retirement. On to the subject at hand. I guess I'm just a little disapointed in that I haven't heard a single word about making the trip last longer by volunteering as a camphost along the way. We retired more than 10 years ago and have been fulltiming for the last 7. When our budget and fuel costs were closer in line, we traveled continuously. Now, we travel from campground to campground with a side trip here and there to remind the kids we're still kicking. Most campgrounds not only offer a full hookup site, but they even give you a little stipend for your trouble. It's a nice way to put fuel in the bus and feel appreciated. Just pick a climate you like and hit the road. Every state, county, BLM, or Forest Service use volunteers.
I have friends that do that every year in ND, they love it!
Jack
Fuel cost today compared to when we first bought a PD4104 which was our 1st bus 20 years ago have increased from .50 per gallon to over $3.40 a gallon now.
Our buses were made to run on diesel that cost bus companies around .25 cents a gallon when they were doing over the road service 40 years ago.
I have a fuel bill for our trip to South Florida and back to East Texas that is close to $1300.00 for diesel.
We spent 2 nights in Walmart parking lots and our meals were what we brought with us.
So if you look at the cost for meals and the 2 over night stays in a motel and restaurants.
The 5 night stay at our daughter and son-in-laws house with 30 amp electrical was a free stay.
I would say the cost savings would be close to around $400.00 dollars give or take a few dollars.
So now we are looking at $900.00 in money we spent.
The bus trip was priceless for Fred Rayman who is a retired bus driver after 38 years of driving intercity coaches and my self.
You could have not asked for a better bus buddy and co driver than Fred Rayman we had a great trip.
Plus our daughter has a the household items and furniture that she wanted that we were storing for her in a spare bedroom our our house.
Would we do it again sure would. ;D
jlv
hey jack
i did'nt like it when gas went up to 36 cents back in the 70's and sure don't like the 349.9 i saw today. i stay home alot now days and read about the funeral home rip offs. traditional is the phrase. cost about 7000 to 12000.
o death where is thou sting. its at the funeral home. hank had it right. i'll never get out of this world alive thanks jt..
still cheaper the ever adjusted for inflation Compared to income ::)
Just paid today $2.99 for Diesel here in Los Angeles. Cheaper then last year. Good Luck, TomC
Just paid $3.25 on the Central Oregon coast and crude is still falling despite the OPEC cutback ;D
Iallnay lore hearing about 65 gallon gaS . I has alive and 8 years old but I remember going to the gas Station to get Air & Steal pop froM the machine. I Saw the prices what pumped the gas. Ircmenhcr slopping the puMp exacty& going over be even a penny. (well 29 times out of 30. bat I also remember dad had a good Job@he air port. in Miami FL pay was $5 hour. row same J0b pays $22 gas is only $7.75 even@ $4 that cheap
Quote from: circusboy90210 on October 27, 2008, 08:24:08 AM
still cheaper the ever adjusted for inflation Compared to income ::)
No, that is simply not true. If you adjust gasoline prices to take into consideration inflation, we are no where near the cheapest point. If you compensate for inflation and put everything in 2008 dollars, you could buy gasoline for under $2/gallon for about 18 straight years (1986 - 2004). When gasoline hits $1.40 a gallon you can make your comment again and be correct.
Those figures are for gasoline. For much of the last 50 years diesel fuel was cheaper than regular gas. Today that is not the case, so the difference is even more dramatic.
Do you guys know that we export over 500 thousand barrels of fuel a month to Mexico that is over 2 million gals and is going to remain higher than gasoline for awhile have a great evening
Hi jack ,I think I can honestly say that the price of fuel does not detere me from driving the bus,I'm using it now more than I have in the past 5 months ;D(now that it's purring again) 8). Funny seems like diesel is the same price as when I got the bus (did I miss Some thing?)Lol ::)
ON THE ROAD AGAIN
VAN