So, I took the oil line off my alternator the other day to replace it. I'm rebuilding the tag axle brakes so the bus isn't going anywhere for awhile. The bus garage was out of number 5 Aeroquip hose, so I've been carrying the old one around for a few days trying to remember to go to the truck shop. So I decided to get the new one today since it was supposed to rain all day (of course it didn't).
So I headed out and the first stop was NAPA. I showed it to the guy there and asked if they had any hose like that. He was somewhat new, and took it and headed to the back room. I proceeded to look at some other parts. About 10 minutes later, he returns with a newly built hydraulic hose! Oops. Should have been more explicit. I just wanted the hose, and I'd reuse the ends off my old one. I told them I didn't want a $15 hydraulic line with crimped on ends. Just wanted a 2 foot piece of Aeroquip. They quoted $18 for the hose! I thanked them, but declined it. They were a bit ticked at me, I could tell.
So I drive to all the truck places, and low and behold, nobody has any number 5 Aeroquip hose. They all have numbers 4 and 6, but no number 5! So, after wasting a good hour and probably $10 in gas, I head home and figure what the heck, since it's already been built, and by the time I run around looking for hose again, I'll have wasted another $10 in gas, I figure I'll just swing into NAPA, pick up the hose they made earlier, and suck up the $18 price. I stop and go up to the counter and tell them I'll go ahead and take it, and they say, (get this)..., "He already cut the ends off that hose and threw them away." What?? That's right. The guy actually chopped the brand new $7 crimped on ends off that hydraulic hose and pitched them in the trash so he could salvage the now less than 2 feet of $2.50/ft hydraulic hose.
I couldn't bear to ask them to make me another one.
Does anyone happen to have 2 feet of new #5 Aeroquip hose they don't need?
Gumpy, I've never seen the #5 aeroquip. 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, are the sizes we use on trucks. If its airbrake, I would have a replacement made for both sides out of DOT plastic line. It never leaks and it never wears out. It costs about the same. I have my share of Aeroquip and it requires some maintence. It never fails at a good time. If it carries hot oil, (luberfiner), I get about 7 years. I have other Aeroquip lines that carry cooler air and are not subject to heavy vibration that look good at 15 years.
Gumpy,
Try here = http://www.suicidedoors.com/Fittings.php .
Ed ;D
Quote from: gumpy on June 06, 2007, 08:46:35 PM
I showed it to the guy there and asked if they had any hose like that. He was somewhat new, and took it and headed to the back room.
There is nothing wrong what you ask them!
NAPA counter person should have asked if you want it with both ends or just a hose ??....period.
They didn't even answer your question but went ahead at risk of their own expense to make a complete hose assembly.
It at their own expense for making a wrong mistake....if you only want just the hose. They (newly counter person) are to do what customer request and at the same time they're to ask you exactly what you need before whatever. I am sure NAPA headquarter or store manager would have taken care of your requested problem and retrained new counter person "to ask customer what part you need before the next step"
All in all, I always ask for manager for get result to fulfill my request if you feel an error been made.
I go back there or have it (hose) deliver to your nearest truck or car repair shop.
I assume you are looking for # -5 (dash 5) hose to use reusable ends. It available but not as common as even number sizes.
FWIW....a couple of links to anyone's list:
Fittings:
http://hydraulics.eaton.com/products/pdfs/fc/A-HOOV-MC001-E_06_Fittings_58-195.pdf
Reference:
http://www.murdockindustrial.com/aeroquip/reference.html
PS....have build many hoses assembly with reusable ends for phototype cars and farm equipments in the pass.
Sojourn for Christ, Jerry
With the price of gas, I find myself often compromising on something. it is cheaper to pay more than run around. Out here in the boondocks of Arcadia. It is less expensive ordering some things and having them delivered.
Jim
Yes, Jim, I find myself making those same decisions to order and have it delivered, but I still often find myself falling back on my same old cheapskate ways from time to time. This was one of them. Had I actually thought about it for 10 seconds, I'd have realized that I'd spend more money in gas to drive to the truck parts place in the next town, and I didn't even know if they'd have it in stock.
One truck place offered to make it up with -6 (yes, Jerry, I think you are right, it's dash 5) with new fittings of the same flared end size as mine. It would probably cost about the same as the hydraulic hose with new fittings.
I may go that route. -6 with new fittings. The new fittings will be the two piece type also, whereas my current fittings are the older style one piece type. It's the oil line which lubes and cools my 50DN alternator, so I guess going bigger wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
I was having some hydralic lines made at the local store and they let me walk back to watch for some unknown reason..........I know for a fact that there were probably 40 brand new fittings of assorted sizes laying on the bench, floor........and trash can..........all were mistakes that one some made not knowing what they were doing or not just thinking about what they were doing, there is no way this guy is making any money on hydralic lines..........I don't think I've ever seen that many oh oh's in one place! IT'S JUST NOT THAT DIFFICULT! This means eventually I'll have to drive 50 miles to find lines one of these days! ::)
I hard to find good help at min wage... :-)
Ron
Gumpy, I have a couple feet you can have for shipping from Pa. Not sure if this is what you want. Air Brake SAE J1402 DOT 54412 5/16 AII. On the other side it reads Aeroquip FC 350 06 AQP 23. Let me know Tom Y
gumpy,
Don't know why you are stuck on Aeroquip, it is overpriced because it is aircraft stuff. This oil hose is not high tech, the pressure probably will never exceed 70psi so it doesn't need a high pressure hose.
I'll look around to see if I can find you a piece.
What kind of fitting is on the side opposite of the alternator - AN?, inverted flare? male?, female?
#5 AN is used on the alternator oil feed line on a 50DN alternator on many coaches and transits too.
All using the Delco 50DN alternator.
Sammy 8)
Tom Y, I don't know if those numbers are what I need or not. I'll have to see if I can find out more from their website, previously posted above. I tried to see something on it last night, and it came back as not found, and I didn't have time to try again. 5/16 sounds right. The hose I have has the braided outer sheath, and has the screw in fittings. My fittings are the type where you have to jam a fitting in to get it to turn out, not the newer ones that have a separate nut behind the swivel. I'll see if I can find those numbers and determine if it's what I need.
Sammy, that would be great. I have female flares on both ends. I'll get a photo in the morning and post it. I'll clean up the oil on the outside and see if there are any numbers on the old hose, too. I'm sure you are correct in that this was used on the MCI Detroits to cool and lube the 50DNs. This is a standard size on coaches, but not trucks. The bus garage inventory said they had 12 feet of it, but they couldn't find any when I was there last week getting brake parts.
craig
Gumpy, I have what you need, send me an e-mail. 8)