When I was about 25 travelling Montana in my truck, I came over the hill and in the road was a little Muley buck. Three broken legs and broken ribs sticking out. I had no firearm and watched a sad death. Never travelled again without tossing a pistol in the glovebox. Travelling in the RVs we've had and now the bus, I still toss in my Glock. Never gave it a thought until recently. A friend with fiberglass coach started last year full time with spouse going everywhere. He purchased the 2021 rules on firearms for each state. After he read the handgun rules for different states, i.e. "ammo must be stored separately, handgun can be in coach area because it is the home but must be out of reach of driver area. and bla, bla, bal.". And don't travel through NY / NJ with a handgun without a permit??
He gave up on handgun. Now just carries a shotgun. Part of that decision is that a shotgun can even go into Canada. I used my Glock for 8 years with a police department but I better not take it to New Jersey? Really? Well then how about a police escort as I travel through your sorry state on my way to Maine!
My father in law recently gave me his really cool bottom ejection short barrel Mossberg. I think I'll just do that and quit worrying.
As you respond with your solution, remember to say "A guy that looks a lot like me in a bus like mine....does this".
Because we travel through Canada between Florida & Alaska we only carry long guns - preferably shotguns. Simple permit, small fee, easy peasy.
Saw a true show on cable about a couple who had just retired. They set out on their dream trip with their camper. The very first day they were eating lunch and were kidnapped by three scumbags. They both were murdered. Another show was about a retired couple living on a boat. They were selling it to move back to land and be close to their new grand baby. On a test drive for a prospective buyer, they were murdered. As a school teacher, I have learned of some local stories that I would have never thought would happen around here. Sadly evil is everywhere. How is it said, better to be judged by 8 than carried by 6?
Wow! Better move to low crime area or stay under the covers. Unfortunately with 340 or so million population bad things happen every day and the media is happy to exploit every incident to increase viewers. Some of these trials going on or the travails of the royal family get press coverage every day. All the news anymore is like the National Inquirer.
It is really sad what is happening all across our country now,today is not the same as it was when I was growing up,the 60's where a little rough.I don't mind telling I carry now when traveling,I have a 9MM Glock by the seat ,a 9MM S&W in the bedroom and a AR-15 no shot gun yet.I do pay close attention to the areas I drive in more now than before
We carry 3 wasp spray cans: 1 up front, 1 in the kitchen, and 1 in the bedroom. A bad guy would be sorry he broke in, lol.
Bear spray is much more effective with less than lethal results. We too have that stuff everywhere.
20 foot wasp spray everywhere because wife is allergic to bees anyway. :^
My thinking is quick open handgun safe in the bedroom at the back of the bus behand a door so it's not readily visible with frangible ammo in it.
Even if you get pulled over I would think you would have to highly piss off the officer if you show something responsible like that.
I also like the bear spray idea!!!
This was worth asking for the answers you gave me! Wasp spray is handy. We carried pepper spray when fishing in Alaska. And the only places for the shotgun in the bus are not easy access. We have a big dog and stay pretty aware but I am not hitting the road with nothing. I'm not paranoid but not ignorant to a changing America that wants to defund the police. There are consequences. And though I have 25 years in the Marine Corps, I know I am 65 and not superman. If someone grabs my wife's hair to steal her purse coming out of the Pilot Truck stop, I want more than nail clippers when I step out of the bus. Didn't mean for this to get political. Just trying to be smart about it. My years on the PD taught me that people rarely have a chance to get to their defense mechanism when bad things are happening. But better to have something.
This all started with the fact I could not shoot a deer....
Living close to CA because of the gun laws in CA we keep a Taser gun in the car.I had to use the Taser once on bad @$# dog lol
wasp spray as well
as in Canada thats about all you can use
but I do carry a machete for the "zombe apocalypse"
dave
I keep a flare gun in the bus.
Interesting long-term study done in New England regarding perception of danger and violent crime, which started in the 70s looking at the degree to which parents allowed their kids to be free-range and play outside unsupervised.
Back in the 70s, in the community being studied, the actual danger and violent crime rate was actually higher than in recent years. However, the kids back then were allowed a much higher degree of autonomy and freedom by their parents. In recent years, as those kids became parents and had kids of their own they allowed their kids a much smaller amount of freedom in spite of the danger actually being considerably lower.
The study found that perception of danger has increased in recent years, even as actual danger dropped. Much of this was blamed on the constant nationwide news being blasted at all of us 24/7. Decades ago it was rare to hear about problems outside your own community. Nowadays, we all watch all these cases being dragged across the news, and the result is that everyone feels more at risk and as if all those cases are near to them.
Yes, there has been an increase in crime and violence in the past couple of years. But no, it's still nowhere near the levels it was decades ago.
When I was a kid and we'd go into NYC for dinner, my parents would never take us to Times Square. We weren't allowed to go in many of the popular tourist areas due to the real danger of getting mugged or accosted on the street. The subway was off limits due to the high levels of crime there.
Now? Times Square has become like a Disney attraction. The grime and raw crime is gone. What was once a very dangerous city is safer and it's possible to ride the subway without fear for your life.
I'm not saying that there aren't dangers out there or people wanting to do us harm. But, let's not buy into the horror stories being propagated on the nightly news to get ratings or blasted across social media as click bait.
All that said, the most lethal thing I carry in the bus is a tire thumper and a hatchet. There was a time I wouldn't have left home without something more serious, but after taking a concealed carry class taught by a Miami-Dade officer years ago and learning how the odds are stacked against a person trying to defend himself with a handgun I decided my best defense was not being in situations where I'd need to defend myself. I do my best to leave myself a safe escape and try and not put myself in danger. If the place where I'm camping seems like it might be a place a weapon was necessary for safety, I'm going to keep on rolling to somewhere safer.
We carry wasp and bear spray for Wasp's and bears, for everything else we carry A few Howitzers ;) Because anyone who has ever been in a gun fight will attest that throwing empty cans at those that wish to do harm does not win the day.
Stay armed my friends
That is our little Bus Mafia leader!!! Don't worry Van. Years in the military and police officer, I won't be spraying things or throwing gummy bears. It is just interesting to hear ideas. I did not like it last year when I was parked at the relatives house in New Jersey and found out my Glock in the overhead was a no no. 25 years service and 8 a years police officer - formally trained on the use of force, and I was.....a violator? It just jacked me up. Can't change it. I'll just take the Mossberg and quit whining.
There isn't one single gun law I care about...
When all of my friends started talking about conceal carry, I knew we were in trouble.
I'm not asking for permission...
Richard did a good write up ,only problem with it is there is more to the US than just New England.I wonder if you can still buy a Rolex watch in Times Square for 5 bucks like you could :in the 70's :^
Quote from: luvrbus on December 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM
Richard did a good write up ,only problem with it is there is more to the US than just New England.I wonder if you can still buy a Rolex watch in Times Square for 5 bucks like you could :in the 70's :^
I was summarizing. The study did go beyond one area of the country.
Reality and perception are not always the same. Just because the news shows something happening 100s of times doesn't mean it is. Nothing new - they've been using things like this to get eyes on their broadcast since TV started. Gets worse every year during the two sweeps weeks/months.
And I'd guess yes - you can still buy that watch you've always wanted from numerous places. Not just limited to Times Square any more.
Quote from: luvrbus on December 21, 2021, 06:40:43 PM
I wonder if you can still buy a Rolex watch in Times Square for 5 bucks like you could :in the 70's :^
South Street Seaport, anything you want, discount to the bus driver for introducing the vendor to the passengers, and providing cover from the authorities.
That $10 Swiss watch knock-off worked great for 3 years!
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: richard5933 on December 21, 2021, 02:05:02 PM
However, the kids back then were allowed a much higher degree of autonomy and freedom by their parents. In recent years, as those kids became parents and had kids of their own they allowed their kids a much smaller amount of freedom in spite of the danger actually being considerably lower.
In looking back, I can't believe how free-range I was as a kid, verses how much kids are locked down and tracked today!!! Ok was not an angel LOL!!!
Quote from: freds on December 21, 2021, 09:48:21 PM
In looking back, I can't believe how free-range I was as a kid, verses how much kids are locked down and tracked today!!! Ok was not an angel LOL!!!
The increase in media coverage of incidents occurring in obscure places is a dual edge sword. Yes, it does seem like the country is going to explode any day with all these events being viral and out of proportion. But it has also surfaced incidents occurring in obscure places such as sexual predators and child abduction.
I'm certain my mom would not let me ride my bike for hours, just be home for dinner, after seeing the scary and really horrific things being done to kids. I am certain it is a new trend but was just kept under the covers and very local in days past.
Quote from: windtrader on December 21, 2021, 11:17:08 PM
The increase in media coverage of incidents occurring in obscure places is a dual edge sword. Yes, it does seem like the country is going to explode any day with all these events being viral and out of proportion. But it has also surfaced incidents occurring in obscure places such as sexual predators and child abduction.
I'm certain my mom would not let me ride my bike for hours, just be home for dinner, after seeing the scary and really horrific things being done to kids. I am certain it is a new trend but was just kept under the covers and very local in days past.
Your concerns are specifically what the study was looking at. The reality is that back when we were kids the exact same things were happening, but rarely reported and even more rarely were people caught and prosecuted. Incidents happened all the time, few reported or spoke about it, and kids were actually at higher levels of danger.
Things like this weren't spoken about in polite society, excuses were made, and nothing was done to stop it. And, incidents from one part of the state or country weren't all over the news across the nation creating the feeling that we're all in constant danger.
My guess is this...
If a study was done comparing people who watch lots of news online or on TV vs. those who only read/watch rarely it would find that the both groups of people have the same rate of being a victim of crime, but the group that is more into the news would perceive that they are at a much greater danger than the group who occupies their time with other things.
Reality and perception are two different things.
We have a big problem with crime just look around you don't have to see it on the news.We have nuts in DC that want no bail and 1 saying to stop crime stop building jails,people do not respect each other now is a big problem.You respected your mom and dad now you see 6 years in WM calling their mom a bitch because he or she didn't get the toy they wanted.Now you busted their @$# for that some bleeding heart would call a agency on you then all hell would break loose for a parent.I never was into studies because most are million dollar grants from the government to write what they want you to know .Richard I don't need a Rolex I have a real one seldom do I wear it because I don't want some thug mugging me over a watch or ring. You protect yourself and family with what ever method one chooses IMO .My mind changed about carrying when we were in Killeen Texas when a sicko shot the people in Luby's enjoying a meal with family and friends.The jury is out with me if I could really shoot another person or not though,I cannot even put a sick or old dog down I always end up paying a vet 200 bucks
It is a different time. In 9th grade, Ft Collins Colorado. Three of my friends and I would walk to school with our pump shotguns. We took the barrels off so they would fit in our locker. One time one teacher asked what we were doing with those guns. We told him after school we walk 2 miles and hunt geese in Farmer Wilson's corn field. He said "ok". It did not cross our MINDS to shoot anybody!
And there were no "time outs". I'd get time out SIDE to look for a stick I thought might not hurt....
A different time
Unfortunately other studies have found that when someone holds a false belief, showing them data which contradicts that belief only strengthens that false belief oftentimes. Violent crime has been on the decline for decades, but that doesn't make for good news stories (on either side of the aisle) and I think a subset of the population thinks it's perversely appealing picturing a 'Mad Max' style future coming our way because they expect they'll be on top in the anarchy (or because they just like to glorify their own generation / prior time period).
That said, personally I prefer a nonlethal defense as a first option - not just out of caution and humanity, but because it removes that additional split-second of indecision where you have to decide to take someone's life in the heat of the moment. It's a lot easier to consider pepper spraying someone on a false alarm / misunderstanding than shooting them.
Not directly related, but a good memory. Driving a bus with a group of high ranking politicians in the '70s from Jasper to Banff. Couple hundred miles. Two marked police cars, one in front, one in back. Plus a couple of black pain ones. Brake neck speed, for a bus. Driving through red lights, traffic parting in front of us. Lots of fire power on the bus too, judging by the two burly guys with the sun glasses. I don't think they were politicians.
Driving bus was fun.
Nothing better than the sound of- clank, clank- of cocking a shotgun to get someone's attention.
2021 more police were shot and killed in the history of the United States,city burning, grab robberies some one define violent crime from a study please
I do hope you guys realize that if you use pepper spray in an enclosed space you just pepper sprayed yourself.
I've always considered a good deterrent and a willingness to retreat to be the best defenses. A sturdy and visible sheath knife on your belt will go a long ways in keeping bad intent at bay. I'm not saying carry a Bowie knife around all the time but oddly enough that's one of the personal defense weapons that it is legal to carry many places you wouldn't think it would be.
Jim
Hell with a Bowie knife, I'll carry my heritage's weapon of choice - a one-meter samurai sword. lol
I hear "Perception IS reality".
I also heard unless you are unwavering in your ability to squeeze the trigger, never point a gun at someone.
Personally, I don't trust myself to make the correct decision in a split second, I have no training or experience and would not want to know I killed someone when a less-lethal option could have diffused the situation.
I'm fine with dealing with using a banned substance on another human rather than defending a homicide charge, even if in the right.
Most of these "studies" are done to reinforce the writers opinion, or the employer of the writer.
Not sure there are many places that they'll let you just walk around with a Samurai sword on your belt. Or any sword for that matter. Or even a sheath knife over a certain length. But for reasons having to do with national heritage mostly I think, there seems to be a widespread exception for the Bowie. Maybe because Dan'l Boone was in the legislature, I don't know. But, as it's there you can make use of it if you want. Also makes a sorta handy axe, hammer, chisel or screwdriver if the need arises. And let's face it, only a VERY screwed up perp is going up against someone who carries that.
My life has been very peaceful. I've only been shot at a few times and rarely threatened with knives. I think that's mostly because of small actions to appear kinda intimidating even at rest. Doesn't seem to take much, a big part seems to be attitude.
Jim
I thought the legal length of knife was 3 inches if you were carrying one,you would be in deep stuff with short arms
What are you talking about? You can open carry a pistol on your belt but can't strap a sword to your belt?
Knife laws vary from state to state, just like about everything else.
They don't all make sense, and they don't all have much clarity regarding what is legal and what is not.
Here in Wisconsin, one section of law states that anyone who could legally get a concealed carry permit can conceal carry any knife without a permit. Anyone who couldn't get a permit is not allow to conceal carry a knife which would be considered a dangerous weapon. Another section of law states that a knife can not be considered a dangerous weapon. Wonder which statue overrides the other?
Quote from: luvrbus on December 22, 2021, 03:53:34 AM
We have a big problem with crime ...
We think we have a big problem with crime.
If I had a Tank Id open carry that sucker, hell I'd tow the bus with it. Try imposing that 10 year rule at the camp grounds then lol!
Quote from: richard5933 on December 22, 2021, 02:18:36 PM
We think we have a big problem with crime.
We do have a crime rate being from Texas I see what is going there in Austin but it is about the only liberal city in Texas better find you a more up to date study
Quote from: luvrbus on December 22, 2021, 03:17:49 PM
We do have a crime rate being from Texas I see what is going there in Austin but it is about the only liberal city in Texas better find you a more up to date study
Are you comparing the raw number of crimes or the per capita rate?
I've just looked at a number of reports coming directly from Texas, and Austin is nowhere near the top of the list for dangerous cities in Texas.
Lots of other (much more right-leaning) cities in Texas with much higher crime rates than Austin.
Quote from: luvrbus on December 22, 2021, 03:17:49 PM
We do have a crime rate being from Texas I see what is going there in Austin but it is about the only liberal city in Texas better find you a more up to date study
But it's mostly peaceful crime Cliff 😊
What about flash bangs?
One of the things I like about the motorhome is that if something changes to cause me to feel it is no longer safe, I don't have to step outside the coach before leaving (it is better if not plugged in . . . . .) (Sometimes, things look very different in the morning light)
I generally prefer to BE over prepared rather than wish I was prepared.
My personal choice is to avoid conflicts - friends come & go, but enemies tend to accumulate.
My opinion is that non-lethal options should be pursued first and my gun should remain concealed until lethal force is required -- once that point is reached, there is no turning back.
If you feel threatened enough to pull a gun - you better be planning on the perp feeling/ hearing it before they see it. Once they see it, you have lost significant advantage.
About those "studies" - they are often published to promote the goals & purposes of those who funded them.
It is very difficult if not impossible to have a truly unbiased study on anything !
Quote from: kyle4501 on December 22, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
One of the things I like about the motorhome is that if something changes to cause me to feel it is no longer safe, I don't have to step outside the coach before leaving (it is better if not plugged in . . . . .) (Sometimes, things look very different in the morning light)
I generally prefer to BE over prepared rather than wish I was prepared.
My personal choice is to avoid conflicts - friends come & go, but enemies tend to accumulate.
My opinion is that non-lethal options should be pursued first and my gun should remain concealed until lethal force is required -- once that point is reached, there is no turning back.
If you feel threatened enough to pull a gun - you better be planning on the perp feeling/ hearing it before they see it. Once they see it, you have lost significant advantage.
About those "studies" - they are often published to promote the goals & purposes of those who funded them.
It is very difficult if not impossible to have a truly unbiased study on anything !
Quote from: kyle4501 on December 22, 2021, 05:24:33 PM
One of the things I like about the motorhome is that if something changes to cause me to feel it is no longer safe, I don't have to step outside the coach before leaving (it is better if not plugged in . . . . .) (Sometimes, things look very different in the morning light)
I generally prefer to BE over prepared rather than wish I was prepared.
My personal choice is to avoid conflicts - friends come & go, but enemies tend to accumulate.
My opinion is that non-lethal options should be pursued first and my gun should remain concealed until lethal force is required -- once that point is reached, there is no turning back.
If you feel threatened enough to pull a gun - you better be planning on the perp feeling/ hearing it before they see it. Once they see it, you have lost significant advantage.
About those "studies" - they are often published to promote the goals & purposes of those who funded them.
It is very difficult if not impossible to have a truly unbiased study on anything !
Quote from: richard5933 on December 22, 2021, 03:39:40 PM
In CWC class they teach the 21 ft rule if the thug threatens you in 21 ft take action because the average person can do 21 ft in 1.5 seconds,I don't agree with taking a body shot every time though
Bottom line is you have the right to defend yourself at least in America. I don't worry alot about all the different state laws because 99+% of the time law enforcement isn't going to be there to bail your @$# out when someone wants to do great bodily harm to you and yours. A body cam or cell phone recording of the incident would help justify your actions in a court of law. Enjoy life, feel secure and don't get caught with your pants and/or panties down.
Just make sure you have a good lawyer when the "progressive" Local DA charges you for violating some thug or thugs civil rights or lives.
I would rather deal with a progessive DA then be dead right?
You would think so.
We had a home invasion about 10 years ,a guy from Orgeon was convicted 3 times before he walked after 6 months in jail on a plea.Reading the local paper he was busted again about a month ago he will end killing some family before they do anything about it
Looking at the numbers from 2020, it looks like the increase in murder rates doesn't follow any pattern as far as red/blue states.
Some of the largest increases were in KY, SD, and MT, hardly places where you'll find too many of what you're calling progressive DAs. The states with the biggest drops were in found in New England as well as some very red states, indicating again that it's not a factor just of political leanings.
Crime is increasing everywhere some states just do a better job,you are not going to find any accurate information on Google they are to self serving ,St Louis and Chicago are the murder capitols of the US along with more Eastern states even CA and Texas and have increased. Population plays a big part 1 murder in a state with 700,000 people will leap frog a state with 10,000 million people what is the population of MT and SD maybe 2 million total for both states.For me it is all about protecting my wife and I carry enough fire power to do that I hope and pray
Quote from: luvrbus on December 23, 2021, 07:05:12 AM
Crime is increasing everywhere some states just do a better job,you are not going to find any accurate information on Google,St Louis and Chicago are the murder capitols of the US along with more Eastern states
Ok. Then explain the drastic increases in states like Montana and South Dakota?
If you want to strike all the data I'm finding, then where are you finding your data? What source are you using for facts which you consider reliable?
Richard how many homicides did MT have ?.You can do your own research to back up your ideas
Quote from: luvrbus on December 23, 2021, 08:00:45 AM
Richard how many homicides did MT have ?.You can do your own research to back up your ideas
I've done my research and can back up what I'm saying. It seems like you're basing your statements on raw numbers of murders though and not murder rates.
Of course cities with larger populations are going to have more homicides, just like they'll have more of all types of crimes. More people = more things being done wrong. But this is not the same thing as comparing murder rates on a per capita basis - how many bad things are happening per 100,000 citizens. This is the only way to compare crime rates between cities of different sizes. How likely a citizen is to encounter a violent crime has much more to do with crime rates than the raw number of crimes.
Looking at it another way, let's compare two vehicle manufacturers. One sells a 100,000 cars in a year and another 100. The larger company has 500 vehicles which develop a serious problem and the smaller one only 50.
Which company is doing better making quality vehicles? I'd say the larger company is doing much better. Even though they had a higher number of problems using raw data, they only had a 0.5% failure rate. The smaller company with a smaller raw number of failures had a 50% failure rate.
Which company would you rather buy a car from? Based on how you're looking at murder numbers it sounds like you'd rather buy from the smaller company since they had only 1/10th the number of failures. But, that would give you a 50% chance of a problem. I'd buy from the larger company. Even though they had more failures, I'd only have a 0.5% chance of a problem.
It's the same thing when comparing things like murder rates - using raw numbers doesn't tell the whole story.
OK, here's a weird one for you. A Bowie knife is legal in all 50 states. Several states have an exception in their laws specifically for the Bowie knife where they have outlawed just about everything else. Why? You got me. Not only was it designed and used as a dueling weapon, but it is one of the few knives that is reasonably effective and reliable when thrown, provided you hit your target. (even if it doesn't stick) Perhaps it is because it is an effective hunting knife and capable of killing large game, boars in particular.
But if you'd like a pretty effective alternative, how about a 16" crescent wrench? Excellent close quarters weapon and quite the deterrent. A well disguised mace in effect. (and, well, Morning Stars are illegal) In fact any combo wrench over 1-1/2" would be very effective, might be a good idea to keep one just inside the door. Questions may be raised after the fact, but just a light tap with that bad boy should get an instant reaction so mamma can weigh in if need be, and those questions all have maintenance related answers.
As for the guns, racking the pump on the 12 gage almost always does the trick and if not a shot in the air isn't going to do much damage. That should be adequate notice for even the most liberal DA. But just to be clear, odds are if you have to shoot there's an excellent chance you will die.
Jim
Murder rates are a ridiculous measurement, a state with one murder one year and has 2 the next year the rate is 100% increase and a state with a hundred one year and 101 the next has a 1% increase. Beware there is no standardized reporting between any cities or states as to how crimes are classified. If a crime is committed and no REPORT IS MADE the crime never occurred, if all crimes resulted in a report the crime rate would astound you.
Quote from: niles500 on December 23, 2021, 09:24:39 AM
Murder rates are a ridiculous measurement, a state with one murder one year and has 2 the next year the rate is 100% increase and a state with a hundred one year and 101 the next has a 1% increase. Beware there is no standardized reporting between any cities or states as to how crimes are classified. If a crime is committed and no REPORT IS MADE the crime never occurred, if all crimes resulted in a report the crime rate would astound you.
Well said Niles :^ some just don't get it
@jim - https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/pe/htm/pe.46.htm
FYI - Knifes longer than 5.5" which includes virtually all Bowie knives can not be openly carried in the state of texas.
I do very much like the idea of simply carrying an ordinary, common tool which in many cases is more effective than many banned weapons.
Here's a great option that will pass even TSA checkpoint - walking stick or cane. Some that fall under the "tactical" category will not pass but if they are functional, they would surely be more acceptable on the street.
Even a standard natural cane walking stick that has a big ball bearing glued on as the handle is sure to cause some pain if swung into a prep's body or head.
As to crime stats - all a load of BS for the most part. You and I all know which streets and neighborhoods to avoid unless you want to get into a fight or shot. You all know which streets are totally safe to walk around at night. Local, micro crime stats are totally worthwhile for this purpose.
Crime stats at city wide, regional, state level may be interesting to ponder while sitting on the composting toilet in your bus conversion but I assure you knowing where a state ranks in overall per capital murders will not make you safer one iota.
Y'all trippin. He specifically was talking about the per capita crime rate, not the specific change vector year to year, get that strawman argument out of here. This is how all serious studies on crime are worked, because the total number of crimes is tied inseparably to the total population and will always be trending upward to some degree over a broad enough timescale so long as the population continues to grow.
To spin your strawman around, I live in NH, population 1.36 million. If we miraculously only had a single murder this year, that murder rate would be 0.000074% per capita. If our number of murders doubled the next year, that rate would scream all the way up to 0.000147% - who cares what the delta is(100% increase), that still tells you you are insanely unlikely to be murdered in NH.
(For fun, NH's murder rate in 1960 was 1.318% (8 murders out of 606,921), in 2019 it was 0.0024%(33 murders out of 1,359,711)
As to the idea that they just aren't reported - then how the heck do you miraculously know how many crimes there were? Please frame your answer in the form of not an anecdote. Even if we say the official numbers have been off by some percentage due to lack of reporting, there is no reason to believe that inaccuracy is increasing over time, and the numbers still trend toward substantially less violent crime now than there was in the past.
Quote from: Tedsoldbus on December 20, 2021, 06:27:38 PM
When I was about 25 travelling Montana in my truck, I came over the hill and in the road was a little Muley buck. Three broken legs and broken ribs sticking out. I had no firearm and watched a sad death. Never travelled again without tossing a pistol in the glovebox. Travelling in the RVs we've had and now the bus, I still toss in my Glock. Never gave it a thought until recently. A friend with fiberglass coach started last year full time with spouse going everywhere. He purchased the 2021 rules on firearms for each state. After he read the handgun rules for different states, i.e. "ammo must be stored separately, handgun can be in coach area because it is the home but must be out of reach of driver area. and bla, bla, bal.". And don't travel through NY / NJ with a handgun without a permit??
He gave up on handgun. Now just carries a shotgun. Part of that decision is that a shotgun can even go into Canada. I used my Glock for 8 years with a police department but I better not take it to New Jersey? Really? Well then how about a police escort as I travel through your sorry state on my way to Maine!
My father in law recently gave me his really cool bottom ejection short barrel Mossberg. I think I'll just do that and quit worrying.
As you respond with your solution, remember to say "A guy that looks a lot like me in a bus like mine....does this".
To round out this thread before it gets locked down (and it will) Ted if you are traveling in your Bus to a state that allows your weapon and must travel through states such as NJ. NY (Gulp :-\) utilize the services of your local FFL dealer to ship the weapon to a FFl dealer at your destination and stay legal. And with that I will wish everyone a safe and Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years whether on the road traveling or at home.
Peace on Earth & Good will towards man.
Rob, check your math I think you missed something there.
Is that Texas statute recent? I forwarded the link to my source, will see what he says about it.
Jim
Never saw a reference to per capita rates. For the record I'll go with per capita, just not % increase/decrease. I have a building in Pinellas Park that has had 6 property crimes in the last 2 years and there is no record of any, police department doesn't want to do a report on unsolvable crimes nor do they want their crime rate to go up. Code enforcement does contact me to tell me I need to, for example, paint over the tag on the building, or be cited and fined. They do want to make me the criminal as code enforcement board actions aren't reported as crimes.
This is supposed to be about busses nowt all the BS you guys have gone to. Now flame me. Yes, our bus is well protected, and I know how to use them and will, to protect me and mine.
For the first time in 42 years we are dog-less after having gone through four of our rather large best friends (dogs). The freedom of responsibility and expense in owning a dog feels good - not only as a family member but a great deterrent to ill will & miss having one with a passion. What I just said isn't directly related to Firearms in the bus except for the firearm/bear repellant thought in our dog-less mind... Hope that made sense!
Quote from: edvanland on December 23, 2021, 01:31:10 PM
This is supposed to be about busses nowt all the BS you guys have gone to. Now flame me. Yes, our bus is well protected, and I know how to use them and will, to protect me and mine.
Give us break ED wore out old buses and Chinese made air heaters gets boring :^ it did drift a little though,Gary will take it down if it gets out of hand and this was not the first time about traveling with fire arms on the board fwiw.
Is everyone done? If Gary takes this down, I will get the blame! And get taken back down to newbie and have to start all over !!!!
I wish all a safe and happy new year with smooth running engines and no loud alarms from your TPMS
And to all......a good night.
Quote from: Tedsoldbus on December 23, 2021, 05:37:16 PM
I wish all a safe and happy new year with smooth running engines and no loud alarms from your TPMS
And to all......a good night.
There now Eggnogs for everyone, cept for that one guy hiding back there in the corner ;D ;)
Eggnogg! YESS!! that's what I was forgetting! Thanks. I'll run out later today and get some.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on December 23, 2021, 11:48:36 PM
Eggnogg! YESS!! that's what I was forgetting! Thanks. I'll run out later today and get some.
Jim
:^
LOL now we are hitting on all cylinders from fire arms to eggnog 8) 8)
Merry Christmas and a happy and good New Year to all
Yeah, but isn't there some kind of outrage about chickens being held in little boxes and eggs drop down into collection conveyors? All this just for eggnog???
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 24, 2021, 05:38:28 AM
Yeah, but isn't there some kind of outrage about chickens being held in little boxes and eggs drop down into collection conveyors? All this just for eggnog???
That I would not know John since I don't care for Egg Nog
Go with coquito instead - zero moral egg complications! Have yet to see an advocacy group for coconuts.
Quote from: luvrbus on December 24, 2021, 05:45:53 AM
That I would not know John since I don't care for Egg Nog
Love Egg Nog, however it just seems to stick to my beer belly LOL!
Eggnog? No way. I'm of the opinion no one actually likes it. I believe it's a peer pressure thing.
Have you all tried sourkraut balls?
They are amazing.
1lb breakfast sausage
1 block cteam cheese
1 jar of sourkraut drained well. I squeeze the brine out.
Roll in flour then beaten egg then Italian bread crumbs.
Fry in oil. It's really good. You're welcome.
Thanks. I'll put it on my do not try list.lol
Sauerkraut balls? Wonder if that's something Santa would like during a chimney round trip? :o
Moral egg complications? What the heck is that?
Oddly enough the eggnogg I bought had no eggs in it. What's up with that? Tasted good though.
Jim
Nothing beats chicken nuggets cooked in carrot flour,
and coconut oil, that is what I had tonight, friggn Utube recipes suck I wish she was locked out of Utube
Quote from: luvrbus on December 24, 2021, 05:37:11 PM
Nothing beats chicken nuggets cooked in carrot flour,
and coconut oil, that is what I had tonight, friggn Utube recipes suck I wish she was locked out of Utube