As of this morning, the manager of the KOA in Florence, SC. informed my wife that he had just returned from "KOA University" and they told him that busses were not welcome at KOA except for some classes. One of the classes that were welcome included 'skoolies' because they were "Short". A 35' bus is longer than a 35' motor home or school bus? Hmmm, interesting.
He also informed us that we could not stay past April 1, 2007.
Hmmm. I know my bus isn't the most beautiful in the country, but, I didn't think it was that bad. I have no chimney sticking out a window, I don't dump on the ground and my area is cleaner than probably 80% of the spaces on the place.
I believe this is a case of discrimination, and By golly, I'm rather miffed about it., (He said understatedly).
It may be interesting to fight this one through the courts, but I'm not sure where to start on it. Any ideas?
Even if it's a losing battle, at least we can raise hell.
By the way, we were planning on moving at the end of the month anyway because of the unfriendlyness of the campground management.
Let the flames begin!
Did KOA buy the campground you are in? I read about there going to be an auction but never heard the results.
Richard
Good morning Dallas. Well this is not good! Jeez, i just bought a KOA Value Kard on my trip last month. I think i will call them tomorrow morning and ask for a refund if that is to be a policy of KOA!
I guess till the end of the month, I'd make darn sure they see the difference in the way you currently are and the way it could be! Hell, if they're gonna ban you for no reason, then give them a reason!
Quote from: Dallas on March 18, 2007, 08:53:09 AM
He also informed us that we could not stay past April 1, 2007.
Hmmm. I know my bus isn't the most beautiful in the country, but, I didn't think it was that bad. I have no chimney sticking out a window, I don't dump on the ground and my area is cleaner than probably 80% of the spaces on the place.
I believe this is a case of discrimination, and By golly, I'm rather miffed about it., (He said understatedly).
It may be interesting to fight this one through the courts, but I'm not sure where to start on it. Any ideas?
Even if it's a losing battle, at least we can raise hell.
- Ask the campground for a written specific explanation for the action. If they refuse, obtain a copy of the new rules/agreement.
- With the written explanation in your posession, contact the KOA headquarters for their clarification whether that is truly the position of their organization. Get their response in writing.
- Once you have all of this, study it yourself as objectively as you can to determine if it worth pursueing. If you find that you can't be objective due to the personal offensiveness of it, get a friend that does not have a stake in the issue to study it with you.
- If you then decide it is worth the trouble, take the papers to a lawyer specializing in tenants rights
All that said, as much as I share your offense with this and agree it is discrimination, I don't feel that there is viable legal challenge here. However, if it is not truly a KOA policy, then bringing the written statement from the campground owner to the attention of KOA may bring some pressure on the campground. If it is a policy of the KOA then they may reconsider when challenged with level headed, logical counterpoints such as length comparisons, turning radius, etc.
Unfortunatley not much you are going to be able to do.
KOA is not a landlord but a business and they have the right to refuse service to whoever they want for whatever reason.
Something you might do is contact FMCA and Good sam etc who have Bus Members.
Quote from: tekebird on March 18, 2007, 09:38:30 AM
Unfortunatley not much you are going to be able to do.
KOA is not a landlord but a business and they have the right to refuse service to whoever they want for whatever reason.
Something you might do is contact FMCA and Good sam etc who have Bus Members.
Agreed, I doubt there is legal standing for a challenge in court, but if there is one, I believe it falls in tenants rights. Whether dealing with a rental apartment, motel or campsite, the foundation is a rental agreement for a place of lodging.
Personally, I would hate to see more law suits over what someone wants to do with their own property. Plus, I agree that there probably isn't much you could do.
THAT SAID, let's "GIVE'EM HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" If that ends up actually being their stance, let's just get our organizations involved that we all belong to -AND- I think large bumpers stickers letting the rest of the camping public know that these guys are douche bags! :D
If they end up having that opinion about us (or even something close) , well, they don't need my money.
Campers are a community of freinds and like minded people. I think letting others know could have an effect on them. (in their wallet!)
Just an opinion. (not worth .02)
Chaz
I strongly suspect that KOA will completely clear the campground of any/all tenants while they make any changes/improvements required to bring it up to KOA standards.
I believe Dallas stated earlier that not all campsites had utilities, and based on the age of the campground, many campsites will probably require upgrading to 50 amp service, sewer, water, telephone and any other changes that KOA may decide to make.
I know if I was doing that, I would want the tenants all gone for a couple of months. Once that work was completed, then tenants would be accepted based on the rules/regulations established by the owners.
Richard
P.S. And if they cleared the campground of ALL tenants, then they could not be accused of discrimination.
Just go find somewhere else to stay. I personally get tired of all the bright yellow they wear. Good Luck, TomC
Here is a link to an email feedback/complaint form for the KOA Customer Service Dept. (http://www.koa.com/feedback/index.asp?Feedback=5)
I thought Dallas and Cat moved from their previous campground, the one that was being sold? I believe the KOA is not the one being sold.
Brian Elfert
While we have no way of knowing whether this is an official KOA policy or some ad hoc local deal, it would be no big loss if it is in fact KOA policy, IMHO. I can only remember ever staying in 2 KOAs in 20+ years of travelling. One of them was no flying h*ll, the other was downright ugly. So ugly in fact that Marilyn wrote to KOA headquarters and eventually got a call from the pres of KOA saying that it had been punted out of their system, for whatever that is worth. I think I'd just as soon stay in a WallyMart parking lot as a KOA.
Yes,
We moved from the campground that is being sold.
We moved up the road 19 miles to a KOA so that Cat could keep her job.
Thanks to everyone, especially the ones who have more legal experience than I, (not difficult). I probably will not persue civil litigation, but I am tired of the discrimination campground owners put on bus owners.
I did a quick search through the SC statutes and came up with a few things that prohibit a landlord from discriminating, and since we are monthly renters, it is a landlord - tenant situation.
I am NOT, as I stated earlier, a litigious person. I have no faith in our legal system, since I've seen too many times what happens in small towns and communities when one side is locally powerful or otherwise established.
It doesn't matter whether the more powerful one is in the right or not.
Here is a piece of the SC statutes that pertains to this situation I believe:
http://www.scstatehouse.net/code/t45c009.htm
Thanks,
Dallas
I have always steered clear DOA (KOA) campgrounds. There expensive and too many rules & Regulations. I wouldn't piss in or on one.
I guess this means there is no use in me making reservations there when I come down for the auction :) You will have to find another option for me assuming I put together the financing. ;D
I don't think you have any grounds for legal action either, but I think any anti-bus regulations should be publicized in any way possible.
Dallas (and others) -
I just fired off a message to KOA Corporate HQ, requesting a clarification on this KOA University policy, if, in fact, it actually exists.
According to their website, they will respond within 48 business hours (which would be Tuesday afternoon).
Don't be hasty - gotta have the correct ammo to fight this type of thing.
It appears that Jim Rogers, the CEO of KOA, is also an avid RVer, according to some industry publications. Depending on their response to my email, the next step might be a professionally-worded letter written directly to him.
Let's see what happens. . .
;)
I have stayed at a number of KOAs with my 4104 and have never met with any resistance because I am a bus owner. No one has even raised an eyebrow, and the only comments I typically get are the "Hey, what year is that bus?"
Personally, I don't have preference for or against staying at KOAs. They are pretty middle-of-the-road, as far as I am concerned, and rarely make my list of the best or worst places we have stayed. Kinda like at eating at some restaurant chains.... you just sort of know what you are going to get.
I agree with the comment that you should look into this further and find out what the corporate policy truely is. Under most circumstances, if an independent campground were to deny you entrance, there is probably little recourse, in the courts or otherwise
One aspect that does make this interesting however is the fact that KOA has membership cards. Last year I dropped a few dollars and bought a card which entitles me to stay at KOAs for a discounted rate. If I were to show up at a KOA with my membership card in hand and was denied access for a reason that was not disclosed when I purchased the card, that could get interesting. Potential breech of contract grounds. At a minimum, it would enable me to make KOA state their declared policy, and side with either me or the campground owner.
Unless further information is uncovered, I am probably still going to periodically stay at a KOA, at least until I hit a problem. But keep us posted on what you find out.
I thought I would let you folks know exactly what was said to me today.
The owner told me that KOA had just changed their rules and now NO bus will be allowed in, no matter what condition or age. When I asked about the skoolie here, I was told that because of his length he can stay. I was then told that they will also no longer allow long time camping here. When I asked about the family that I know has been here for over 4 years, I was told that length of stay depends on the unit itself. The owner had already told us HE wants all old units out of here. When we checked in he stood and watched as the clerk processed my payment and THEN, told us we weren't supposed to be allowed in. I had made a point of telling them we had a bus when we called for reservations. This, supposedly, was before he went to KOA university. I asked about why Devin wasn't allowed in to visit with us and he told me that he had already broken the rules by allowing us in. Somehow, I feel that if someone was to pull in with a fancy unit there would be no hassle whatsoever. The owner claims he told the PTB that Dallas and I were "good people" but they said NO busses, no matter what or who. He also stated that KOA will probably end up buying this campground from him since they are apparently trying to buy lots of these places.
We have stayed at KOA before and it was in our older bus that was pulling a camper on a trailer and there was no comment of any kind made about us. Cat
It will be interesting to hear from KOA. Obviously, if we are banned, the vote with your wallet won't work. But the word of mouth, for good or bad, can have a much greater long term effect. It can be a slow bleed for sure if they want it. I am big on feedback; let's see what kind they get. :-\
I dont know if they are a american company or not but there web site shows 4 other countries flags. no american flag.
Pete & Jean
Fantasy
I don't usually stay at the KOA's but I for one will be more than happy to send off an email or two telling them that they will NEVER get my business "IF"
we find out that it is in fact a new corporate policy. I'm sure that there are other bus nuts that would do the same.
But I will wait for the response from the KOA office before doing so. I just want to make sure that you are not just being singled out, and that person is just too timid or afraid to tell you the real reason and is using KOA as the scapegoat.
Let us know what the KOA has to say about it when you find out.
JimCallaghan 4106
Wisconsin
Quote from: pete81eaglefanasty on March 18, 2007, 07:22:59 PM
I dont know if they are a american company or not but there web site shows 4 other countries flags. no american flag.
Pete & Jean
Fantasy
I love that observation. The web design job was probably outsourced to another country. ;)
Actually, in this case, it is a link to a page for international website visitors to use for selecting another language. I do think it would have been better had they also included an American flag since one of the language options on that page is English.
I'm surprised that KOA will allow long-term camping. Most "modern" or "corporate" (for lack of better term?) campgrounds have strict one or two week camping limits.
Most have so many rules that anyone could be ordered out at any time.
Mecklenburg County limits the term here.
The little "Mom and Pop" campgrounds are where you want to locate for long term, "no rules" living.
I've stayed in various KOA campgrounds and never had a problem with them...they were all sort of worn out. Never been in a really nice KOA. I'm sure that they exist...just haven't been in one. Nicest campground I've been in is at DisneyWorld in Florida.
Cat, have you looked around for an individual that may have a mobile home lot, or location that you could run some water and power up? Networking at work...maybe thru the in-house bulletin board may turn up something.
You could also buy a mobile home or small home, and park the bus behind the home, power and plumb everything up in the bus, and rent the home. You could live really inexpensively.
I'd scour the small campgrounds for accomodations.
Is the bus running good? I didn't realize that ya'll had moved.
Good Luck! JR
KOA does have a rule of no long time campers but does allow camping on a month to month basis and there are campers that have been here for over 4 years, and two that I have talked with that have been here for 1 1/2 years each.
We were offered places to stay by 2 different co-workers but Florence County will only allow it if DEHC inspects the bus and it has mobile home type connections (permanent, not hook up) and it requires a special permit. There is another campground we can move to and I'm sure there are a few other small ones around.
I think, with us, it is the principle of the situation. The skoolie can stay because it is short but we have to leave because NO bus is allowed. I know I'm not a genius but.......I always thought a skoolie was a bus. Cat
Sounds like there's a bit of the "good ol' boy" thing going on there. If the manager wanted you to be there, there wouldn't be a probem. If it really is a corporate decision, then the school bus would be gone as well. As for the size, your bus is 35' right? Same as the schoolie? So if the schoolie can stay because of the size, why can't you?
Ross
Some of this just seems odd. In that the skoolie of 35 foot would be preferred over the motorhome of 40 or 45 foot? How is it a length issue then? what about a fifth wheel of 45+ feet?
Grrr.
Phil
Maybe they just don't like you...
I agree with Ross and Phil, we are missing something here. You would think that a schoolie (I'm thinking stereotypical schoolie) would be out first over a bus conversion. Post some photos of the schoolie so we can see what it looks like. I might be confused, are they basing the decision on looks or length?
Just had a kind of off the wall idea. Could it be that this campground owner got wind of the bus conversion community's discussions about buying the other property? If so, maybe he is personally picking on bus conversions because he thinks a bunch of busnuts will be his competition in the near future.
Any reason you could not stay at the campground that you are bidding on? I do not recall Dallas saying anything about it being closed.
Richard
Quote from: oldmansax on March 18, 2007, 02:34:34 PM
I guess this means there is no use in me making reservations there when I come down for the auction :) You will have to find another option for me assuming I put together the financing. ;D
I don't think you have any grounds for legal action either, but I think any anti-bus regulations should be publicized in any way possible.
I stayed at a KOA(Ft. Collins, CO) for 6 months(Jun. to Dec.) and am staying at one now (Pueblo, CO KOA) month to month and have had no problems, and no mention of them not taking busses. Sounds like a decision by the owner to me. They do have a right to pick and choose who stays on their property.
I stayed at the Twin Falls, Idaho KOA last Memorial Day weekend, for a BASE jumping expedition to the Perinne Bridge.
When I pulled up to registration, the owner asked if my 39' Thomas diesel pusher skoolie was a converted city or school bus, then pointed me toward my parking spot.
I also purchased a KOA card during my stay, and would be mighty pissed if I were turned away from a KOA...anywhere.
Jay
87 Thomas SaftLiner
The skoolie is short, maybe 24 feet, it is bright red and kinda cute. The manager said he went to a KOA university and no bus of any kind is allowed in any KOA, anywhere, under any circumstance. Funny thing though, I got on the phone this AM and called 2 different KOA's and they both told me there is no rule, new or old, that ban's busses from their campgrounds. In fact, they both offered to let us book space to hold a bus rally. One even said they would give us the rec room key to use the entire time we were there and there would be no charge for it.
Richard, we couldn't stay at the other campground because they shut the power and water off and we really didn't think we wanted to be there for 6 weeks or so without those necessities.
H3Jim, how could he not like us????!!!!! Actually, he told us we weren't welcome, immediately after watching the clerk process our payment. He made a point of not telling us BEFORE we paid. He never got a chance to know us. He claims he told KOA we were good people and they said it didn't matter, we had to move. Wonder what he will say when he finds out he is the only KOA that is turning busses away.. HMMMM, how could anyone not like us??? LOL
First of all, I'm on your side. Sounds like you're just dealing with some jerk who isn't the brightest bulb in the string. Seems like he has a burr in the saddle, for whatever reason,and is only capable of shooting from the hip. Not our kind of cowboy! I'm betting your enemy here is the park owner and not KOA.
Sorry BubbaGal, I was tryng to be funny. I can't imagine why not either, and I'd like to meet you and Dallas some day. It obvious that Hi Yo Silver is correct - they have a burr in their saddle and it probably has little or nothing to do with you - its just their history.
Some folks in this world are just like that. And it still hurts my feelings too when it happens to me as well. I guess all you can do is deal with it, go on, and enjoy all the friends and good people you do have.
And what a jerk telling you that AFTER you paid!
Strange. The KOA site advertises that location as being able to handle up to 90' combinations without unhooking at some of their sites.
H3Jim, don't apologize. I took it as a joke and no offense was taken. I keep forgetting that when you put in lots of ? marks it turns into a mad/frowning face. Cat
Dallas just told me of a suggestion that was made in the chatroom last night. How about if you busnuts all email the Florence KOA and ask him why he doesn't like busses. In your letter you could tell him if you have camped or are camping in a KOA with no problem. I personally called 2 different KOA's yesterday and was told there is no rule, new or old, that bans busses. The first one got the managers approval, not just the clerks. Both sites agreed to allow a bus rally to be held at their location. At one I even asked about my getting a KOA Value card and was told that even as a bus owner I could buy one. The email address is florencesckoa@aol.com. If you do this, please let us know what the response is, if any. Cat
We plan to be in the Florence area in mid May for a few days before going to Myrtle Beach for a large bus conversion rally at the North Myrtle Beach Travel Park. I read on a bus conversion bulletin board that you do not allow bus conversions or motorhomes over 35'. Is this Correct? Our Coach is a 40' 2003 conversion. Jack Conrad
Good idea. Above is what I sent to the campground. Although our coach is a 73, the CONVERSION was completed in 2003, so therefore it is a 2003 conversion. Jack
I did one better than that. I called them! Talked to a nice young girl named Tanya. Told her I would be in the Florence area in Mid May and wanted some info about the KOA there in Florence. She said they had grass sites and some concrete pads with full hookups. Free internet blah blah blah. I went on to tell her I had a 40 foot coach. I also lied and said it was a 1992 Prevost bus conversion valued at around $240K (I said I lied) She said no problem that they could handle it and she has seen busses like it there in the past. I told her I was calling ahead out of concern because friends of mine were told that would be turned away because bus conversions were not allowed in the park regardless of the size. She immediately advised me to call back in 10-15 minutes and talk to a lady mgr. named Chris!
Ok here goes!
Be back soon!
Ace
Ok just called back and got Tanya. Told her it was me returning the call to Chris and she said hold on. A VERY nice lady (Chris) got on the phone and I proceeded to explain that we would be in the area (I used Jack's Dates of Mid May) and she said that they have the Darlington race that month and I would need exact dates to see if I could get in the main park or the overflow. Good to know if I wanted to go to the raqce that would have a place to stay! Anyway I went on to tell her about my RV and she said that it would definitely not be a problem even though it was a bus. I explained my call was out of concern because friends of mine were told they could not stay because it was a bus conversion. She said and I quote, you have to understand that some bus conversions are very OLD! Some have come in here and had to be towed out. If your telling me that your bus is in nice condition and it is when you arrive, there will not be a problem. There are some that are just an eyesore and really could use some help! I said I understand and just wanted to check ahead before coming asll that way to be forced to look for another place to stay when I got there! She said no problem and when I come just tell them that Chris said it was ok for us to check in!
So... I see no problem!
Case closed in my book!
Ace
Well, I would guess that with my fading, peeling roof paint my bus would not be welcome there. >:(:'( I don't like sardine camping anyway, so no loss for me. 8)
Yep, it is kind of like apartment complexes that limit tenants to two cars. If someone ends up with 3-4 cars but they are all shiny new ones, no problem. But if one happens to be an oxidzed old pickup, watch out, here comes the warning letter. Society is indeed vane and most people judge a book by its cover.
Gee, Thanks, Ace.
What you have proven is that if you have a nice looking coach or a Marathon, fairly new, and pleasing to the eye, you are welcome anywhere.
Good for you.
Dallas
Dallas, didn't make the calls to downgrade you or your coach. Merely wanted to see what game if any this KOA was trying to play. Sounds to me like they are descriminating your coach due to it's age rather than it's size.
Ace
Dallas,
Here is the reply and my email to the KOA at Florence. It sounds like they are discriminating against you.
We would be happy to have you stay with us a few days. However, we are completely full May 10-13 for the NASCAR race in Darlington. If your planned date is not during that time, please either call the office or go on line to reserve.
Thank you!
Jean
-----Original Message-----
From: jconrad9168@earthlink.net
To: florencesckoa@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: Making reservations at your campground
We plan to be in the Florence area in mid May for a few days before going to Myrtle Beach for a large bus conversion rally at the North Myrtle Beach Travel Park. I read on a bus conversion bulletin board that you do not allow bus conversions or motorhomes over 35'. Is this Correct? Our Coach is a 40' 2003 conversion. Jack Conrad
Quote from: JackConrad on March 20, 2007, 10:08:03 AM
Dallas,
Here is the reply and my email to the KOA at Florence. It sounds like they are discriminating against you.
We would be happy to have you stay with us a few days. However, we are completely full May 10-13 for the NASCAR race in Darlington. If your planned date is not during that time, please either call the office or go on line to reserve.
Thank you!
Jean
-----Original Message-----
From: jconrad9168@earthlink.net
To: florencesckoa@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 8:02 AM
Subject: Making reservations at your campground
We plan to be in the Florence area in mid May for a few days before going to Myrtle Beach for a large bus conversion rally at the North Myrtle Beach Travel Park. I read on a bus conversion bulletin board that you do not allow bus conversions or motorhomes over 35'. Is this Correct? Our Coach is a 40' 2003 conversion. Jack Conrad
Wow......
Hay Dallas, Time to get out the big guns...Huh!
Great Job Jack!
Nick-
To me, this is a case of why stay someplace that you are not wanted. You can probably present a bunch of evidence and convince them to let you stay, but the owners are going to be miserable to you as long as you stay there. Constant little annoyances like not getting you mail promptly or your garbage missing the pickup, even a tripped circuit breaker when you come home to a hot bus and a warm fridge.
I stayed in a lot of KOAs for one or two nights or for up to six months. I found them all pretty much middle of the road. I never hit a bad one, but I also never hit an outstanding one. I did hit several that were vastly overpriced, but I can only think of one that I wouldn't return to because of the attitude of the management. In one, I had a problem with the son of the owner, but when I spoke to the father, the problem went away very quickly.
Hey, Well I just couldn't resist.
I wonder at the mentality of some of the campground managers or owners. A while back I heard that if your motorhome/bus conversion was fairly decent looking that most places would let you in. However one manager I ran into said that at the first sign of an air conditioner hanging out of a side window of buses, motorhomes or travel trailers the was to ask them to leave and not come back. They also had a thing about paint quality and cleanliness. No scrunge on the sides or roofline, a/c covers had to be like new and if there was even a hint that a mechanical problem existed the owner would be ejected by whatever means necessary.
If these campground operators ever attended a real bus rally I am sure that they would change their rigid and sometimes outragious opinions about the buses and their owners. We have buses because we want to, Not because we are despondent, broke or mentally unstable (usually)...
Many of us could probably have bought many nice looking Sticks-N-Staples that would be agreeable to them. But to slam someone arbitralily because they have an older bus conversion. Just speaks volumes about the mentality of some of these campground operators.
Kind of like a low life scum bucket driving down your street and calling code enforcement on you just because they CAN
do it without giving their names. Don't ask !!!!! I guess they figure that if they don't like what you drive they can have the code people harrass you until you either die or move !!!!!
Dallas
I am new on this board, My wife is confined to a wheelchair and I recently purchased a suttle type bus w/lift and have been working on it to get us on the road. The information I have gotten from here has been great.
I ran across this add in Fairfax SC and thought I should send it to you. Not sure how far it may be in miles and not sure of your building background.
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>>We have buses because we want to, Not because we are despondent, broke or mentally unstable (usually)...<<
Ummmmmm, DrDave...is two out of three good? ::) I'm not despondent! :)
Anyway, Cat, have you considered painting your bus a nice "skoolie" red?
Maybe that will solve the problem. Skoolies are usually the first to be triaged out of a campground.
You stated that some folk had a place to park the bus, but the site would require county certification....If any of those private places are out of sight, go for it and sneak in...without certification.
The worse that would happen is a "cease and desist" order. And that would come from neighbors. If private enough, you could stay for years. No complaints...no problem. Just don't "build" anything that looks permanent (underpinning, parking on cinder blocks, pool). The only issue that will trigger an inspection is buying your own power meter. Try to get into an existing building power....ya'll could likely live on 30 good amps?? Maybe not.
People would assume that the land owner bought himself a bus.
I'll bet you'd find out that the guy living in the skoolie at the KOA is friends (or family) of the owners. That gives them privileges.
Good luck with your travels! JR
BTW, this ain't legal advice...it's just a suggestion as to how I'd handle the situation should it come up.
If anyone goes to jail, feel free to call my E&O guy. I'll mail the number... ;)
Thanks Wcox,
We may look into it.
I like the Walterboro area.
Dr. Dave, We also have had our fun with code enforcement, Dhec (health department), and others.
I just love nosey people. I've proven uncountable times that I carry X amount of fresh water, and it flows into grey and black tanks, not onto the ground. I've also proven that the bus runs extremely well, and starts and drives anytime I wish it to. We probably have more money into the engine alone than many people have in their whole vehicle.
At one time I had a pretty new Winnebago Chief. After 50,000 miles it wallowed in the wind so bad I was afraid to drive it any more. The entire roof structure had come loose from the stud walls. And that makes it better than a bus?
JR, you said that lawyers phone number was BR549??? Dallas did paint the bus, the black part around the windows is now bright red and was freshly painted before we got here. The bus looked pretty nice in my opinion. I know the aluminum isn't shiny but we still look pretty good. He has been painting some more on the bay doors. We even took the chimneys out of the windows and the rocking chair off the roof before coming here. Actually, we only have the AC that is on the back of the roof and a few things neatly placed inn our roof rack. Cat
Not sure what happend with the link. I tried it after posting and it worked for Fairfax SC. A house 3 bed, 2 bath, that had a fire in it on sale for 22,000, not sure of condition or prices there, but may be worth something...wayne
Quote from: wcox on March 20, 2007, 07:44:29 PM
Not sure what happend with the link. I tried it after posting and it worked for Fairfax SC. A house 3 bed, 2 bath, that had a fire in it on sale for 22,000, not sure of condition or prices there, but may be worth something..www.unitedcountry.com..listing 39033-06300...wayne
LOST??????
Now that's OFF TOPIC....or is it?
Mebee I missed something?????
:o :o
My guess is that once the cg staff get to know Dallas & Cat as we know them, the problem will go away.
It is the horror stories of bad tennants that scare the mis-informed.
BTW, my brother owns rental property. The fact is that it is cheaper & easier to keep a potential problem out. Once it is in, the expense of removing the problem rises exponentially.
Come on guys, it should still be a free country! Let others know you, even if they would rather not.
RE: 'We have buses because we want to, Not because we are despondent, broke or mentally unstable '
I wanted my bus as a result of mental instability ;D
I'm despondent as a result of having a bus ::)
Quote from: kyle4501 on March 21, 2007, 05:31:08 AM
RE: 'We have buses because we want to, Not because we are despondent, broke or mentally unstable '
I wanted my bus as a result of mental instability ;D
I'm despondent as a result of having a bus ::)
I'm broke as a result of having a bus. :'(
But having the bus actually helps me not to be despondent or mentally unstable. ;) Seriously, these things are therapy. When I get stressed or depressed, I just go work on the bus some more and I get over it.
A little clarification - I'm despondent as a result of having a bus - BECAUSE I CAN'T WORK/PLAY ON IT MORE ;D
I'm happiest when I'm working/playing on the bus (even if the wife is fussing ;) )
we contacted KOA and the reply we got was,KOA did not have an opinion,they said each KOA park is privately owned and it is up to the owner to accept or refuse a bus conversion. most of the conversions i know about should not be turned away
Bernie
I suppose that my comment about being despondent, broke or mentally unstable might have been a bit bland...
Buses have made me absolutely "CCCCRRRRAAAAAZZZZYYYY", Sure beats going "Postal"....
Get depressed?.... Work on a bus, It will go away....Note: The bus won't ever go away... It's an illness with no cure....
I suppose death cures a lot of things in once sense. The worry there is that a person starts working on a bus conversion
and everyone around them also contracts the affliction. It's infectious....
The ONLY depressing thing about owning one is trying to find a place to park it that people will leave you alone.
:o