WTF?!
Oh that's nothing to worry about. just one of those minor hidden costs that you, as a new buyer will never have to deal with. Trust us, We're the Government, we're here to help.
Quote from: dtcerrato on September 03, 2022, 11:17:17 AM
WTF?!
I saw the same bill referring to a Nissan, that bill maybe a little iffy since the Telsa battery bank is around $12,000.00 to replace but 12g's is still a lot of money for a battery replacement IMO
Wait until you find out you can only charge your car when the government/power company says your can.
A Chevy Volt ain't a bus. Wrong board.
Don;t know why they don't just put a couple of solar panels on top of the EV's and an inverter in the back and as long as there is sun it charges itself, LOL :^
Quote from: Dave5Cs on September 03, 2022, 01:38:50 PM
Don;t know why they don't just put a couple of solar panels on top of the EV's and an inverter in the back and as long as there is sun it charges itself, LOL :^
Hard to believe a Volt cost $25,000.00 and a battery replacement cost more than the car did new.One has to love the Volt's commercials" buy the Volt and no more gas stations "all the Volts I saw were waiting on the Fire Depatments around here
Quote from: Nova Eona on September 03, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
A Chevy Volt ain't a bus. Wrong board.
It could easily be a towed vehicle behind a bus - close enough IMO
Quote from: luvrbus on September 03, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
Hard to believe a Volt cost $25,000.00 and a battery replacement cost more than the car did new.One has to love the Volt's commercials" buy the Volt and no more gas stations "all the Volts I saw were waiting on the Fire Depatments around here
Here's the problem with EV's.
https://youtu.be/AynXoLjYrKc
wasn't that the newer bolts?
Yeah LG batteries has a big @$# recall outstanding on lots of EV as they catch fire.
They are the reason for the recall of the Chevy Bolt which has such a bad reputation now that they have to discount the new ones.
I say buy a Tesla and get real quality from someone who knows what they are doing.
Yes a few Tesla's have caught fire but no where near the rate of other EV's or heck gas cars which don't even make the news as it's so common...
My Tesla just passed it's eight year warrantee and is still going very strong with very little battery degradation of around 1 1/2%.
I still release my inter demon with an oz or two of foot pressure.
Over eight years it's been less than $1000.00 of out of pocket for repairs and locally it goes about 1000 miles on $20.00 of electricity.
Also the Tesla super charger network is head and shoulders above any other long distance traveling solution.
I toured the Tesla battery plant outside Sparks they are LG batteries too aren't they ,Panosonic had a R&D unit there too, never quite understood what was going on except Panasonic was developing some type of capacitor battery,some areas were guarded like Fort Knox
It honestly feels like California is trying to force the rest of the world to solve a problem that is LA specific. (Parts of China too I suppose.) What hubris. Nowhere else in the world do we have such arrogant insufferable idiots, and I think the reason is that they never venture outside their little coccoon to see if anybody has it any better. They are just that deluded that it isn't even possible. Plenty of us could tell them different, if they would listen. Hey, I lived a year in LA as well as many other places around the world. I do know what I'm talking about. And yes it has a generally nice climate and often an ocean breeze but there are a LOT of nicer places to live. All the Hollywood hype and the constant suck pulling in population from elsewhere has pretty well ruined the place and now in their arrogance they want us to fix it for them? Honestly my response is Adios YOYO. Leave me out of it. I don't want or need an electric car. Lord forbid an electric bus. And you think that stuff will spread do you? Is that what happened to London at the time of the Big Stink? Apparently not. Stop being all hysterically paranoid Chicken Little, and start looking at sensible solutions instead of Draconian knee jerk reactions. Friggin' Politicos.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on September 05, 2022, 07:02:09 AM
It honestly feels like California is trying to force the rest of the world to solve a problem that is LA specific. (Parts of China too I suppose.) What hubris. Nowhere else in the world do we have such arrogant insufferable idiots, and I think the reason is that they never venture outside their little coccoon to see if anybody has it any better. They are just that deluded that it isn't even possible. Plenty of us could tell them different, if they would listen. Hey, I lived a year in LA as well as many other places around the world. I do know what I'm talking about. And yes it has a generally nice climate and often an ocean breeze but there are a LOT of nicer places to live. All the Hollywood hype and the constant suck pulling in population from elsewhere has pretty well ruined the place and now in their arrogance they want us to fix it for them? Honestly my response is Adios YOYO. Leave me out of it. I don't want or need an electric car. Lord forbid an electric bus. And you think that stuff will spread do you? Is that what happened to London at the time of the Big Stink? Apparently not. Stop being all hysterically paranoid Chicken Little, and start looking at sensible solutions instead of Draconian knee jerk reactions. Friggin' Politicos.
Jim
It is control and money the DC crowds follow the money and the money controls ,Ill never own a EV either the Lithium-Ion batteries are good but I not am,not buying those either,the cordless tool manufactures and cell phones are forcing that on you though.Looking at the mines in Neveda that is going to be one hella of super fund EPA clean up costing billions of dollars when the mines close and they will when all the brine wells dry up
Quote from: luvrbus on September 04, 2022, 03:46:46 PM
I toured the Tesla battery plant outside Sparks they are LG batteries too aren't they ,Panosonic had a R&D unit there too, never quite understood what was going on except Panasonic was developing some type of capacitor battery,some areas were guarded like Fort Knox
No that plant is pure Panasonic. I haven't heard of Tesla using any LG batteries yet.
But hey they are the 800lb gorilla for anyone who can produce batteries at scale...
Actually a EV is about 77% efficient in delivering power to the wheels. Where as petro vehicle is lucky to do 20% as the rest of the energy goes out the tail pipe.
Though petro helps in cold weather as there is lots of waste heat that can be used to warm the cabin.
I drove the Tesla for a year for what it cost me to drive my diesel pickup 400 miles.
And it wasn't a heavy pick-up or worked like a pick-up either..>>>Dan
forget debating. leg humpers are sold on the technology.
Battery powered vehicles might have a place under certain conditions, such as commuter vehicles in big city stop and go driving, especially with regenerative braking.
However the future of any kind of distance driving, when there are periods (which may come back sooner than we think, with droughts effecting so many hydro electric dams), of Brown outs from over drawing from the power grids
Hydrogen powered combustion and hydrogen electric engines are not only in the near future, but are available in rebuilding current engines.
As an example, from Complete Coach Works web site:
Hydrogen is an emissions-free alternative fuel produced from diverse energy sources. We offer affordable and environmentally friendly hydrogen fuel solutions.
And far less polluting Fuel alternatives still around:
Many older buses can be revitalized with a simple repower or fuel conversion to alternative fuels such as CNG, LNG, Propane, or Hybrid Drive Systems.
Quote from: lvmci on September 06, 2022, 09:59:39 AM
Battery powered vehicles might have a place under certain conditions, such as commuter vehicles in big city stop and go driving, especially with regenerative braking.
However the future of any kind of distance driving, when there are periods (which may come back sooner than we think, with droughts effecting so many hydro electric dams), of Brown outs from over drawing from the power grids
Hydrogen powered combustion and hydrogen electric engines are not only in the near future, but are available in rebuilding current engines.
As an example, from Complete Coach Works web site:
Hydrogen is an emissions-free alternative fuel produced from diverse energy sources. We offer affordable and environmentally friendly hydrogen fuel solutions.
And far less polluting Fuel alternatives still around:
Many older buses can be revitalized with a simple repower or fuel conversion to alternative fuels such as CNG, LNG, Propane, or Hybrid Drive Systems.
Hydrogen is a pipe dream because:
It has to be produced from scratch and has some downsides as it is difficult to produce, store, dispense in the vehicle and simply transport it.
It requires more energy to produce than can be recovered and as a feed stock to combustion engine would be impracticable to use.
I do agree that our diesel engines could be made cleaner with propane or CNG, however doing so would require a new engine and a fuel storage system.
I would take the position that large vehicles like ours are going to have to remain with a liquid fuel to be practicable as we have such a low duty cycle.
Not a leg humper myself as I have burned quite a few dinosaurs over the course of my life. But you do have to look ahead and the only practicable course for smaller vehicles is electric.
Diesel used to be dirt cheap as it was a byproduct of making gasoline, I wonder what it's price would be if gasoline was no longer a top seller?
I think we will ultimately benefit from the efforts to make jet fuel green? Some interesting projects out there making liquid fuels with concentrated sunlight...
Anyway any new technology has problems. A long EV cross country trip involves trip planning a bit like planning for flying a airplane. My first long distance trip in the Tesla eight years ago before the super charger network went in was quite an adventure.
The biggest problem with EV's is the charging network which is a no brainer for Tesla users as the car manages that planning for you.
Current third party charging networks for other RV's are having problems with availability and reliability. They are about six to seven years behind Tesla in my estimation.
My roommate who is dumb are rocks in some cases just finished a 3000+ mile trip in my Tesla to go to a rock concert without any problems.
Not something I would lightly attempt in other EV's.
Anyway this is my last post to this thread. If there is EV alternative to the next vehicle that I need; based on my experience I will go with that!!!
I really hate driving my diesel pickup as you can dam near see the fuel gauge move while you watch it and know that you have to visit a fuel station to pump money into the pump to refill the tank.
Also green power sources are becoming so cheap to build I don't think we will ever see a new coal or gas power plant built again.
Sounds like a boom for tow trucks! Also big diesel power portable gen sets to give emergency power in middle lane of freeway.! I would try it for local running around. With a old petrol on stand by. It's 180 mile each way to vanderbuilt @ nashville.tn from us. Could turn day trip into 2 day trip? (go there for wife med).?????Bob
There are plenty of NG power plant coming on line with 75 permits pending so all is not green yet ,the charging stations in Needles are all Telsa but they have lines for the 6 spots all day long,we have several friends with Telsa they like the cars for local driving in Scottsdale, but they don't drive theirs to Ok and Texas.Diesel trucks do better on fuel milage than the LP or CNG truck engine,guy that drives for UPS told me their CNG Kentworths with the Cummins CNG engines are 3 mpg and is offset buy the cost CNG is around $1.25 a gal UPS cost
Scientists Find a Simple Way to Produce Hydrogen From Water at Room Temperature
PHYSICS31 August 2022
By DAVID NIELD
An aluminum-gallium alloy reacting with water in a test tube
Bubbles of hydrogen gas are generated from the reaction of water with an aluminum-gallium composite. (Amberchan et al., Applied Nano Materials, 2022)
Hydrogen fuel promises to be a clean and abundant source of energy in the future – as long as scientists can figure out ways to produce it practically and cheaply, and without fossil fuelsA new study provides us with another promising step in that direction, provided you can make use of existing supplies of post-consumer aluminum and gallium.In the new research, scientists describe a relatively simple method involving aluminum nanoparticles that are able to strip the oxygen from water molecules and leave hydrogen gas.
The process yields large amounts of hydrogen, and it all works at room temperature.
That removes one of the big barriers to hydrogen fuel production: the large amounts of power required to produce it using existing methods.
This technique works with any kind of water, too, including wastewater and ocean water.
"We don't need any energy input, and it bubbles hydrogen like crazy," says materials scientist Scott Oliver from the University of California, Santa Cruz...
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There are other companies coming on line with the traditional electrolysis methods, powered by solar photo voltaic and wind powered electrical generation.
https://www.livescience.com/29476-gallium.html
Give 'em another 20 years or so to figure out how to milk the public with it and we may see it on the streets.
Jim
I find it hard to predict the future, but I do believe we are in for some changes. When you buy a car you are not really trying to guess what the future holds; rather you are making a choice about what works for now and the next 10 years or so. Therefore, depending on your use, an electric vehicle could be a good option.
There are lots of happy Tesla customers, and it appears that most do not have a lot of complaints. However, many that do have problems find it hard to get them resolved. Tesla has nowhere near the number of service facilities to deal with the current fleet. Those people can get pretty frustrated. Hydrogen, which may offer significant potential, is not a viable option to yet though.
One issue with electrics is a place like California is that the state is already short on generation and getting worse. They are now trying to extend the life of a nuclear plant for another tens years. Meanwhile there have been serious shortages for the past week. Adding a substantial amount of electric cars could just crash the system. On the comic side, PG&E and Socal Ed have been buying energy from my Tesla Powerwall for $2/kwh for the past week through a Tesla program called, "The Virtual Power Plant." This is for just a couple of the peak hours. At the same time, the utilities commission is trying various ways to kill the solar rooftop industry for the state through proposing one looney fee and/or tax on self generation. Of course, if one is required to pay a large fee for the privilege of generating power and/or be taxed for what is produced, there will be a lot less people interested.
As large as the Phoenix area is Telsa only has 1 service center in Tempe ,Telsa has 4 dealers to sell the Telsa ,our friends say it takes months to get in the service center most of the time,The Telsa is neat in Phoenix heat I see those plugged in at Whole Foods in Scottsdale with the AC running for hours lol no overheating problems on idle with the AC going .I heard Amazon the owner of Whole Foods was going to stop people from doing that though
A local shopping center just got a bank of around 17 Tesla charging stations installed. I would not have guessed that Yucca Valley needed that many, but I still have not seen anyone plugged in there. I'm only there a couple of times a week though.
We just got home from a cross country trip dragging the boat behind the (diesel powered) pickup. I didn't pass many fuel pumps and I'm afraid to add up what it cost. The truck is bad enough but the boat is even worse so I'd love to be able to believe the EV hype. Its kind of like religion - I'd love to believe that too but the cynic in me says that's a bridge too far.
We've got charging stations proliferating like rats north of the border but I have yet to see a single vehicle plugged in at one of them. Even in the wilderness of northern Ontario where I wondered if I could make it to the next diesel pump there was EV hookups sitting lonely on the corner of the lots.
My bro-in-law bought a Tesla. He had a perfectly good Golf Cabriolet that they hardly ever drove but the government paid him something north of 10 grand to have it squished. He couldn't trade it in - couldn't sell it to some kid - had to provide a receipt saying it had been squished. My tax dollars at work. And this for a guy who has almost as much money as Clifford.
email From Nevada Energy:
Dear NV Energy Customer,
Today is expected to be the hottest day of the extraordinary heat wave underway across the western United states that has contributed to higher energy demand, especially in California, and could cause a significant reduction in available energy supply for Nevada from western energy markets.
To help address this potential shortfall, NV Energy is urging all of its electric customers to reduce electricity usage daily Tuesday, September 6 through Thursday, September 8 between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m.
Conservation ensures our electric grid is in the best position possible to meet the energy needs of all customers during this period of extreme heat and energy demand.
Effective measures to conserve energy during this time period include:
Adjust the thermostat to 78 degrees or higher to reduce the use of air conditioning, barring any medical issues, and use ceiling fans to cool people and pets. Pre-cool your home prior to 5 p.m.
Avoid using large electrical appliances such as dishwashers, washing machines and electric clothes dryers
Turn off pool pumps
Unplug appliances not in use
Close window coverings to keep the heat out
Keep the refrigerator and freezer closed as much as possible
Do not charge electric vehicles
Turn off unnecessary lights
Thank you
The big money people in Scottsdale are buying the Lucid EV made in Tuscon Az supposed to be a better car than a Telsa with over a 500 mile range between charges lol for a $170,000.00 + each they should go across the US and back without charge,I am ok with gas or diesel if I run out of fuel, I can carry a couple of gals of fuel
just take a cell phone power pack along and plug into cigarette lighter. youll be good to go.
https://www.quora.com/Do-businesses-with-a-Tesla-Charging-station-get-paid-by-Tesla-Why-would-they-pay-to-have-one-installed-if-many-drivers-have-free-miles-from-Tesla
smart move by tesla. remember when apple gave computers to schools early on? paid off in the long run.
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Not sure why i'm posting buty Fred is an EV convert. I am too but still waiting for the glut of new WEV models due in the next year or two. China is ramping up big time. USA is still the laggard but will catch up.
QuoteGeely plans to produce the Polestar 3 at the Volvo plant in South Carolina in the USNIO
Citing LMC Automotive data, the Times said China will make more than eight million EVs by 2028, while Europe is on track to make five million by then. But North America will produce just 1.4 million EVs by 2028.
My solution for short trips where possible is my upgraded ebile. The new battery pack is at 1700 watts. I don't cruise more than 35 mph, falling would hurt too much at my advanced age.
The dash image shows 815 watts to go 30 miles, about 27 watts per mile.
At 13 cents/kWh (off peak): 37 miles for 13 cents or
100 miles for about 35 cents.
I have a 3/4 wheel version on the drawing board that will have plenty of storage ot hold a few bags of groceries. Enclosed for all weather use, AC optional LOL
I read today Hydrogen is the future for all car manufactures interesting read Toyota is passing on the EV"s along with others, Hydrogen is big in the UK ,Shell oil is involved with building the cell stations.Musk may change directions before long :^
No different than going to another form of horse less carriage.. lol
Assuming they get any sort of efficiency out of this catalytic hydrolysis, and fuel cells can be manufactured economically, and the usable service life is acceptable, hydrogen may have a chance, particularly if they come up with a storage method something like is used with acetylene so that tank pressures can be low. (The acetylene molecules attach to acetone molecules in the tank and greatly reduce the vapor pressure)
But, the catalytic electrolysis does sound an awful lot like a perpetual motion machine at this point. You don't get something for nothing so where does the energy come from to break the hydrogen oxygen bond? Until that question is clearly answered and understood what we are talking about here is snake oil. The entire process depends on catalysts and until we have inexpensive and environmentally friendly catalysts for both ends of the process (hydrolysis and fuel cell) it's still vaporware. Just the fact that these three issues are not being openly discussed tells me that we are still a decade or two away from a real world solution.
Jim
Interstate trucking, boats, trains, already to go, but the real money will be middle America...
Hydrogen seems to be a lot like nuclear fusion - it could be an incredible technology, but there remain significant hurdles to widespread use. Not to say it can't or won't happen, but it would be fundamentally foolish to ignore EVs - which work today and are getting better all the time - in favor of waiting for hydrogen.
Also worth noting that the two technologies are not fundamentally opposed - wouldn't a hybrid hydrogen-EV vehicle be the best of both worlds? High-efficiency-high-torque electric motors driven by battery (or supercapacitor while we're talking future tech), hydrogen power generation to keep the batteries topped up on longer trips.
With Shell in the mix now in the UK for the infrastructure it won't be long in Europe here our politics will slow it down ,their power bills are expensive in the UK
Hydrogen vehicles are not vaporware. CA has been promoting hydrogen fleet vehicles for years. Yoiu seem plenty of govt. cars running on hydrogen. Naturally, it is far easier to refuel back in the central motor pool but there is constant increase. The article below reports increase in hydrogen buses running around.
That said, there is no arguing that EV is going to be the next standard, not hydrogen.
https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/clean-transportation-program/clean-transportation-funding-areas-1https://driveclean.ca.gov/search-vehicleshttps://www.hydrogenfwd.org/california-plans-to-double-hydrogen-fuel-cell-bus-fleet-with-current-purchase-pipeline/
Yeah, page not found. I'm not saying there aren't a few hydrogen vehicles out there, any more than I'd say there aren't some cars running on Brown's gas and just because Cali has promoted a small fleet doesn't really mean all that much when you consider that they have virtually unlimited funds at their disposal.
No, what I am saying is that for this to hit prime time those three things I mentioned have to be not just solved but widely understood, so that not only does the average service guy have a snowball's chance of fixing it when it breaks, but so that just as importantly the cost to put it on the street and operate it is competitive with or better than existing technologies. The fact that we are not seeing widespread discussion of those three issues means that they are still trade secrets to whatever extent they have been worked out, and the owners of those secrets are trying to profit by their knowledge, meaning extra cost for anyone wanting to use those secrets. Once it becomes common knowledge the cost comes down, often dramatically. So I'll stand by my 10-20 year estimate particularly since that's about how long a US patent runs.
This doesn't even begin to address the environmental impact or the scarcity of rare earth materials for the manufacture of catalysts, or even the possibility that a low pressure hydrogen storage method may not be a nut we can crack during that time period. So in a practical sense for the average consumer it remains just that, Vaporware. Notwithstanding government incentives.
Jim
Here's one that works. When Arnold was Gov he drove a Hummer that was Hydrogen also.
https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/clean-transportation-program/clean-transportation-funding-areas-1
one thing, getting away from catalitic converters, will stop use of a lot of rare earth minerals in their production, although there will probably be other demands for them.
Don't know about you guys but I have less than zero interest in having a large tank pressurized to about 2000psi in the vehicle.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on September 12, 2022, 12:34:42 PM
Don't know about you guys but I have less than zero interest in having a large tank pressurized to about 2000psi in the vehicle.
Jim
I think it is closer to 10,000 lbs I saw 2 pumps that dispersed 5000 or 10,000 psi ,the tanks look like fiberglass but are metal I was told
I don't think anyone here is suggesting hydrogen has greater than zero chance of widespread adoption. Batteries is a done deal. Within the next two years there will be many dozens of models on the market. Virtually all existing automakers are in and there are quite a few new companies introducing new models as well. The charging infrastructure is ramping up much faster and in a couple years there will be plenty of choices along the main intercity highway systems
Quote from: windtrader on September 12, 2022, 01:27:14 PM
I don't think anyone here is suggesting hydrogen has greater than zero chance of widespread adoption. Batteries is a done deal. Within the next two years there will be many dozens of models on the market. Virtually all existing automakers are in and there are quite a few new companies introducing new models as well. The charging infrastructure is ramping up much faster and in a couple years there will be plenty of choices along the main intercity highway systems
EV's to me are not the answer for our environment, the waste from Lithium batteries are already classified as hazardous under EPA recovery act,then the mining of Lithium is nasty and uses millions gals of water just to evaporate into the air. When the brine wells dry up they will be pumping from the ocean, A storm came through last night and knocked the power out and when I went to Napa today there was still at least 20 waiting on a charge ,me I am not buying into the EV's for clean energy
One teeny-weeny tiny little snag with hydrogen: it takes more energy to produce it than it gives out, i.e. there's a net energy loss with it. Even though it's the universe's most abundant element, it doesn't occur naturally on this planet, so it has to be made from something else, like petroleum or natural gas... If you factor in all the costs, it's obviously no more than a snake-oil scam for the gullible to get excited over. At best, all it does is exchange the pollution from one place to another, just like EVs and E-bikes and all the other E-nonsense out there now. None of this will "save the planet". We're screwed, big time. We're the only species on this planet that shits in its own nest.
John
Quote from: luvrbus on September 12, 2022, 02:26:48 PM
EV's to me are not the answer for our environment, the waste from Lithium batteries are already classified as hazardous under EPA recovery act,then the mining of Lithium is nasty and uses millions gals of water just to evaporate into the air. When the brine wells dry up they will be pumping from the ocean, A storm came through last night and knocked the power out and when I went to Napa today there was still at least 20 waiting on a charge ,me I am not buying into the EV's for clean energy
Here's the problem with EV's Yoda...
https://youtu.be/AynXoLjYrKc
Some older members here may remember ads on TV showing natural gas back in 70's saying and showing the flame going out in a few years.Working for Tennesse Gas (Tenneco) we had 1000's of miles of 30 to 42 inch pipe across the USA pumping 24 hours a day, Dilling 20 gas wells a year and capping those wells with some @ 15.000 psi at the well head,I would lMAO ,a lot of people really believed that crap though and rushed to convert their homes to electric, that old flame is burning diesel fuel and gasoline are not going away anytime soon
Scientists Find a Simple Way to Produce Hydrogen From Water at Room Temperature
PHYSICS31 August 2022
ByDAVID NIELD
An aluminum-gallium alloy reacting with water in a test tube
Bubbles of hydrogen gas are generated from the reaction of water with an aluminum-gallium composite. (Amberchan et al., Applied Nano Materials, 2022)
Hydrogen fuel promises to be a clean and abundant source of energy in the future – as long as scientists can figure out ways to produce it practically and cheaply, and without fossil fuels A new study provides us with another promising step in that direction, provided you can make use of existing supplies of post-consumer aluminum and gallium.In the new research, scientists describe a relatively simple method involving aluminum nanoparticles that are able to strip the oxygen from water molecules and leave hydrogen gas.
The process yields large amounts of hydrogen, and it all works at room temperature.
That removes one of the big barriers to hydrogen fuel production: the large amounts of power required to produce it using existing methods.
This technique works with any kind of water, too, including wastewater and ocean water.
"We don't need any energy input, and it bubbles hydrogen like crazy," says materials scientist Scott Oliver from the University of California, Santa Cruz...
la batteries have been producing hydrogen gas for years. now to collect, compress, and burn in engine.
Galium,another mineral that may not exist in necessary quantity to produce the amount of hydrogen we will require.
Sounds really good but what are they leaving out? You don't get something for nothing. There has to be a cost involved in breaking that oxygen/hydrogen bond and it has to be paid in some way. What they aren't saying is how? Oh sure just use a catalyst. Code word for Magic? Well it's not and they aren't explaining how it is doing the impossible. Catalyst science is old and well known. It does not violate the fundamental laws of physics I do not think. So how is this possible, and where are the scales being balanced? That's what I want to know.
Jim
Harness the power of methane gas in a human fart problem solved,technogly in EV's and Hydrogen will advance in the coming years IMO ,I am in no hurry to rush and buy either
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on September 13, 2022, 06:44:07 AM
Sounds really good but what are they leaving out? You don't get something for nothing. There has to be a cost involved in breaking that oxygen/hydrogen bond and it has to be paid in some way. What they aren't saying is how? Oh sure just use a catalyst. Code word for Magic? Well it's not and they aren't explaining how it is doing the impossible. Catalyst science is old and well known. It does not violate the fundamental laws of physics I do not think. So how is this possible, and where are the scales being balanced? That's what I want to know.
Jim
Remember Cold Fusion? The answer to the energy problem.
We know what works right now. Fossil fuels work, so do EV's. Each may have limitations but have many happy users. Hydrogen as a fuel or for a fuel cell also works, but is not yet in widespread use. That does not mean, however, that they never will be. Given time, cheap production will become possible. It is reasonable to assume that there will be some downsides just as there is to other options, but it can become an alternative. Even cold fusion will probably happen one day. I don't know when, but I would not bet against it.
There is a similarity to hydrogen combustion engine fuel to CNG and propane fueled engines, which are common throughout the world. Whether the hydrogen engines power by direct combustion propulsion to drive or hydrogen/electric propulsion, the adaption time will be quicker because of the similarities. Cars, Pickups and commercial vehicles are already on the road, some manufactured by major vehicle manufacturers like Toyota, Honda, Mitsubishi, Volvo and Daimler to name a few.
It took Clear Energy just a few years to build CNG filling stations throughout America. I think that is the model, manufacturers are encouraging start up hydrogen filling stations companies to build.
Then there is the tesla effect.
Existing manufacturers don't want to be one upped again, as happened with ECars. They are looking for alternatives, Chevy had hydrogen/electric prototypes running around several years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80qsbhU66HQ&t=185s
Quote from: Lin on September 23, 2022, 10:44:30 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80qsbhU66HQ&t=185s
I'm a diggin the wind up Yaurus :)
Ok I saw a totally funny video farce about using AA batteries for an EV!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/744188419/videos/491793316055978/?app=fbl (https://www.facebook.com/744188419/videos/491793316055978/?app=fbl)