We just bought a new toed. 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 60th Anniversary edition. Nice light truck with lots of storage room. 4.0, AW-4 Tranny and part time 4x4, New tires all around and base plates on the way. :^
Smooth rides 'pardner! Some other friends are sort of done with the CJ style chassis, too little too late though, all their fillings dun fell out!
Nice find Dave! Same color as our 09. The comfort was night & day between our Basic CJ5 soft top and the current Grand Cherokee! Great upgrade!
What I plan to tow. I have a hitch for towing '4 Down' but I'd like to find about a 16' enclosed trailer so I can have a "play pen" to "create in" when I am stopped. (//)
Nice Chaz. "Meyers Manks" IIRC. We built two of those back in the 70's. :^
@Dan yep much more comfortable and a heck of a lot faster with the 6, 4.0 and A/C. The 60th Anniversary edition only came in Silver or Black and 16" wheels.
1981 jeep CJ8 (half pickup) When we want to go off roading, my 2013 long time fiat abarth convertable, when we are going to stay on paved roads, one tow hitch fits both, lvmci...
my daily driver 2019 ford ranger 4x4 2.3 eco with the 10 speed auto
awesome truck but I little heavy at 4300 lbs
dave
My plan is to find a quad SxS that I can make fit in the center storage bay. One of the 50's would be narrow enough. The Honda Pioneer 500 is OK on length. The height will need some work. Last week at Townsend I saw one made for or by an outfit in Pigeon Forge that would also work, it was 2wd. Still looking around, I'm not happy with the prices I've seen so far but there's a motorcycle junkyard not far away I've been meaning to visit.
Jim
If authentic Meyers Manx - sell it on BAT. They are commanding insane prices these days.
Dave, we've had our 1999 Cherokee Sport for 10-12 years. I find it to be a good toad and generally a good dependable vehicle. We just had it painted about a month ago. I'm really cheap, so you can imagine what it must have looked like to move me to action. I'm even considering replacing the headliner. The only thing that sometimes bothers me about it is the rough leaf spring ride on long trips. We bought a fancy 2002 Grand Cherokee to address that problem. I had originally thought to use the 2002 GC as a toad but could not bring myself to give up the '99 Sport. I don't know anyone that is unhappy with them.
01 Jeep Wrangler TJ for 5-6 years. Great towed. Light. Use it to get around. Great for off-roading. Also will go down the free way at 70 mph.
Towed a 2002 Jeep Liberty for 14 years,( the first year for the liberty,) now tow a 2012
Jeep liberty and having the same great results, ( last year for the liberty..>>>Dan
1972 Land Rover Series III, 16 forward speeds, 4 in reverse, in use since 1996 behind one of my Eagles. Will not cruise at 70 mph unless attached to an Eagle. Lock-out hubs on all four wheels.
2013 F-150 Extended Cab with 5.0L and 4x4. 5200 lb with 1/4 gas tnak. Amazing toad. Easy to flat tow.
Looks like a great deal. And you can use it around the farm!
When we were full time we towed a stick shift Subaru Baja. Towed great, easy to hook up, could toss the dogs in the back when driving the car around. We had to get it worked on once and had a trip planned. When we got to our destination, Rita had Alamo bring us a car for the 5 days there seeing the sites. Fun to hand them the keys at the end and drive the bus without looking at the rear view camera all the time. With TPMS much of that worry is gone, but we still might go that route if we only take the bus on 5 or 6 trips a year. I do worry about not having a life boat if we break down but renting 5 times a year looks cheap.
Best of luck with your new addition. Sounds ready to hook up and go
What now Dave no water leaks,wet seats and roof over your head nice.I want something lighter the Envoy is easy to tow and hook up but even with 600 hp you know it is there
Quote from: luvrbus on October 19, 2021, 07:58:57 PM
What now Dave no water leaks,wet seats and roof over your head nice.I want something lighter the Envoy is easy to tow and hook up but even with 600 hp you know it is there
Ah hell anything has gotta be better than our crewsky dually lol!
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 17, 2021, 12:54:56 PM
We just bought a new toad. 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 60th Anniversary edition.
Dave -Nice new toy! I'm sure Doreen really appreciates having the A/C and the more comfortable ride!
Since this new toad is heavier than the CJ, you're 5C's little 6V71 may have to huff 'n puff quite a bit more to boogie down the boulevard. If that becomes an issue, remember that I've got access to the 1980 5C I bought awhile back that's got the 6V92N, the HT-740, and 3.33 rear axle gears. More HP, more torque, better transmission, and taller gears for better fuel mileage - or at least only 1600 vs 2100 rpm at 60 mph! A two-day swap for two wrenches working together - extra dropbox available, too. Bus is in Stockton, so would require a return to Californication for a few days. Just a thought to ponder. . .
In the meantime, enjoy the new Jeep!
RJ
Quote from: Van on October 19, 2021, 10:04:03 PM
Ah hell anything has gotta be better than our crewsky dually lol!
Maybe we both need a Fait( probably missed spelled that )like Tom lol naw not happening here Buddy couldn't ride Trooper could though Buddy could to if I left Sonja home.We been looking at Jeep GC in 2014 to 2017 range they are asking more than they sold for new
( Thanks CV_19)
We tow a 2000 Dodge Dakota 4.7 4 x 4 quad cab. Little heavy at 5000 lbs but has worked for us since new.
The Jeep GC Limited we are looking at is around 4500 lbs about a 1000 lbs lighter than the Envoy I don't if it would make that much difference in towing
Our 09 GC Limited is 4500#. 2000# lighter than the Sierra Quadrasteer. 1500# heavier than the CJ5. 5000# lighter than our heaviest trailer. But ya know the old dependable turtle has carted them all. Anchor out - yes. Uphill slow - yes. Get there safe - yes. 8)
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 20, 2021, 06:33:32 AM
Our 09 GC Limited is 4500#. 2000# lighter than the Sierra Quadrasteer. 1500# heavier than the CJ5. 5000# lighter than our heaviest trailer. But ya know the old dependable turtle has carted them all. Anchor out - yes. Uphill slow - yes. Get there safe - yes. 8)
The Envoy doesn't affect my fuel mileage or speed but you can feel it back there when taking off from a stop.Towing the Jeep YJ behind our Eagle I never knew it was there except 1 time when the transfer case exploded in Utah,beleive it or not but my military Humvee is lighter than the Envoy but wider and longer
Quote from: luvrbus on October 19, 2021, 07:58:57 PM
What now Dave no water leaks,wet seats and roof over your head nice.I want something lighter the Envoy is easy to tow and hook up but even with 600 hp you know it is there
Clifford and others
The 98 Jeep wrangler was heavier actually because it had a frame and full roll cage stock at 3,303 to 3,362 lbs
The 2001 Jeep Cherokee because it was one of the first Unibodies at 2,928 to 3,300 lbs so not a problem. Ours is stock and lighter than our jeep was.
The Jeep Cherokee is one bulletproof vehicle. The fact it remained unchanged was a testament to its popularity and the notion of leaving well enough alone. They are harder to find in decent condition since most get molested and canibalized. We are still debating on putting my KTM Duke on a rack or bringing Maries Smart car.
currently towing a 2008 suburban 4x4. yes, can really tell its back there.
All the plastic fuel lines on the 2014 Jeep GC scares the hell out me though
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 20, 2021, 09:32:28 AM
Clifford and others
The 98 Jeep wrangler was heavier actually because it had a frame and full roll cage stock at 3,303 to 3,362 lbs
The 2001 Jeep Cherokee because it was one of the first Unibodies at 2,928 to 3,300 lbs so not a problem. Ours is stock and lighter than our jeep was.
Yea I had 2001 GC for my company car for year only problem I had was the cheap crankshaft sensor and oil pressure sender Jeep used 3 in a year under warranty and the 4.O L does not like gas with Oxygen added mine would run crappy using it lol then you read the manual and it told you what grade of gasoline to use
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 17, 2021, 12:54:56 PM
We just bought a new toed. 2001 Jeep Cherokee Sport 60th Anniversary edition. Nice light truck with lots of storage room. 4.0, AW-4 Tranny and part time 4x4, New tires all around and base plates on the way. :^
Hey Dave we're seriously thinking on putting a second vehicle in the Tok AK garage eventually & prior to have a second vehicle to our one & only 09 GC. We like the body style of the late 90s to 01s as they have more room. We love our GC & are thinking on another one earlier model. I would think the 4L would tow a 21' boat and/or a utility trailer ok - what say you?
Tia.
Compared to the prices on new cars or even 5 year old cars I can put a new drive train in and still be way under those prices. Aware of all the negatives and the overheat problem they had and some still have. we have the two working fans one is mechanical and the other is electronic. It has had the plastic pipe replaced from the water pump to metal and it has the heatshields already on the exhaust to intake manifold. It runs cool at 209 and stays there. Good oil pressure and had a rattle we thought was the tranny 231 but it turned out to be the fan schroud was not put in on the bottom. Two screws and popped it back in and the rattle was gone. We new the AC was working and not cooling but will replace the ac clutch before the next heat wave and refill system. Already tested it. New tires and wheel came on it. Rides a little better than the jeep wrangler but still a little stiff for me so will put in softer shocks and spring sometime. All in all for the price compared to all the ones we looked at here and in Missouri even California had a lot of rust buckets and this one was garage kept so only a few spots. :^
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 21, 2021, 08:42:24 AM
Dan if you mean 4Low? I would make sure it had the 242 Transfer case because mine is the 231 which should only be used on slippery surfaces or it will wheel hop on dry because it is what is called part time 4x4 gearing. The 242 is full time which we didn't want because it eat fuel faster working all the time even when not engaged.
Dan never mind you meant the 4.0L 6 cylinder to tow. I wouldn't because the engine unless new or rebuilt would probably overheat. It will tow but only light stuff.
I had a 88 Jeep pickup with the 4.0 was the best pickup I ever n owned the only problem was the transmission was a Peugeot 5 speed manual that gave problems and cost like crazy when Jeep worked on it and the clutch slave cylinder was inside the bell housing and to replace it was costly.I loved that pickup lol 2 teenage grandsons could never kill it
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 21, 2021, 08:51:00 AM
Dan if you mean 4Low? I would make sure it had the 242 Transfer case because mine is the 231 which should only be used on slippery surfaces or it will wheel hop on dry because it is what is called part time 4x4 gearing. The 242 is full time which we didn't want because it eat fuel faster working all the time even when not engaged.
10-4 on the different transfer cases. I was referring to the 4 liter engine for towing a boat or trailer.
03 Suzuki Vitara 2 door auto 4x4 with lockout front hubs.
03 Suzuki Vitara 2 door auto 4x4 with lockout front hubs.
We tow our 1988.5 Suzuki Samurai. It is the only vehicle we could find that was as slow as our old bus. It tips the scales at 2100 Lbs, and takes 1MPH off of our Silversides blazing top speed. And you can run the trails at just about any off road park, because it is smaller than many ATVs. Patrick
2004 PT Cruiser, Manual Transmission.
Bus does not even know it's there, no difference in acceleration or braking, no noticeable difference in MPG.
Word to the wise, if towing behind a 2 stroke, there are better color choices than white.
Also make sure the steering is left in the unlocked position unless you like buying new front tires.
Peter
also, put in neutral. A geo metro doesn't like first gear@ 50mph behind a 4104.lol
We should also mention that a four down toad is an emergency back up to either moving the bus to a safe(r) location or assist in getting it into a not so good idea area. Ask me how I. know... :o
I used to flat tow the Sammy. I think you can set it up for lockout rear hubs too, not sure what it costs to do it. Made the mistake once of leaving it in gear and still don't understand why it didn't blow up the engine, although the cam pulley failed quite awhile later. I started putting it on the trailer and liked that better. I use it now like a golf cart around the property, very handy for that. Has a lot of rust. Maybe some day I'll tow it to Mexico and trade it for a newer one.
Jim
I use to tow a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee until I wrote it off in April, I tried to find another jeep I found a 2006 jeep with a Mercedes motor but it was sold before I could even see it. Then we found a Buick 2013 Buick Enclave , bought it put a blue ox base plate . Tows fine is as heavy as the jeep.
I found a 2012 Grand Cherokee 4x4 with 38,000 total miles garage kept with a 2.8 Turbo Eco Diesel I am trying to buy,you can order the 2022 4x4 Grand Cherokee with a 3.0 turbo Eco diesel for 70 + to 98 grand lol not happening here for a toed
The Jeep Trail Hawk is a nice plush ride for around 50k,the Track Hawk for 90k is overpriced IMO who needs a 700 hp engine in a Jeep
2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee experiences a faulty fuel system and is stated on consumer reports as the worst issue with this model generation. The fuel pump relay goes bad, and no fuel will enter the engine. This problem comes with an enormous repair cost and can be challenging for some users.Nov 30, 2020
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 22, 2021, 04:56:09 PM
2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee experiences a faulty fuel system and is stated on consumer reports as the worst issue with this model generation. The fuel pump relay goes bad, and no fuel will enter the engine. This problem comes with an enormous repair cost and can be challenging for some users.Nov 30, 2020
Does that include the 2.8 diesel,not many Cherokees came with the 2.8, they don't seem to have problems in the Liberty or Dodge pickups,I am a little concerned about the VM diesel I owned one before in a road boring machine
Who needs 700HP in a Jeep? Come on Luvrbus. Who doesn't? And it's 707 HP. I still smile every time I drive my Trackhawk. I get my groceries home faster than the Jones fella does. BTW, FOR $100K, you get a single speed transfer case that cannot be flat towed. Doesn't matter to me, because it's too heavy for my silversides to tow anyway. Patrick
Our current toad is the 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with the Quadra-Drive 2 six speed - 4X4 & the 5.7 Liter Hemi
We're going tomorrow to look at a 99 Jeep Cherokee Limited with AW4 & IL 4 Liter 4X4. If we buy it - it will eventually reside in Tok AK's garage! :)
Quote from: dtcerrato on October 22, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Our current toad is the 2009 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with the Quadra-Drive 2 six speed - 4X4 & the 5.7 Liter Hemi
We're going tomorrow to look at a 99 Jeep Cherokee Limited with AW4 & IL 4 Liter 4X4. If we buy it - it will eventually reside in Tok AK's garage! :)
I just knew this was a great deal. Advertised on Craig's list for $3200. When I got there it was already sold for $4500. A good foot wetter. A fat wallet too! Geeze.
Quote from: luvrbus on October 22, 2021, 05:00:32 PM
Does that include the 2.8 diesel,not many Cherokees came with the 2.8, they don't seem to have problems in the Liberty or Dodge pickups,I am a little concerned about the VM diesel I owned one before in a road boring machine
Clifford so far not good reviews I found, This guy said;
My 2012 Grand Cherokee overland has been a very good SUV. Drives well, I like the looks, is comfortable and roomy. My issue with the car is that at about 40K miles the dashboard started to bubble and warp. Though I have an extended warranty, the deal (Rairdon of Kirkland, WA) says that they will not fix. So, I'm stuck with a car that looks good from the outside and but is hideous on the inside. I would not buy another 'luxury' car from Jeep, they clearly don't know how to make them and are not willing to stand behind their product.
And
Where it starts to fall short, however, is reliability. The VM Motori EcoDiesel has been plagued with durability issues since its release, leading to some drastic actions from Chrysler in response. First the engine's recommended oil viscosity was increased to 5w40 from the thinner 5w30 that the engine first used.Jan 23, 2019
Most said the 2011 to 2015 2.8 eco diesel were decent but did have some problems with computer things, sensors etc. but were good for 200,000 Miles before anything major.
I found a 2004 Special Edition v8 real clean inside and out 56,000 miles, transmission was replaced at 41,000 miles he showed me the $2700.00 bill.He wants $2000.00 for it because it has a rod through the block now and he has records of having the oil changed every 5,000 miles lol I am starting to wonder about these bullet proof Jeeps now and fuel mileage sucks on the V8 Jeeps
Well the 2002 through the 2006 have that problem with the tranny but the ones with 4.0 being it was not built by Jeep but AMC way back and is pretty good with a few fixable flaws.
Then you have the 3.7, 4.7, and 5.7 Hemi which have problems with the valve train coming loose and the valve seats were made out of powdered metal and the powder eventually gives up but in pieces and gets stuck under the edge of the valves. Engine gone.There is a 3.6 , 6cylinder that is suppose to be pretty good.
Did you know to replace the heater core you have to take out the whole dashboard on many models of the Cherokee?LOL
And being Jeep your tax dollar paid for all these problems with Jeep Chrysler.
I make do with a 2013 Honda CRV. Don't know its there, other than the camera.
I have been towing a 1994 Ford ranger 5 speed for about 15 or 20 years.
I know Ford says not to tow the overdrive transmission and after a bunch of years the thing got noisy and the clutch and throw out bearing. Had the bearings replaces and new clutch and throw out bearing.
By the way the truck has 385 thousand miles with the original 4.0 v6.
Acquired a 1992 4x4 ranger with 5speed from a junkyard for minimum dollars.
Tow able 4 down by ford.. New tires on fancy Explorer rims .3.08 gears front and rear.
Rear came from the same Explorer. has disk brakes on rear.
Same 8.8 rear end but have to mount on the bottom instead of the top.
New tires and wheels,rear end and truck was less than a down payment.
Old un-empoyed people with a od bus have to be cheap
uncle ned
uncle ned
@Dave
How's your new to you Jeep treating you? We've been shopping and every time we see something to go look at (with $$$ in pocket) it sells before we get there! Would like to get one before spring so we can tow it to AK & leave it there...
try a dealer for a used one. Those classified ones have great prices but hard to score unless you are quick. Or consider something in another brand. Lots of 4 wd anymore.
The ones we've been too late on have happened mostly with dealers and also private owners. The used ones on Facebook Marketplace are scary to say the least - they've been chopped & customized to pieces. The WJs are a very popular breed with engines commonly living past 500,000 miles!
Quote from: Dave5Cs on October 23, 2021, 06:33:33 PM
Then you have the 3.7, 4.7, and 5.7 Hemi which have problems with the valve train coming loose and the valve seats were made out of powdered metal and the powder eventually gives up but in pieces and gets stuck under the edge of the valves. Engine gone.
Dave the above statement got my attention and upon much more research my findings were: Due to steel valve seats in the aluminum heads the interference fit wasn't tight enough. With heating & cooling cycles the dissimilar metals worked their way loose & apart. The proactive remedy was to rework the heads to a tighter fit. Chrysler never issued a recall as they were never pressured because it wasn't a safety issue just a quality one.
It's true about the 3.7, 4.7, & 5.7L engines having the valve seat issue but that issue ended with the 2009 introduction of the Eagle Hemi with variable valve timing (vvt). That's why we went with the 2009 model.
We continue to pursue purchase of a XJ model Cherokee to keep in the AK garage. They seem to disappear faster than you can find them & seldom have less than 150,000 miles on them which is considered early in the IL4L's life.
:^
Dan we looked at many before we found this one and finally at a used dealer in overland, Kansas. They wanted 6.700.00 and we traded our Jeep and some cash to add up to 6K and could not talk them down future. This was garaged and clean new tires 16's instead of the 15"s they come with. Interior was immaculate. It does have high mileage (231,758) but runs well.Shifts well. Has a few small oil leaks. But we figure with new 4.0 engines from Jegs, summit, and many others at $2,400.00 and tranny's at 1,500, axles at 500.00 a piece and tranfere cases at 700.00 you can have a new drive train for a lot less than a new car.
The nice thing about Cherokees as well as Jeeps everything is replaceable including body panels hoods doors etc.
Biggest problem we found was rust underneath but they do make new floor pans too, LOL
Dan in my searches I just put in 2001 or whatever Jeep cherokee sport near me in the search bar and got a ton of them. And yes even though we don't do FB we got that site to but found that the ones between 1000 and 2000 were cons or stolen.
Talk about sticker shock price a new loaded GC Jeep I couldn't believe it over 70k lol almost as much as pickup
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD
2.8L VM Motori Turbodiesel
I have not had significant trouble with this jeep and gets up to 28 mpg on the highway--if I keep my foot out of it. Gets 20 mpg around town.
I would like to get an old ford ranger so I could put a motorcycle in the back. Too many of the rangers up here are rusted to pieces. A 4 cyl 5 spd w/ 7 ft bed would be perfect!
Since my Jeep has an Italian motor, I call it my Ferrari!
Quote from: pabusnut on November 15, 2021, 12:12:26 PM
Since my Jeep has an Italian motor, I call it my Ferrari!
I think if Detroit and John Deere would have kept VM they would have made those engines more reliable they were making good progress on the R-756 a 6 cylinder 160 hp engine for off road use,I had one that would drop a valve every other week took awhile but Deere finally figured it out and never gave much of problem after that
My son has the Chevy Colorado ZR2 with the 2.8L Diesel which he claims GM bought the rights to from VM Motori. I did not investigate, but in the global market today could be true!
Wasn't the gm baby diesel sourced from Isuzu?
VM is the Dodge supplier?
I have an ED Dodge, it runs, and is prettty stingy on fuel. After that, i am proud to say my OCD hasn't got a clue, and has found no motivation to learn anything else about it.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
http://dieselresource.com/diesel-resources/2-8l-lwn-duramax-specs/
@ Dan do you go to NY at all of NE two XJ's 2001 cherokee's there and one is a 60 yesr anniversary like ours.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/7ccd034d-a1b0-4ab4-81dc-e3941aa6c411/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/6b6b48c5-e197-451b-8b6c-5a1aaa5d887a/
No and any good looking ones are no where near us. Lots of nice ones out there but far away. Stuff in the NE are usually rust buckets. Real nice units in CO but were trying to find one closer
Thanks for the lead.
Not always we found ours here and it had been garaged. We asked for a lot of pictures of the bottom and front end before we went and looked. Found two that were rust belt specials but three that were not but price was to high if they are too clean with low miles. :^
Look for jeeps in Las Vegas, NV. There was a joke in high school and college, girl students would buy jeeps and join the jeep clubs to find a rugged guy. After they found him, they would sell it, lots of low mileage, never driven off road jeeps in town! Just fly here from anywhere and drive home...
Funny you should say that. There was a time that I realized that all the Wrangler owners I knew were young women with no interest in off-roading.
You can make a good bet that the 4x mechanics are not roughed up from off road use. Not sure the exact statistics but probably 99% of all 4x vehicles are driven on tarmac.
It is easy to tell if a vehicle has been run and used in off-road conditions. Buying one that lives a large metro urban is almost guaranteed to be to not been offered.
LOL - same think can be said of any 4x that has a super nice paint job and gleaming wheels and all the bolt on stuff. Never been off road or maybe once to get that impressive Insta or FB snap or video.
The ones that get used off road you see being trailer on the highway and they would win the most ugly contest.