With images of cars and trucks stranded on snow clogged interstates, better think twice before taking that Tesla or other electric only vehicles. Atleast they can get emergency gas or diesel to those stranded. I guess you could haul a predator in trunk or a small trailer.
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 15, 2022, 06:27:54 AM
With images of cars and trucks stranded on snow clogged interstates, better think twice before taking that Tesla or other electric only vehicles. Atleast they can get emergency gas or diesel to those stranded. I guess you could haul a predator in trunk or a small trailer.
In the case of Tesla just hangout at a supercharger with climate control on and play games on the display. Heck a simple wall outlet somewhere will do...
Can an EV be charged from a standard 15-20A wall outlet?
Getting to a wall plug or supercharger can be problem when they close the hiway and you are in the middle of the storm, I see some AAA tow trucks have a charging capability in Northern Az still if they close I 40 and I 17 you are out of luck.A closer on I 40 from Kingman to Ashfork can last for days not hours AZ is not good at opening a hiway after a storm BTDT for 2 days at Seligman
Like all those charging stations aren't already in use and reserved for two days. Not much help when you are sitting in a 10 mile long wreck site with no exit for 12 miles and even berms are blocked with stuck cars.
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 15, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Like all those charging stations aren't already in use and reserved for two days. Not much help when you are sitting in a 10 mile long wreck site with no exit for 12 miles and even berms are blocked with stuck cars.
I think EV owners are smarter than that John venturing out into a strom,most owners I know have a gas rig for backup anyways,Then you will have Loonies out of gas and no way for the rescue to reach them except by helicopter, I have seen that before on I 40.In AZ if there are fatalities in a accident they close both sides of the interstate till the MD examiner arrives and moves the body or bodies sometimes it is a 6 hr drive for those guys,I never have seen one fly in they always drive up in a Van
Do we really need a thread slandering EVs every other week on here? We're a bus forum, not those douches who go around ICEing out charging stations (hopefully).
If anyone on here has an electric bus, I'm certain they know how to handle winter weather appropriately. If you don't like EVs, no one is forcing you to buy one and the owners of said EVs probably don't need or want your input.
I agree let's stop slandering EV's on general principle...
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 15, 2022, 08:40:39 AM
Like all those charging stations aren't already in use and reserved for two days. Not much help when you are sitting in a 10 mile long wreck site with no exit for 12 miles and even berms are blocked with stuck cars.
I haven't heard about EV charging stations being reserved for two days before. Again it depends on which EV you buy. Ok slightly opinionated here being an early Tesla adopter(2014) and still loving my eight year old Tesla which I will only replace if it is totaled...
For non-Tesla vehicles I have heard of arriving at a third party charging stations and half the stalls being inoperative or running at a reduced charging power level. Which I think is either equipment problems or them not wanting to pay for peak demand power rates from the power companies since they are trying to bootstrap themselves into a new business.
So let me get back on my hobby horse with Tesla. I have noticed Tesla super charging stations experiencing a steady growth in the number of stalls.
When I first got my car it was like flight planning an airplane in bad weather. Doable but you might go a bit out of your way to accomplish the mission. The typical number of charging stalls was between four to eight.
Recently I pulled into a Tesla charging location with 50+ stalls that was between San Francisco and Los Angles.
Anyway the cabin environment system does shorten your range but since it is a heat pump your not going to freeze except in the extreme cases. It's winter weather don't you throw in a snowmobile suit or space blankets just in case?
Petro vehicles throw 80% of the purchased energy out the tail pipe so yes it can better heat the cabin with the waste heat.
Your position is don't buy an EV because in 1% of extreme situations you might be better off with a petro vehicle? If that's the case just think of it "As evolution in action" if you didn't plan ahead in bad weather...
Ok off the soap box and running for the dam border...
PS. Yes you can charge a EV from a wall outlet but it painfully slow (like three days if fully empty) but you can stay warm in the meantime. That's level one charging, level two is 240 volts, think dryer or oven at home. Level three is charging station direct high voltage DC power to the vehicles battery pack.
PPS. A Tesla now automatically does the flight/trip planning for you
based on weather and route that you tell it and it will charge more frequently for emergency energy reserves in bad weather. Not something the car came with but a result of steady over the air software updates that Tesla pushes out to keep your car the best EV on the road..
Musk is enjoying this since he likes to hear both sides :^, I visited startup converter of Fords EV vans they are going to be nice at hefty price tag,I know people will buy the unit but a range of 75 to 100 miles would suck in a camper I think for $250k but charging is free @ a Ford charging station EV's are the future till something better comes along though,With Musk you never know he may link Telsa to StarLink and can charge from anywhere at anytime
Not against EV's. Just saw a news clip showing 3 interstates closed due to storm with at least a mile of going nowhere. Wondered how they cope in this situation. Yes, you might think a Tesla owner is smarter than average. But smart people attempt dumb things every day. I'm sure you've been on a highway in your life that you really should have stayed home.
I'm thinking a hybrid is pretty cool. Gets great fuel mileage when running on gas and charging itself for another free run on electric
Crickets................................ :^
Let's get off the subject. Electric vehicles have nothing to do with our love of busses. By the way we just bought a Jeep Rubicon hybrid. Has a whole 22-mile range on battery, but it has a 2.0 Turbo engine, runs on gas, and we love it. The kicker was it had a $8000 up front rebate.
This board would get boring as hell if it was all about buses and the owner knows it .Like EV's or not the charging stations at small business increases their sales by a bunch I see that in Needles at the DQ and the Telsa charging station at the truck stop with 15 new stations paid for by Telsa even the parking lot was paid for by Telsa.Man do I miss Don Smith RIP (Boxcarokie) he would make this conversion very interesting indeed and make you believe Telsa was a bus :^
Alright, let's talk battery drills and impact wrenches. And does anyone use a battery push mower?
Quote from: luvrbus on December 15, 2022, 02:40:18 PM
This board would get boring as hell if it was all about buses and the owner knows it .Like EV's or not the charging stations at small business increases their sales by a bunch I see that in Needles at the DQ and the Telsa charging station at the truck stop with 15 new stations paid for by Telsa even the parking lot was paid for by Telsa.Man do I miss Don Smith RIP (Boxcarokie) he would make this conversion very interesting indeed and make you believe Telsa was a bus :^
Ahhh! Good ol' Don! Regarding EV's he would probably say something like "Ev's should be recharged by wind and solar otherwise this new green thing is a lie, and I would be inclined to agree. And now so the Vegans aren't left wide eyed in the back of the room, a little rhyme to go with their reason. "Mary had a little Lamb... She ate it!
Keep it between the mustard
and the mayonnaise!
Quote from: Van on December 15, 2022, 04:22:53 PM
Ahhh! Good ol' Don! Regarding EV's he would probably say something like "Ev's should be recharged by wind and solar otherwise this new green thing is a lie, and I would be inclined to agree. And now so the Vegans aren't left wide eyed in the back of the room, a little rhyme to go with their reason. "Mary had a little Lamb... She ate it!
Keep it between the mustard
and the mayonnaise!
Don told me joke I forgot most of it,But this old cowboys horse back him into a fence one night and cut him and horse so he goes into the feed store the next day and tells the guy he wants a electric cattle prod with lights,the owner asks lights why !,the cowboy answered you stick it up the horse's @$# then he would have backup lights >:( I miss Don he could brighten you day sometimes
Quote from: dtcerrato on December 15, 2022, 12:03:24 PM
I'm thinking a hybrid is pretty cool. Gets great fuel mileage when running on gas and charging itself for another free run on electric
TANFL! To produce electricity requires power, and the energy for that comes from your car's gasoline. In other words, unless you're getting your gasoline for free you are paying to make that electricity. Sorry! It's probably about the same gasoline consumption as using the car's A/C, a small but not inconsequential amount.
John
Quote from: Iceni John on December 15, 2022, 05:41:08 PM
TANFL! To produce electricity requires power, and the energy for that comes from your car's gasoline. In other words, unless you're getting your gasoline for free you are paying to make that electricity. Sorry! It's probably about the same gasoline consumption as using the car's A/C, a small but not inconsequential amount.
John
Okay, so drop the word free. It's much better than being down with depleted batteries in a full EV.
Quote from: Iceni John on December 15, 2022, 05:41:08 PM
TANFL! To produce electricity requires power, and the energy for that comes from your car's gasoline. In other words, unless you're getting your gasoline for free you are paying to make that electricity. Sorry! It's probably about the same gasoline consumption as using the car's A/C, a small but not inconsequential amount.
John
Actually it is a bit more efficient in that it captures energy as you slow down. That energy in a regular car goes to heat produced by the brakes... But hey nothing like a EV!!!
I have noticed my disk brakes on my Tesla rusting because they only get used if you really slam on the brakes...
Quote from: Nova Eona on December 15, 2022, 09:23:54 AM
Do we really need a thread slandering EVs every other week on here? We're a bus forum, not those douches who go around ICEing out charging stations (hopefully).
If anyone on here has an electric bus, I'm certain they know how to handle winter weather appropriately. If you don't like EVs, no one is forcing you to buy one and the owners of said EVs probably don't need or want your input.
Actually, we are being forced to buy EVs. In my state (Washington), similar to California, we are being forced to buy them by virtue of making the sale of gas powered vehicles against the law. The discussion around EVs has everything to do with buses, because they are eventually going to force us out of them. Today's gas powered cars are tomorrow's buses.
Quote from: Glennman on December 15, 2022, 09:16:11 PM
Actually, we are being forced to buy EVs. In my state (Washington), similar to California, we are being forced to buy them by virtue of making the sale of gas powered vehicles against the law. The discussion around EVs has everything to do with buses, because they are eventually going to force us out of them. Today's gas powered cars are tomorrow's buses.
So if I go to Washington state right now, I cannot buy a gasoline-powered car? What about gas/diesel vehicles from other states, can those be brought in?
We are going to be forced into EV's or other fuel,AZ is giving big rebates on EV's starting next year, guess how they plan on paying for it just like always raise taxes on fuel.I feel lucky living in times in the past when $50.000.00 would buy a nice 1500 sq home with a new car and pickup in the garage then a boat or camper outside.The wife stayed home and you could pay for all of that. Pay the power bills, insurance and groceries and save money making $800.00 a month,now your grocery cost you $800.00 a month yea we are living the good life now. Makes you wonder what a 18 year male would do now when he received his personal letter from a President telling you it is time to sign up for the draft, I still have mine from Ike times are changing and not for best, but life goes on sorta
For putting around town and short trips you want to do with a tow car. I see it. Maybe. I doubt the EV designers care, but if my towed EV charged itself because the wheels are turning (while being towed), that would be a neat trick....
My neighbor bought a Tesla about a year ago. It has been towed three times!! And I am not talking about behind a bus. Two times had to be towed from his house to the Tesla doctor. And he has to go with it because the tow truck guy and mechanic can't figure out how to start it without him there!. Is it Fred or RJ that has one. Can't remember. Do you have to stick your tongue to the steering wheel so it reads your DNA or what is the trick???
I guess when fission works (or is it fusion? I get them mixed up. One of them goes boom) to make all our electricity, there will also be better power pacs in cars. It will be fun to watch them go up and down the road from my window at assisted living...
If they don't have regeneration yet, it will be. CARB and Federals will start adding distance requirements, battery emission requirements, and other energy saving rules to the electric cars once established. They aren't going to relinquish power once gas powered vehicles are off the road.
Quote from: freds on December 15, 2022, 07:31:26 AM
In the case of Tesla just hangout at a supercharger with climate control on and play games on the display. Heck a simple wall outlet somewhere will do...
And what about the line of others who are bitching about the hog at the front doing as you say. lol
I like a thread now and then about EV and batteries. Buses do have them too and there is definately sharing and overlap ih the technology.
I agree with Fred, for the 95+% uses of getting an EV to take you where you want, it's fine. If you use your brain, then it 99+% it's fine. If you just don't pay attention and not listen or read what the display is screaming at you in red, then you should get stranded.
Technology moves so fast. When a new use case or problem needs solving, it often takes very little to formulate a software upgrade and push it to all the devices. Problem fixed.
Today, there are apps that link into the network of chargers and provide real time status of where the stations are, how many are online, how many in use, etc. Unless you are out in the boonies, driving around on low in a metro ares is not a big deal. Charging stations are everywhere and the network is growing leaps and bounds. One caveat - the public companies that are in the business of EV charging stations are having a rough go of it. I've not researched it so don't know the details. But I know as sure as I'll be dead one day, if the government is pushing it, programs will come out to make it work financially for companies to get a charger on every corner.
So what you do is, after you've got your EV you go buy a small Honda portable generator and stick that in the trunk, with a short cord so you can use it for emergency recharge. Then you go get a top shelf gas can that can seal perfectly and not let any gas smells out (Since cars no longer have trunks)(probably metal since even the best plastics let a little hydrocarbon through) and attach a bracket for that to the inside of the car so it can't move around. Probably need to anchor the generator down too. Cuts down on your storage space but just consider it to be like your spare tire. Wait... do you have a spare tire? Maybe you should get one. Along with the jack and the lug wrench and the gloves. And secure all that too. Might want to add a set of tire chains while you are at it, and a road flare and emergency reflector kit. Fire extinguisher? CB radio? Extra burner cell phone? Flare gun? Blankets? Exposure suit? Chemical hand warmers? Fire starters? Sterno?
And now you are good to go. Meanwhile...
I'll just put around in my 30 year old Samurai.
Jim
The earliest proposed ban on new sales of gas cars is 2035, twelve full years from now. Twelve years ago in the other direction, the Nissan Leaf had literally just come out as the first mass-production EV, and look how far the tech and the market have come since then.
Let's say 2035 is coming up and you still don't trust EVs but *must* have a brand new car? Fine, buy a gas car in 2034, that should get you at least a solid decade of good use, more if you care for it. Let's be real here - how many of the EV-bashers on here are really concerned about being able to buy a new gas car in 2044 - 22 years from now?
Too funny Farnsworth!
I was chuckling half way through it. Jim, your mind is a scary place, but you fixed my Trail 70 throttle so you are still my hero. Hope your bus is coming together. Nine months until Nappanee. Get on it Bubba. Dan and I will swing by and pick you up. Bring tools....
CA is getting serious about EV charging I read where the state is going to spend a billion and a 1/2 charging stations. I doubt EV will ever move goods across the USA for a long.long time in the future,I think you could do it with a train on rails using the rails to supply power for charging now where is the power going to come from ,they are trying to kill solar cutting the buy back rate by 75% in CA ,the wheels on the bus go around and around lol I will set back and let you guys be the first to fly on battery powered airliners
They will be flown by computers. What could go wrong?
Quote from: Nova Eona on December 16, 2022, 10:16:09 AM
The earliest proposed ban on new sales of gas cars is 2035, twelve full years from now. Twelve years ago in the other direction, the Nissan Leaf had literally just come out as the first mass-production EV, and look how far the tech and the market have come since then.
Let's say 2035 is coming up and you still don't trust EVs but *must* have a brand new car? Fine, buy a gas car in 2034, that should get you at least a solid decade of good use, more if you care for it. Let's be real here - how many of the EV-bashers on here are really concerned about being able to buy a new gas car in 2044 - 22 years from now?
It starts in 2030 in Washington State. The frog is coming to a full boil, and this is just the beginning. This subject is all about buses, the car thing is only the catalyst.
Quote from: Glennman on December 16, 2022, 12:53:48 PM
It starts in 2030 in Washington State. The frog is coming to a full boil, and this is just the beginning. This subject is all about buses, the car thing is only the catalyst.
Citation needed.
From what I can see, they have a non-binding 'goal' of no non-zero-emission vehicles by 2030, but no prohibition in place until 2035. Let's be generous though - let's say they update the prohibition to start five years early - are you that convinced that EVs will be a huge problem come 2039? Do you think that if 2029 rolls around and there are still huge problems with the EV situation, that no one will postpone the timeline?
DC electric motors have been in use for a 100 years problem has been it takes some sorta of fuel to make DC power,like a train uses DC motors and 5500 hp diesel engine to make the DC power. I am not up on EV's but being battery powered one has to be DC since no batteries are made to store AC power I know of,They predict we will need 480% more power in 10 years because of EV's where is that going to come from ? solar and wind are not that reliable yet
Hopefully the cities won't have blackouts or brown outs this summer.
So what are they going to do with the batteries out of ev's when they are junk are they considered hazardous material? How much will it cost you to dispose of it? how much for a new one? All sound like boat loads of money and B.S. I don't think Mother earth really cares what humans do she has had climate changes way before humans developed energy out of fossil fuels. According to this website we need to get rid of people.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/climate-change-isnt-the-problem-a-population-bomb-is-killing-us-2014-09-23
I think the Greenies should start the ball rolling on to many people.
Quote from: tr206 on December 16, 2022, 07:04:05 PM
So what are they going to do with the batteries out of ev's when they are junk are they considered hazardous material? How much will it cost you to dispose of it? /quote]
F*** that everyone can lie about the numbers by taking the worst case scenario that is a no brainer vehicle to home or grid solution.
What multiple of the basic vehicle warrantee would justify every EV plugged in at home, justify not firing up a coal burning power plant?
Quote from: tr206 on December 16, 2022, 07:11:29 PM
I think the Greenies should start the ball rolling on to many people.
You can always tell when you're on the right side of an argument when you're not on the side suggesting which groups of people should die.
Quote from: Nova Eona on December 16, 2022, 01:40:09 PM
Citation needed.
From what I can see, they have a non-binding 'goal' of no non-zero-emission vehicles by 2030, but no prohibition in place until 2035. Let's be generous though - let's say they update the prohibition to start five years early - are you that convinced that EVs will be a huge problem come 2039? Do you think that if 2029 rolls around and there are still huge problems with the EV situation, that no one will postpone the timeline?
I said it "starts" in 2030.
My wife and I seriously considered buying an electric car for her since all her driving is local to the store or what have you (she has never driven on the freeway and refuses to). But we ended up with a new Subaru for no other reason except that we liked the car. That being said, I'm not afraid of EVs. I just think that they are trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist, and that is being forced upon us (if not today, they are eventually). They've been reducing emissions for decades on all vehicles, but apparently that wasn't enough. Nothing is ever enough. Next it will be the batteries, then...? Try researching how much power (emissions) is needed to produce a single electric vehicle including the battery and add the consumption factors in. You might be surprised. To be honest I haven't personally researched it, but I've heard that it is a wash, or even a reversal, but I could be wrong. To keep with the subject of buses, I love buses! Take care :)
It is all political BS on both sides guys things pass and people make up their own mind.LOL I was reading today were the Dept of Energy was going to replace the SPR oil with 3 million barrels the math doesn't add up Biden released over 200 million barrels.No party should not be allowed to use the SPR for a friggin candy store.As a taxpayer it pisses you off replacing $ 25.00 a barrel oil with $75.00 a barrel oil for political bs
Quote from: luvrbus on December 17, 2022, 05:13:47 AM
It is all political BS on both sides guys things pass and people make up their own mind.LOL I was reading today were the Dept of Energy was going to replace the SPR oil with 3 million barrels the math doesn't add up Biden released over 200 million barrels.No party should not be allowed to use the SPR for a friggin candy store.As a taxpayer it pisses you off replacing $ 25.00 a barrel oil with $75.00 a barrel oil for political bs
Agreed! It's all about controlling our freedoms and the all mighty dallar. Where's that time machine I would like to get stuck back in the fifties where all you had to worry about was having enough money to go to the movies.
Quote from: tr206 on December 17, 2022, 05:33:37 AM
Agreed! It's all about controlling our freedoms and the all mighty dallar. Where's that time machine I would like to get stuck back in the fifties where all you had to worry about was having enough money to go to the movies.
LOL and that was only a quarter. :^
Remember the big beauiful cars, trucks, buses and semi trucks oh and through in some steam engines too. The good ole days. And mostly a united people.
Quote from: tr206 on December 17, 2022, 05:45:39 AM
Remember the big beauiful cars, trucks, buses and semi trucks. The good ole days. And mostly a united people.
YES I DO remember those good ole' days! :^ And thanks for the mention...
Quote from: tr206 on December 17, 2022, 05:45:39 AM
Remember the big beauiful cars, trucks, buses and semi trucks oh and through in some steam engines too. The good ole days. And mostly a united people.
I remember my new 55 DelRay Chevy with the new tubeless tires, 12volt system, 265 V/8 power pack was hard to pay for 2 years at $33.00 a month and insurance @$15.00 a year
There must be more great memories out there lets here them.
Tried of here about EV's and all the other crap.
power was out for 6 hrs at the house I am building so when it got dark I gave up and went home to the old house
ya lots of power out there if it works
good thing most of my tools are battery powered now but when I go up today I hope the power is back on as I need to charge them all
Quote from: sledhead on December 17, 2022, 06:15:18 AM
power was out for 6 hrs at the house I am building so when it got dark I gave up and went home to the old house
ya lots of power out there if it works
good thing most of my tools are battery powered now but when I go up today I hope the power is back on as I need to charge them all
Why the black.out. Hope it's up today!
I grew up in small town U.S.A. Do you guy's remember when most towns had a bus depot? Greyhound use to service our area they moved people yes but also brought parts for the car dealers and goods for the hardware.
I remember the first Greyhound bus? in our town when a kid. Loved that exhaust smell.
Yep I remember Trailways and Greyhound bus stations and drivers unloading supplies and maybe a passenger and their bags back then it was the way your parts were shipped no Fedx or UPS
Quote from: tr206 on December 17, 2022, 05:33:37 AM
Agreed! It's all about controlling our freedoms and the all mighty dallar. Where's that time machine I would like to get stuck back in the fifties where all you had to worry about was having enough money to go to the movies.
Tell me you're white without telling me you're white lol.
Good grief what does being white have to do with it
man, ppl losing their mind on this thread, must rank in the top for going OT.
Back to EV.
1) They are sutpidly simple devices. A battery, cables, an inverter, and a motor. done.
2) Yeah, battery replacement is a issue. I have not researched how much is recyclable at scale. I'm assuming there are rare materials in there and at scale there could be ways to recover at least some of the material.
3) It's coming for real, so no need to argue about if, it is just when, and watch for the amount of continued or increased government subsidy to get over the hump. (Yes, this one is political)
4) Wild card but a few years out is fusion. If the recent breakthroughs lead to clean energy on a small scale, micro plants in each city for example, that will put an end to where does clean energy come from.
5) Long haul transport will transform in a major way. Once autonomous is commonplace and most truck/trailers running down the highways are driverless, then less are needed as they can run 24/7. As to recharging, all that is needed is swappable power packs and that can be automated too. Truck pull into a recharge station, gets positioned to where robots remove and replace the battery pack and off it goes on the next leg.
6) The last paradigm for the day is we will not be owning and driving cars really soon. The reason Uber is SO serious about autonomous vehicles as they can just swap the driver car with a robot car.
Look at where the whole car thing is going. You used to buy a car then just pay to keep it going-pay for gas, insurance, repairs, etc. The new trend and it is happening now is a car becomes a subscription play. I really wanted a full auto drive car but look at the money grubbing assholsdf that now charge on ongoing fee to get some features. Every business person know the subscription business model is the holy grail. Instead of making a sale and getting money once, you chain up the sucker and charge them every single month until they die. Capitalism at its finest.
Anyway, cost of owning your own car will become unaffordable for personal use. Ah, but you can sign up for that monthy or pay as you use fee. I do see maybe a few neighbors could buy a full self drive car and share the cost. Would need to work out scheduling conflicts but barring that who cares. Just click the app and it shows up at an adhoc or scheduled time. Jump in and it drops you off at your destination. stay tuned - its coming.
Quote from: luvrbus on December 17, 2022, 08:56:51 AM
Good grief what does being white have to do with it
Oh just that only a straight white male would unironically wish they could go back to the 50s. Rose colored glasses aplenty in this thread.
Quote from: Nova Eona on December 17, 2022, 10:24:00 AM
Oh just that only a straight white male would unironically wish they could go back to the 50s. Rose colored glasses aplenty in this thread.
Lot of people wearing blinders too
Don't want to have a car that drives its self. Lol. Sorry but I love to drive my own car. That sounds like west world or soilent green. Even Elon said we have to be careful because like DAVE in 2001 movie, he got taken over by the Computer and he says that has already happened in a few areas where the computers are learning to program their selves and won't need us around....
Quote from: Nova Eona on December 17, 2022, 10:24:00 AM
Oh just that only a straight white male would unironically wish they could go back to the 50s. Rose colored glasses aplenty in this thread.
Got nothing to do with race didn't even enter my mind. Must be the first thing on yours right? Sorry you assume all white people are racists.
Quote from: tr206 on December 17, 2022, 01:33:35 PM
Sorry you assume all white people are racists.
That is usually the assumption and it is quite a severely racist one. Anyone who simply makes the assumption that you are intentionally disparaging another based on race without first becoming aware of your INTENTIONS is in fact themselves being extremely racist. I have many times been the victim of this sort of racism. It has ENDED promising friendships at the drop of a hat.
So don't tell me that all white people are raciast. Most of us are far less so than others.
Jim
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 17, 2022, 06:58:20 AM
I remember the first Greyhound bus? in our town when a kid. Loved that exhaust smell.
:^ Can't beat that smell of diesel really takes me back.
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on December 17, 2022, 01:44:01 PM
That is usually the assumption and it is quite a severely racist one. Anyone who simply makes the assumption that you are intentionally disparaging another based on race without first becoming aware of your INTENTIONS is in fact themselves being extremely racist. I have many times been the victim of this sort of racism. It has ENDED promising friendships at the drop of a hat.
So don't tell me that all white people are raciast. Most of us are far less so than others.
Jim
Thank You. What the hell.
I honestly can't tell if this thread has just gotten funnier or sadder in the last few posts.
Obviously sadder. Where the good ole days is somehow for straight white racists males really. If your gay you do you I don't care I don't think any of us do. But your not going to make any friends assuming we all are. I hope you never have to long for the good ole days but I do and it has nothing to do with any kind of racism. For most just much simpler times less government in your life unless your old and lived it then it's probably hard to understand.
I am from the 50's and the best man at my wedding was black and we were lifelong friends till Robert passed away 15 years ago,the 50's were more simple times,hell I still like the music from the 50's all the evil music of that time frame :^ RIP Chuck Berry and Leverne Baker
Clifford times sure have changed. Now they are using race to try and divide us a political agenda I believe united we stand divided we fall anyway I hope we can withstand it. My reason for the trip down memory lane.
Nothing wrong with trips down memory lane plus we lived through a lot of history both good and bad,I just wish Ike would have kept computers out of the IRS lol there was a time when you could do your taxes in few minutes on a form the size of a post card.I always had good paying jobs and back then you paid S/S on the 1st 3000 bucks then you stopped paying and the extra was added back to your pay check not happening now for sure it costs you 3000 buck to have your taxes filed
Quote from: dtcerrato on December 17, 2022, 06:34:07 AM
Why the black.out. Hope it's up today!
ya all is good power was back on that day but not when I left .
I tried to turn off all the lights but had 3 different 3 ways that turned back on with the power so it was a bright house all night while I was gone
all because of snow
can't wait to get to Florida
Quote from: luvrbus on December 18, 2022, 06:02:00 AM
Nothing wrong with trips down memory lane plus we lived through a lot of history both good and bad,I just wish Ike would have kept computers out of the IRS lol there was a time when you could do your taxes in few minutes on a form the size of a post card.I always had good paying jobs and back then you paid S/S on the 1st 3000 bucks then you stopped paying and the extra was added back to your pay check not happening now for sure it costs you 3000 buck to have your taxes filed
I here yeah it's all upside down. Well I have to run to town and get some stuff because were having dare I say (Christmas) with the kids today.