Today is the 21st have they open the border ?,hope the Canadians are not pissed about the pipeline and open the border
Restrictions still in effect.
For more info: https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/noncan-eng.html (https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/noncan-eng.html)
Closure is at least until Feb. 21st, but I'd expect that they'll keep it closed until we see the trend dropping.
That's a shame I miss my Canadian friends lol plus the good Canadian honey they bring down,The CV-19 has everything screwed up,I tried to order 4-8D Lifeline AGM batteries for my son and it is going to be March before they ship
Yes it is still closed to Feb 21 at least. Only open to essential traffic.
And yes we are pissed about the pipeline cancelation. Now you will have to import that much more oil from the Middle East...
Damned right we're pissed...
Friends? Neighbours? Partners? Project already well underway?
Same old thing, again.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
OK, staying on topic. The postal service between US and Canada really sucks too, so slow. It took 5 weeks to receive a small package, surely some due to Xmas overload. But even when it was not so busy it is seriously delayed. I've been told it is Canadian Customs where stuff is backing up.
Quote from: luvrbus on January 21, 2021, 07:57:28 AM
Today is the 21st have they open the border ?,hope the Canadians are not pissed about the pipeline and open the border
KXL was the worst kept secret. Once it became clear you were going to elect Sleepy Joe the pipeline was doomed. It was already priced into the shares long ago.
Its you that should be extending the border closure and you should be closing your airports too. Your whole country will be vaccinated before we get done doing healthcare workers. Our genius PM had some wet dream about a partnership with the Chinese so we didn't even start buying vaccines until late August. The G20 will be vaccinated in its entirety before 10% of our population gets jabbed.
Quote from: windtrader on January 21, 2021, 04:02:52 PM
OK, staying on topic. The postal service between US and Canada really sucks too, so slow. It took 5 weeks to receive a small package, surely some due to Xmas overload. But even when it was not so busy it is seriously delayed. I've been told it is Canadian Customs where stuff is backing up.
It's not just cross-border mail that's slow, it's also mail within the US. I've been waiting since October for a Media Mail package to come to Wisconsin from Pennsylvania. A normally 3-day Priority Mail is taking over a week. They are certainly having trouble keeping up.
I got a CD mailer from British Columbia to Ohio in 13 days. Two packages by 2-day Priority Mail were sent from Texas on the same day. One package arrived in 13 days, the other does not show any updated tracking since it left. I would say Canadian Post is superior, and that shipping by UPS or Fedex Ground is the most timely in the US.
The IRS supposedly sent our second Stimulus out the 6th of January and haven't seen hide nor hare of it yet.
We got ours electronically about 1 to 1 1/2 weeks ago. Going to use it to buy a Prevost.😄
At this rate, I wouldn't expect the border to open till 2022. Ontario is currently in lockdown.
I hope not. Planning trip to Alaska in mid May. We are scheduled to get our first of two vaccine shots Feb. 4th. Fingers crossed!
Good luck on the Alaska trip. Would like to see how that pans out. We more or less scraped our Alaska plans for this year. We like to leave in mid April to get a jump on the season.
Quote from: dtcerrato on January 23, 2021, 09:04:53 PM
Good luck on the Alaska trip. Would like to see how that pans out. We more or less scraped our Alaska plans for this year. We like to leave in mid April to get a jump on the season.
It does look like the border is closed for discretionary travel, and I'd guess it will be for a while longer. You might have a pathway through Dan, if your place in Alaska is considered a residence. Having a residence in Alaska is one of the ways you can get permission to transit through Canada right now, but I'd think you'd have to get pre-approval before making the attempt.
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/border
Tok AK could be considered a residence as long as the bus is on it so technically yes we're dual residence but so are lots of Canadians that didn't travel this winter season. We like total freedom when doing a trip of that magnitude from FL at $10 thou. price tag. We have a growing urge to spend more time in Canada, specifically Yukon T. But with even partial Covid restrictions the trip just isn't what it could/should be
Quote from: dtcerrato on January 24, 2021, 06:55:52 AM
Tok AK could be considered a residence as long as the bus is on it so technically yes we're dual residence but so are lots of Canadians that didn't travel this winter season. We like total freedom when doing a trip of that magnitude from FL at $10 thou. price tag. We have a growing urge to spend more time in Canada, specifically Yukon T. But with even partial Covid restrictions the trip just isn't what it could/should be
I am trying to get the ok to visit a friend Tom Caffery in Kathcen AK this spring who is not doing good so far no luck without flying,that is not going to happen on a commercial flight because of Sonja's health for us
Have you and Sonja had any info on when vaccine is available for you two?
Friends who live in AK were turned around in their bus at the Canadian border in September when they wanted to come South.
I drove trucks to Haines Junction YT from southern BC two years ago. Beautiful country. I would like to go back with the bus. You would need to take 2 to 3 months to make it worthwhile. This summer might be too soon to enjoy fully.
Quote from: chessie4905 on January 24, 2021, 07:34:31 AM
Have you and Sonja had any info on when vaccine is available for you two?
We can get the vaccine easy,we decided not to take it lol only time I had the flu was when I took the flu shot (twice) so we will wait and see how the vaccine works before rolling up our sleeves
Quote from: dtcerrato on January 23, 2021, 09:04:53 PM
Good luck on the Alaska trip. Would like to see how that pans out. We more or less scraped our Alaska plans for this year. We like to leave in mid April to get a jump on the season.
Darn Dan, me knowing Saskatoon is a mandatory stop for anyone going to Alaska.
I was hoping to maybe "convoy" with you guys in one of the buses on your next trip to Tok.
I was also thinking of asking if I could leave the bus in ToK :)
Maybe my dual citzenship papers will allow me a free pass to cross borders. :)
And me sitting here twiddling my thumbs just hoping to be able to break the bonds of Nevada and Travel full time this spring. ;D
Van just do it come on man........ :^ :^
All Americans should be able to travel to and thru Canada. Heck, most of our government people spent Xmas holidays abroad ....
Quote from: lostagain on January 24, 2021, 07:41:10 AM
You would need to take 2 to 3 months to make it worthwhile. This summer might be too soon to enjoy fully."
JC!
And that's from Alberta! Or even the west coast of Canada or even the western lower 48... Try doing it from the opposite corner! Like Florida. For us 2 to 3 months would feel like a waste! We'd done it twice now - 1st trip was 4 months 2nd trip was almost 5-1/2 months! At 10 to 12 grand minimum we feel like we got to squeeze every day & hour out of a trip like that... Just saying.
You're spot on in saying - "This summer may be too soon to enjoy."
Unfortunately... :(
Quote from: Paso One on January 24, 2021, 09:37:36 AM
Darn Dan, me knowing Saskatoon is a mandatory stop for anyone going to Alaska.
I was hoping to maybe "convoy" with you guys in one of the buses on your next trip to Tok.
I was also thinking of asking if I could leave the bus in ToK :)
Maybe my dual citzenship papers will allow me a free pass to cross borders. :)
Hey Paul
Convoying would be great - we know how to do that now, don't we? :)
If I said yes on leaving "a" bus in Tok heck there would have already been a 4104 from Happy Valley AK offered to us parked in Tok for residency. ;)
I'm certain "residency" denotes more than a bus "parked" somewhere. It also entails documentation like Deed, utility bills, references, etc. Been doing homework on that already. Bottom line is if that border patrol officer questioning you at entry has a bad day - not even all the formal documentation will get you through. :-\
We were really looking forward to passing through Pembina soon so we could maybe dust off our antlers! ;)
hopefully, there will be changes before May. After millions of doses administered and the pressing issues of curtailed tax receipts should encourage to relax restrictions sooner rather than later.
Wait till the income tax forms start rolling in and our politicians realize how much tax revenue comes up even shorter than they can comprehend.
If your going to cross the border into Canada do some research first to find out "what the border officials" want to hear and then ensure you comply.
From my understanding they want to know that you are heading straight to Alaska.No stopping to visit friends in Sask.Alta etc. Then once you are in Canada do as you please.The secret is to "KNOW" beforehand what they WANT to hear.
@Fred Mc said: "Then once you are in Canada do as you please. The secret is to "KNOW" beforehand what they WANT to hear.
I wouldn't go as far to think that. Your movements are on a time clock. In, out, & during. We have a couple experiences ourselves and also know of many people we've met that move annually in & out of AK - CA - 48 States.
Knowledge & to say the right things helps but not a cure all for auto pilot to anywhere when your in (or out) IOHO...
Quote from: Fred Mc on January 25, 2021, 10:10:35 AM
Then once you are in Canada do as you please.The secret is to "KNOW" beforehand what they WANT to hear.
During recent Covid times that is not the case anymore. They have strict procedures now..... Many people are getting caught and the fines are horrendous.
Need to wait till this awful time passes for many reasons.
Amen...
Yeah, as time gets closer, I do some serious inquiries. Don't want to get into trouble. They share information between all border crossings from what Ive heard. If it doesnt work out, then a huge tour of US this year instead. Assuming that will work.🙄
Traveling someplace, displaying licence plates from some other place in the middle of this is asking for trouble.
You will be watched and reported on by many dozens of distressed locals all along the way.
So many people have been trying to do their part, and the frustration with those who appear to not be doing theirs is rising with the death toll.
Best to wait for everyone to relax a bit?
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
We'll see what May brings.
Quote from: chessie4905 on January 26, 2021, 04:31:37 AM
We'll see what May brings.
Here it brings wifey's birthday & in years past her birthday gift was Canadian border - & North but not this year.
Good luck, keep us posted & safe travels to all fur sure! :^
Here in Manitoba, (besides being -35 degrees) they will be making it manditory for a 14 day quarantine starting Thursday @ midnight for any non-essential border crossing. Even from a neighbouring Province. Exemptions are health care workers, essential services (transportation) and by special arrangement. Hell has arrived!
From what is going on more recently around the globe, I'm softening my attitude that we dumb Americans and their fierce independent streak have created much of the pain and suffering COVID is able to inflict on populations.
However, seeing this sort of post, watching how hard the UK is shutting itself off, and countries like South Korea that had it beat, all fighting hard again, makes me reassess how much any democratic country can crush this disease.
Only countries like China and those very small and remote seem to be able to control it. And now with multiple variants forming each day and inadequate vaccine production, it does seem this is going to drag on far longer than most of us had hoped. Stay safe and boondock guilt free!
" Exemptions are health care workers, essential services (transportation) and by special arrangement. Hell has arrived!"
So they can't get covid right?
I'm not going to assume China is controlling it. Its not like they are free with their information to the press.
Quote from: chessie4905 on January 27, 2021, 08:59:46 PM
I'm not going to assume China is controlling it. Its not like they are free with their information to the press.
I'd take any bet, it is under control in China given the absolute iron fist they have over their citizens. From early on, they instituted various systems and technology to know where everyone is, who they had contact with, surveillance cameras everywhere monitoring people's temperature, etc etc. I am certain if anyone pops up with COVID they are all over it and they will seek out every possible person who might have contracted it and quarantine them, no questions asked.
That is sure what they would like us to believe..>>>Dan ( Not likely with 1.3 billion people where most are dumb as a stump)
Quote from: Utahclaimjumper on January 28, 2021, 06:37:26 AM
That is sure what they would like us to believe..>>>Dan ( Not likely with 1.3 billion people where most are dumb as a stump)
Oh my I think we just made a sharp turn on to a dead end street with this topic
Quote from: Fred Mc on January 27, 2021, 08:41:51 PM
" Exemptions are health care workers, essential services (transportation) and by special arrangement. Hell has arrived!"
So they can't get covid right?
Seems so. LOL, and I work in the transportation industry so WooHoo, I don't need a vaccine 'cause I'm immune! :o
I know not everyone will agree with whatever protocals are put in place but let's face it, the current adminstration (wherever you are) does not know squat in the handling of any pandemic. That is fact because they have not gone through it. While they may have history to sample from nobody knows what the best thing to do is. So they take a stab at a path to follow and roll with the flow as it ambles down the stream. 10 different people will have 10 different and unique opinions on how to handle things.
One thing for sure ... time will be the ultimate judge.
Be as safe as you can and hope for the best.
Quote from: Fred Mc on January 27, 2021, 08:41:51 PM
" Exemptions are health care workers, essential services (transportation) and by special arrangement. Hell has arrived!"
So they can't get covid right?
I don't think that is what they are saying at all. Seems much more like a recognition that certain categories of workers will need to be able to cross in order for basic functions to continue, like medical services and food delivery.
It's all just a ploy to control the populace. Soon we will all be inoculated which gives them a chance to inject hundreds of micro miniature transmitters and receivers into our bloodstream so those can migrate to our brains and lock into control centers where they can track us and influence decisions and in worst cases (unreconstructed rebels) cause self termination.
You might think the range is too short but this is no longer a problem since the later generations of bird drones can simply sit on a power line close by to relay the signals. BirdsArentReal.com)
Also the volume of traffic is no longer an issue due to the new quantum computers.
Now that low volume testing has been completed (all the unexplained traffic deaths) they are ready to move on to widespread deployment. But don't worry about it, you will only be directed to make a few seemingly inconsequential decisions in compliance with the master plan. And you will be generously compensated for your compliance by stimulation of your pleasure centers so you really won't mind it at all. All this has become absolutely necessary due to Global Warming and the fact that the size of hollow earth simply is not large enough to contain the entire world's population. A certain amount of winnowing is simply unavoidable therefore the best and brightest will be selected and you will be one of them. (If you are not you will be magnanimously compensated by generous stimulation of your pleasure centers so that you will not mind anyway.)
This is all set to kick off just as soon as everyone turns in their guns, scheduled for next year's Superbowl Sunday. At that point it will be announced that the crisis is upon us and we must access hollow earth via the subway systems. Our newly elected officials will lead us into a brave new world where all Republicans and other undesirables have been left outside to be sadly wiped from existence by the ravages of global change. With a little help from those who know what is best for us. So trust us, we're the government and we're here to help.
Jim
Really!? Are you joking? I hope so. Either way, this is laughable.
Tin foil hat?🙄
Don't forget the antennae, mamoo mamoo...
or something like that!
Lol
And this is how we enter the Matrix...
Jim, I checked out the website, eerily reminded me of the book '1984'
Both fiction but... could come true at any time
Oh my I think we just made a sharp turn on to a dead end street with this topic
Way off the subject..........................................................................
And you wonder why we won't let you across our border. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
So, just to be clear. Is there anyone making fun of this guy Jim who has been wearing a diaper on their faces for 6 months or so now? But, go on...act like he's the only weird one. Sheeple are funny. I used to think bus guys were independent and tough. I stand corrected. Patrick.
Not suprising since full moon is tonight.
On another board the mention was made of the inmates running the asylum.
So lets live up to our values!
It there were no inmates there wouldn't be an asylum, right?
So what fun would that be?
At the beginning of the "CHINA"" Flu i watched a video of a doctor who worked in a NY hospital treating covid patients.His advice was to maintain a social distance, use hand sanitized religiously, don't touch your face and wear a mask.His reasoning for the mask was that it made you more aware that you shouldn't touch your face. So for the last year my wife and I have lived as normal as you can under the circumstances.We are careful but it doesn't stop us from doing most things (go swimming every morning and going for dance lessons tomorrow). On the other hand I have a friend(same age-75) who hasn't left his house in a year and a sister who lives is Sask where its 25 deg. below 0 who is going to her grand daughters birthday where they are doing it OUTSIDE) I don't know if the masks work or not.And I don't believe ANY media anymore either( on anything). But to me its a minor inconvenience so I wear it IN CASE it does do some good. As an aside, I find it incredulous that we can put a man on the moon and plan an expedition to mars yet can't determine if masks are effective or not.
Masks have been determined to be useless against something as small as a virus for many years. Even surgical masks. The tyrants don't care about the facts. The media will not report any facts, and big tech will unperson anyone who is gutsy enough to tell us unwashed masses the truth. But the information is out there. We're just too lazy to look it up while we are cowering under our beds. Rant over(for now). Patrick
Yes, viruses are much smaller than the mask can filter for, but does that really mean they are ineffective? Sneezes and coughs create droplets of saliva and that is something a mask CAN filter out. Plus if the person who sneezes or coughs is wearing a mask most of it will be contained before it can get out into the wild. So I don't think you can really say that they are ineffective.
Anyway it's more about viral load than simple exposure. Just a few viruses landing on you are not going to infect you unless you are particularly susceptible. They have to be able to multiply faster than your natural defenses can eliminate them. Slow that process down and you will kill it before it takes hold. That's why a shot of whiskey upon noticing a tickle in the throat will often stave off a sore throat or cold. Not because you weren't exposed, but because you decreased the number of infectious organisms, delaying their growth and allowing your body more time to kill the ones that were left.
Seems to me a mask can do a similar thing provided you don't find yourself in a virus rich environment. Which explains the social distancing.
Anyway, don't go out without your tinfoil hat. ;D
Jim
Quote from: 47hound on January 28, 2021, 07:44:34 PM
Masks have been determined to be useless against something as small as a virus for many years. Even surgical masks. The tyrants don't care about the facts. The media will not report any facts, and big tech will unperson anyone who is gutsy enough to tell us unwashed masses the truth. But the information is out there. We're just too lazy to look it up while we are cowering under our beds. Rant over(for now). Patrick
For every study you have showing masks are not effective, there are just as many showing they are. If they were as ineffective as you claim, then hospitals would have ceased using them years ago to eliminate unnecessary expenses.
Rather than name calling and pointing fingers, I'd rather hear you make suggestions on how to solve this problem so we can get back to normal life. As long as this virus is running wild that will be difficult to do. So, if you feel masks are not the answer what do you think is?
It is sorta dumb to see people wearing masks driving in a car alone,or wearing one to enter a restaurant then removing it,I wear one when required but follow the doctors order and use the 1 time use only mask he is not a big fan of masks preventing the spread now back to our regular broadcast
Dont forget that our population is about 318 million. 433,000 deaths. Less than approx 1 percent. Still a significant number, but arond here, almost no on we know has gotten it. There was a nursing home about 20 miles from us that 85 percent were infected and several died. And we don't hide under our bed. When I was a kid, Polio was similarly scary.
Quote from: chessie4905 on January 29, 2021, 04:38:38 AM
Dont forget that our population is about 318 million. 433,000 deaths. Less than approx 1 percent. Still a significant number, but arond here, almost no on we know has gotten it. There was a nursing home about 20 miles from us that 85 percent were infected and several died. And we don't hide under our bed. When I was a kid, Polio was similarly scary.
All this stuff passes I haven't changed my life much and don't hide under the bed with me it's business as usual.I notice no one is dying from the Flu now though
We are in a lock down here at home and that is a pain in the @$#.
All normal stores are closed but most will let you call in a order and after some time you can go there and the store puts your order in the trunk and you never get out of your car or truck . The only stores that you can go into are stores with food or drugs , no restaurants other then drive throughs . But before the lock down I did not mind wearing a mask to go in to a store and they will not let you in if you don't .
It is all a pain but then again it is better the getting covid
Can't wait for the new normal to come back and go for a drive in the coach
dave
Just lite up a cheap cigar and people won't get in 10 ft of you ;D ;D 20 ft for a Cuban cigar
https://youtu.be/zwDvF0NtgdU
I think things will quickly change when officials see the drop in tax revenue by end of April or so. It got to be bad. Although what's several trillion more or less?
I know a number of people personally who have had COVID. One just lost his sense of smell. Another was down pretty hard for almost a week.
The third person is a friend of mine. He got hit hard. He was hospitalized for over a week at Thanksgiving. He would have been in ICU, but the ICU was full. It has been two months now and he still can't do anything for more than four to six hours a day. He probably won't be able to work for another six weeks.
Seems to be a larger proportion of bad cases than the flu. Plus they still don't know why.
Jim
Viruses can do some really nasty things to the body, some with quite long-lasting problems. Other viruses lay dormant and reappear years later with severe symptoms. Right now, it seems like they're just beginning to get a start of understanding how this particular virus is going to affect people. However it turns out, it's something I'm trying my best to avoid.
They're all gone now, but if you could, ask a wwII veteran from the pacific theatre about malaria... they kept quiet and didn't say nothing... that crap came back over and over for the rest of their lives. Nobody gave a crap, jobs lost in the 50's and 60's... if you can't come to work, nobody cares why...
Covid has the signs of being similar, that bug is going to screw with folks for a long time, and just like the vet in the years following wwII, nobody is going to care, or want to hear about it.
The romantic notions only come when there are few enough of the doddering old souls to not matter...
How about we do something positive, and break this chain, and speak out on behalf of those poor souls who have have the long haul covid?
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Well said Warrior!
Lyme disease creates long term issues in some also. One problem is as we age, we come down with issues that may or may not be related to these illnesses. The lawyers will help sort it all out.🙄
When you consider that a virus replicates by essentially hijacking the host's own cells and genetic material, it's not difficult to understand why they are such ornery things to get rid of. It's also not difficult to understand why some viruses are being connected to the formation of long-last problems and even cancers.
Older adults that have abused their bodies seem to be more venerable ,I have a friend Jerry that just spent a week in the hospital he doing ok just weak but still is driving his Eagle on short trips. 1 of our girls is a RN in Houston she caught it and was down a week but went back to work in 2 weeks.I know testing through the nose hurts like hell next time if we are exposed they will do a blood test on me I am going to do that again.CV-19 is going to affect all people with different affects my doctor tells me
Buswarrior, there are still WW11 veterans around....less and less of them, but they aren't all gone yet.
Yes, a few, but not likely the ones that dealt with maleria flare ups for the rest of their lives.
Grandfather went to Burma with the British, and maleria was his gift to take home and remind him irregularly of his "service" for another 55 years.
Same as the strange health issues that the troops came home with and continue to have flare-ups, with more recent activities, Desert Storm, etc, nobody wants to hear about it, or just cast aspersions on them.
Still lots of secret suffering that doesn't translate well into a cable channel "documentary" !
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
I was taught Malaria was a parasite and a disease not a virus I could be wrong though anyone know for sure
There are people whose life's path have led them to have illnesses that have left them with only a fraction of their natural bodies defense of bacteria and viruses invasion that surround us every day. Some of modern medicine cures save lives but leave you with a suppressed immune system, causing you to be more susceptible to catching the common cold or covid19 much easier and to a more severe case, even death...
There was also the forgotten war and Agent Orange. but I'd say the chemical effects were usually much milder than the social and economic ones. Still, they all linger on...
Jim
Certainly nothing you could call bus related..>>>Dan
So you could fly in and rent a Bus :^
Quote from: luvrbus on January 30, 2021, 08:07:17 AM
I was taught Malaria was a parasite and a disease not a virus I could be wrong though anyone know for sure
Its a protozoa or plasmodium - basically a single celled thing. Definitely not a virus.
There are four species of Malaria parasites that are transmitted by mosquitoes. If the proper drugs are given it can be totally eliminated, if not, some people have the infection for decades. The military was not always consistent about treating soldiers properly. I was in a malaria prone area for over two years and I could not donate blood for over three years after leaving.
Interesting thread drift. . .
See! We're not just single minded. We can discuss other subjects besides just busses. Wives take note.
Guess this puts the malaria parasite higher up the complexity chain than viruses then. At least malaria has a cell and is alive - viruses are sub-cellular and technically are not alive. Amazing how much damage they can cause nonetheless.
Quote from: RJ on January 30, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
Interesting thread drift. . .
It is interesting people being hunkered down from the CV-19 breaks the boredom for people
Quote from: Dave5Cs on January 30, 2021, 12:32:06 PM
So you could fly in and rent a Bus :^
not for long as the feds are about to put more restrictions in place for international flights . only 4 airports in all of Canada will allow flights in and there will be a mandatory covid test and you the flyer will have to stay in a selected hotel room close to the airport at your expense ( up to $2000 ) for 3 days to see what the test is . if it is positive the feds will send you to a holding location for 14 days . all flights to any islands are to be stopped as well
will it help ?with covid who knows
all the snowbirds that went south are pissed
covid covid covid
dave
So... a good time to open the border to Mexico then right?
Jim
IMHO if we the human race would have jumped on this newest pandemic from the very beginning without hesitation from political fallout and did it like all our lives depended on it - we all globally would have been out of the woods or at least heading out of the woods by now. We dilly dallied & worried about our freedoms while this non selective beasty has had plenty of time to spread globally and metamorphized with variants & probably right around the corner full fledged mutations. Woe to us the highest of the food chain to think we are the superior race. Best thing about us are our buses & each other. Rant over carry on...
Well said Dan
Two weeks. We could have been done with all this crap in two weeks. Still could. But that'll never happen.
Jim
You're dreaming.🤔🙄
Has anyone ever stop to think how the CV-19 could break out all over the world in the same time frame ? I have, some countries you would need to back pack in so travel didn't spread it
One thing I remember. We live near Penn State University which hosts many international students. In fall 2019 noticed several of the Chinese students wearing face masks when we were in local Walmart. Didn't think much about it till recently. Connection or just trying to avoid normal flus or colds? Who knows.
Quote from: chessie4905 on January 31, 2021, 06:08:39 PM
One thing I remember. We live near Penn State University which hosts many international students. In fall 2019 noticed several of the Chinese students wearing face masks when we were in local Walmart. Didn't think much about it till recently. Connection or just trying to avoid normal flus or colds? Who knows.
Lots of masks were worn in Asian countries before Covid-19 was even thought about. They've battled with other illness and viruses prior to this and it was not at all uncommon.
Asian Orientals are notorious for wearing face masks. Guess they're used to these type of viruses. They eat any & everything in their country & the world.
The Chinese live wet meat markets are a sight to behold. IMO these viruses have been around since the beginning of time the one thing getting exponentially different is mass population of not just humans but the mixture of humans & animals together in a world that mixes these living creatures & the viruses they carry faster than our beauty of beasts suck air through their radiators - thus creating pandemics. What really scares the hell out of me is when I read $#!% that says this particular pandemic is just the tip of an iceberg for what could happen thus science needs to be able to do what they do best (AKA effective vaccines) and for surely KEEP IT SEPARATE FROM POLITICS. :o
The problem is the anti science movement that has taken on by the anti intellectuals, we all benefit from science discoveries., inventors, and creative people..
We benefit from some science discoveries not all are better for the human race some of it kills a lot people especially in the medical world
I talk to a decent number of international folks online and almost all of them are appalled at Americans reasoning for refusing even the most basic precautions. Americans have lauded about how much they would do for their country until they are asked to put a tiny piece of cloth across their face to keep grandma alive. In Asian countries it is considered rude to go out without a mask if you are experiencing ANY respiratory effects whether they are allergies or a cold or if your family member has a cold. In areas of high population density it is almost required to not be sick all the time. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has noticed that I haven't caught anything all winter which is pretty nice to say the least. I hope once this is all over the idea that you should cover your nose and mouth when sick will stick with us.
It is pretty sad to see how many Americans value their own comfort over the public health of their country.
Quote from: benherman1 on February 01, 2021, 07:37:13 AM
I talk to a decent number of international folks online and almost all of them are appalled at Americans reasoning for refusing even the most basic precautions. Americans have lauded about how much they would do for their country until they are asked to put a tiny piece of cloth across their face to keep grandma alive. In Asian countries it is considered rude to go out without a mask if you are experiencing ANY respiratory effects whether they are allergies or a cold or if your family member has a cold. In areas of high population density it is almost required to not be sick all the time. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who has noticed that I haven't caught anything all winter which is pretty nice to say the least. I hope once this is all over the idea that you should cover your nose and mouth when sick will stick with us.
It is pretty sad to see how many Americans value their own comfort over the public health of their country.
Problem is no one knows how many or what type mask to wear.it take a very special mask for a virus that only a special micro scope can detect,I think it spread by contact myself and not air born
Quote from: luvrbus on February 01, 2021, 07:40:27 AM
Problem is no one knows how many or what type mask to wear
For the most part, any mask is better than no mask. The standard-issue surgical mask is a great place to start. Most of us probably have a few N95 masks sitting around our shops unused from some project we did - they are commonly sold as dust masks and were widely available before Covid.
OK the internet is the greatest thing since slice bread (hey that was discontinued during WWII to the great constellation of house wife's and grandma became very valuable because she knew how to slice bread).
However it allows the crazies to have a self reinforcing audience, where before at the local bar someone would tell X Waco your nuts; they now can reach out to other anonymous people with the same bent/distorted view point (basically) for validation. I.E. We have lost herd immunity to the Waco's out there.
The thing with masks is they do not filter virus's, its that the virus's are transported in water droplets that we exhale, which the masks absorb.
Note basically no body worries about surface transfer's anymore.
On the inverse side medical discoveries used to be printed up and hand delivered for review, now sending it in for review is just a click away.
Hey maybe we need viewpoint anonymous, hosted at the local bar or social club before you can post?
Yeah. I've been reading Donald Westlake lately (Dortmunder) and his "regulars" at the bar completely remind me of going online. Are people really that intentionally stupid? Based on my own extensive bar experience, yeah. They are. Pretty much exactly. It sorta takes a concerted effort but as a group we can be pretty creative about it. So why wouldn't that apply to something that Nobody wants to do? Who IS this Nobody anyway, and how did he take over local programming?
Jim
You see today is no one wants to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth... :^
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 01, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
You see today is no one wants to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth... :^
That's a good trick - how do I make people do that?
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 01, 2021, 12:41:09 PM
You see today is no one wants to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth... :^
most people today have that deer in the headlights look until they are talking
dave
benherman1
Well said!
When a guy selling pillow's is considered a "threat to society", society
needs a check
Omg, and I bought some of his products.😬
Careful about laying your head on that stuff at night! Lol
And be mindful of the free blankets too.
"We're from the Government and we're here to help."
Jim
Quote from: RJ on January 30, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
Interesting thread drift. . .
;D ;D Thread has more mileage than a tank of fuel ;)
I am having a hard time figuring what kind of mask us old people need to wear.
Sometimes i wear my lone ranger mask.
And other time my barman.
But i think my superman is the most effective.
Been at it for 78 years must be working
uncle ned
Quote from: Van on February 02, 2021, 02:25:55 PM
;D ;D Thread has more mileage than a tank of fuel ;)
I can't get any help thanks to this thread.
Geesh.
This is what happens when the border is closed, all we can do is talk about it! Geeze!
Hey Great Soapbox!!!
One good thing for my Canadians friends that will come from the CV-19 is we will be printing more paper money making your money worth more here ,lol unless you guys start printing more too !!
So we should invest in Canadian Money then EH? :^
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 03, 2021, 06:20:51 AM
So we should invest in Canadian Money then EH? :^
The Canadian Maple Leaf is not a bad investment I have few in my rainy day fund,I have b ought Maple Leafs for years and now they are worth around 200 bucks ea
Our governor just announced he wants a personal income tax increase. So it's started.
Most of the eastern states are so poorly managed, why give them more money to squander..>>>Dan
In other medical news...
Doctors can't find a case of influenza with a search warrant.
E
Quote from: Utahclaimjumper on February 03, 2021, 08:08:38 AM
Most of the eastern states are so poorly managed, why give them more money to squander..>>>Dan
Kind of a broad statement, eh? Lots of states in the eastern portion of the US.
our prime minister ( president ) is spending money faster then you could say
GONE !!
but we elected him ???????//
to bad that my kids and grand kids will have to pay it back
dave
Quote from: Utahclaimjumper on February 03, 2021, 08:08:38 AM
Most of the eastern states are so poorly managed, why give them more money to squander..>>>Dan
January report from the SUNY Rockefeller Institute of Government found that just eight states gave more to the federal government in 2018 than they received in federal spending: New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Colorado, Minnesota, Utah and Nebraska. Over the past four years, New York contributed $116.2 billion more to the federal government than it got back in federal spending.
The remaining 42 states received more than they contributed, with Virginia, Maryland, Kentucky, Alabama and Ohio leading.
Quote from: chessie4905 on January 30, 2021, 04:27:01 AM
Lyme disease creates long term issues in some also. One problem is as we age, we come down with issues that may or may not be related to these illnesses. The lawyers will help sort it all out.🙄
A friend of mine has Lyme disease that was not properly diagnosed for at least a decade. He is partially disabled due to it. He had a good job as an electrician he could no longer do. It has been a good 20 years now and it still affects him.
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 03, 2021, 06:20:51 AM
So we should invest in Canadian Money then EH? :^
Only if you never watch or listen to the news. Our Prime Minister actually said that the government was borrowing money and giving it to Canadians so that those same Canadians wouldn't have to borrow the money. You can't make this stuff up.
My great grandchildren will be paying off this clown's borrowing binge. By the time the border opens again it will take a wheelbarrow of Canuck bux to buy one greenback.
Quote from: bobofthenorth on February 03, 2021, 08:07:34 PM
...By the time the border opens again it will take a wheelbarrow of Canuck bux to buy one greenback.
Don't worry - we're all in about the same situation borrowing with no end to try and dig out of this. My guess is all currencies will fall or rise about the same.
I don't know about that. Were blowing through money just as fast. I fact, much of the world is doing the same so if everyone triples or more their debt..
Printing money,debt and spending = inflation our leaders say no inflation LMAO price a new pickup or buy food
99% of statistics are made up numbers and inflation is just a statistic so...
Hey, if elections can be stolen, money should be a cinch.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on February 04, 2021, 07:26:32 AM
99% of statistics are made up numbers and inflation is just a statistic so...
Jim
Have you got any statistics to back up your claim?
1964 I made 1.25$ per hr. 19Cent gas.. 39 cent milk. new car or truck 1400$$ Made close to 35$ plus benefits when I retired in 2008. Gas was near $4 and new Car/truck were in 40,000 range. When it comes down to it did I really gain anything?
no, that is the benefit-curse of inflation.
no, that is the benefit-curse of inflation.
Quote from: robertglines1 on February 04, 2021, 10:30:51 AM
1964 I made 1.25$ per hr. 19Cent gas.. 39 cent milk. new car or truck 1400$$ Made close to 35$ plus benefits when I retired in 2008. Gas was near $4 and new Car/truck were in 40,000 range. When it comes down to it did I really gain anything?
Yes - you gained quite a bit. That $1.25/hour you earned in 1964 was worth $8.68/hour in 2008 dollars. So, if you left in 2008 earning $35 + benefits you more than tripled your actual earnings after adjusting for inflation. I'd say that's a gain.
As for inflation as it relates to consumer goods? That all depends on being able to compare apples to apples and I'm not sure you can do that with cars. A normal car in 1964 didn't include much in the way of bells and whistles, but in 2008 it would have been difficult to find one being sold the same way to get a fair comparison.
A gallon of milk averaged $0.93 in 1964. If that increased with inflation it would have cost $6.46 in 2008, but it was only averaging $3.82/gallon. Again, your wages climbed more than inflation, but the cost of milk less. This would again seem like you've gained.
On the flip side, some things today are far cheaper than they were in 1964 dollars if calculated as a percentage of take-home pay. Color televisions would be just one example - they are much cheaper today. Another gain?
Plus it put you in a higher tax bracket so Uncle Sammy gained too! Everybody wins!
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on February 04, 2021, 01:56:39 PM
Plus it put you in a higher tax bracket so Uncle Sammy gained too! Everybody wins!
Jim
Thank you for playing, but not so quick.
The top federal tax rate in 1964 was 77% and in 2021 the top tax rate is only 37%. If you are towards the lower end of the spectrum you still do better as far as tax rate now vs. then since the bottom tax rate in 1964 was 16% and today it's only 10%.
Family food budgets as a percentage of family income have dropped nearly in half since the 60s as well - families were spending 17.5% of their income to feed themselves in 1960 compared to less than 10% in recent years.
Of course, back in 1964 most Americans were buying much less consumer goods overall. There was far less to spend on - no cable, no internet, no cell phones, etc. Maybe this is why it feels like we can't get ahead nowadays as compared to back then. Eliminate all the new things we spend money on, and things compare much better.
Compare the closet space in a house built in 1964 with one built today - the amount of space being built into homes to store all the needless crap we buy is astounding compared to back then. Hell, around here one of the fastest growing businesses seems to be self-storage facilities so that people will have a place to put all the new crap they bring home.
I think in this regard we're our own worst enemy. If people's purchasing habits stayed the same from 1964 till today, we'd all think we were wealthy in comparison.
I'm not trying to say that everything is peaches and cream today. Obviously there are lots of problems, especially with the covid-related job losses and suffering. Just trying to point out that all is not as bad as if feels sometimes, and it can sometimes feel pretty bad.
We been at a low interest rate for years now trying to keep the economy on track,that is not going to last forever I remember Jimmy Carters 21 % interest rates,milk would be 8 dollars a gal but it has always been subsidized by the government a lot diary's go broke because the farmer gets peanut for milk leaving his farm
You are forgetting all the rest of the taxes and fees.
Quote from: chessie4905 on February 04, 2021, 03:24:00 PM
You are forgetting all the rest of the taxes and fees.
Fees? You mean the things that get increased when politicians don't have the courage to tell you that they are going to raise your taxes?
just announced this morning that state park fees are rising " due to Covid".
Excellent excuse for all tax and fee increases going forward.🤑
Any of you guys remember when you paid your Social Security tax up to $3000.00 on wages and then it stopped and the rate was like 3%
Quote from: luvrbus on February 05, 2021, 04:33:10 AM
Any of you guys remember when you paid your Social Security tax up to $3000.00 on wages and then it stopped and the rate was like 3%
Here's a full breakdown of the social security tax rates over the years: http://www.milefoot.com/math/businessmath/taxes/fica.htm
Now that's an evolution of numbers! Watch those newest numbers change after we finish paying off what Corona has done although haven't seen a hike on the beer or the lime yet... :^
Of course, the other huge factor is the "corporate taxes" that the consumer pays. Last estimate I saw from a reliable source was that 18-22% of the retail price of consumer goods was taxes that the corporations collect and pass on to the govt. Whenever a politician talks about taxing corporations instead of individuals, they are playing a shell game. It still comes out of your wallet.
Quote from: ktmossman on February 05, 2021, 09:17:25 AM
Of course, the other huge factor is the "corporate taxes" that the consumer pays. Last estimate I saw from a reliable source was that 18-22% of the retail price of consumer goods was taxes that the corporations collect and pass on to the govt. Whenever a politician talks about taxing corporations instead of individuals, they are playing a shell game. It still comes out of your wallet.
Actually, the share of the tax burden carried by corporations in the US has dropped precipitously in the past few decades, leaving you and I to pick up the slack. Meanwhile the amount of compensation that the top few people in corporations receive has skyrocketed.
In 1952 corporate taxes accounted for 32% of federal revenue, but in 2013 it had dropped down to only 10%. I assume that in recent years it's dropped even further. Add to that the number of corporations receiving handouts from cities and states to entice them to relocate and the numbers get even worse for all of us having to carry the burden.
Here's some more information if anyone is interested in reading about how things have shifted over the years: https://americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-corporate-tax-rates/
Don't get me wrong - I'm all in favor of corporations making a decent profit and flourishing. I just don't want them to do so at the expense of those of us left to pay the bills after they've worked their magic.
Quote from: richard5933 on February 04, 2021, 02:20:11 PM
Compare the closet space in a house built in 1964 with one built today - the amount of space being built into homes to store all the needless crap we buy is astounding compared to back then. Hell, around here one of the fastest growing businesses seems to be self-storage facilities so that people will have a place to put all the new crap they bring home.
Wow, you are so right! I had to put up another whole building just to store my tools and stuff, and there isn't even enough spare room inside for the bus. Not sure I'd feel any richer if I didn't have all that though, since I'd have to pay someone else to work on stuff. Which means I'd have to get a job to pay them. Which means I wouldn't have free time anymore. Not sure that would make me feel richer.
Jim
Quote from: richard5933 on February 05, 2021, 09:27:27 AM
Actually, the share of the tax burden carried by corporations in the US has dropped precipitously in the past few decades, leaving you and I to pick up the slack. Meanwhile the amount of compensation that the top few people in corporations receive has skyrocketed.
In 1952 corporate taxes accounted for 32% of federal revenue, but in 2013 it had dropped down to only 10%. I assume that in recent years it's dropped even further. Add to that the number of corporations receiving handouts from cities and states to entice them to relocate and the numbers get even worse for all of us having to carry the burden.
Here's some more information if anyone is interested in reading about how things have shifted over the years: https://americansfortaxfairness.org/tax-fairness-briefing-booklet/fact-sheet-corporate-tax-rates/
Don't get me wrong - I'm all in favor of corporations making a decent profit and flourishing. I just don't want them to do so at the expense of those of us left to pay the bills after they've worked their magic.
No.. Corporations do not pay taxes AT ALL. They simply collect those taxes from individuals and pass them on to the government. If those taxes go up, the price of the product/service goes up. The alternative is that their profit decreases, which takes the money from the pockets of the owners (if privately owned) or from the shareholders (if publicly owned.) In any scenario, that money comes from individuals, in the final analysis.
my job in business was to collect taxes from people and pay it to the feds weather or not I made a dime and if I was late by one day they would hit me with a penalty ( $500 ) or more and that was not tax deductible . I think a lot of the times they put a lot of hard working people out of a job and by doing this all the other employees would be unemployed as well .
got to love politicians ( liars ) and taxes
dave
Quote from: ktmossman on February 05, 2021, 12:00:07 PM
No.. Corporations do not pay taxes AT ALL. They simply collect those taxes from individuals and pass them on to the government. If those taxes go up, the price of the product/service goes up. The alternative is that their profit decreases, which takes the money from the pockets of the owners (if privately owned) or from the shareholders (if publicly owned.) In any scenario, that money comes from individuals, in the final analysis.
Corporations are not natural beings. They exist only because we have passed laws which enable them to exist.
When a corporation pays taxes, you're correct that it has to come from somewhere. Historically, it came from the bottom line of the company which resulted in lower earnings for its shareholders. Your are also correct in saying that in recent years many of the corporations have chosen instead to pass those taxes on to the individual customers of the corporation rather than do it at the expense of the corporation or shareholders.
The corporations and shareholders pay taxes at lower rates than most wage earners and salaried workers. The average corporate tax rate recently is 21%, but we all know that many large companies actually pay $0 in income taxes. The capital gains tax paid by shareholders is only 15% for most, 20% for a few at the top. Contrast this to the average income tax rate for salaried workers and wage earners of 24%.
On top of all this, corporations have become accustomed to having states and cities carry large portions of their expenses for them - this is done through cash incentives for locating in a particular city/state, tax incentives, free infrastructure, etc. Don't think I've ever seen a city or state build a road to someone's property for free so they can build a new house, but I've sure seen lots of that going on for companies to build new HQ buildings recently. Same for sports stadiums and arenas - these are for-profit organizations but they seem to constantly hit up tax payers for help even though they want to return less and less to the communities. If these businesses can't compete on their own merits, I'm not sure that tax payers should have to foot the bill for them. Let them raise capital the way they used to through shareholders and bond sales.
Again, I have no problem with corporations being profitable. Where I find fault is when they take more than they give back, and when they stop helping to pay for their share of the infrastructure which enables them to exist.
Just my opinion, and I understand that not all will agree.
A corporation is a legal construct, the purpose of which is to redistribute wealth to the owners of the corp from the public at large, usually by providing a service and convincing that public that they need it. Structured carefully it can make those at the top hideously rich.
Jim
Corporations pays taxes most pay at 3 levels of government or more ,all the hype about Amazon if you read they paid around 170 million and deferred 900 million so they are on the hook for a billion dollars.Walmart paid almost 5 billion and Exxon paid over 5 billion I saw that on a stockholder statement. States, Counties and cities will exempt and some even pay a business to relocate in a area, Bullhead City pays DOT a very large grocery supplier every year for 10 years but the economic value for the area is supposed to be 10 times greater than the payout
You guys are hilarious, the only people who pay taxes are consumers / users , if you don't want to pay taxes stop doing both. But if everyone did that they'll tax your breathing, remember the the regiment tax it, regulate it, outlaw it, that's the structure- lol
"A corporation is a legal construct, the purpose of which is to redistribute wealth to the owners of the corp from the public at large"
And here I thought that its duty was to pay its shareholders.
We have all been blessed with bus ownership. The ability to more or less go and come as we see fit. This year has been challenging ! The tax and regulations we can complain about. WE all worked hard and earned our buses! I do believe WE are better off than most people in the world. You know I am happy where I am. Bob
Quote from: robertglines1 on February 05, 2021, 05:05:33 PM
We have all been blessed with bus ownership. The ability to more or less go and come as we see fit. This year has been challenging ! The tax and regulations we can complain about. WE all worked hard and earned our buses! I do believe WE are better off than most people in the world. You know I am happy where I am. Bob
Well said.
What Bob & Richard said... :^
Incorporation protects liability of psychotic and godless directors...
This conversation so far is amongst virgins...
Canadian border? My @$#...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
WOW, this thread sure took a left turn. Back to topic ... why would you even want to cross the border in the first place?
Forecast
Winnipeg, MB (Issued: Sunday February 07, 2021 at 16:00 CST)
Tonight
Clear. Wind up to 15 km/h. Low minus 37. Wind chill minus 34 this evening and minus 50 overnight. Frostbite in minutes.
Monday
Sunny. Wind becoming west 30 km/h near noon. High minus 26. Wind chill minus 50 in the morning and minus 40 in the afternoon. Frostbite in minutes. UV index 1 or low.
Monday night
Clear. Wind west 30 km/h. Low minus 30. Wind chill near minus 44. Frostbite in minutes.
Tuesday
Minus 50 in Canuck = -58F
I believe hell hath frozen over.
Quote from: Jim Eh. on February 07, 2021, 05:54:27 PMI believe hell hath frozen over.
Lot of stuff gonna get done in the next couple days. All that stuff where a guy has said "Yeah, that'll happen when ......" Its all happening now.
:^ :^
Quote from: bobofthenorth on February 07, 2021, 07:09:59 PM
Lot of stuff gonna get done in the next couple days. All that stuff where a guy has said "Yeah, that'll happen when ......" Its all happening now.
:^ :^
You don't have to cross the border into Canada to get weather like that. We're not quite as bad, but wind chill temps were about -20F to -30F this weekend with actual temps of -15F. Almost makes you okay with having no where to go.
Quote from: richard5933 on February 08, 2021, 03:56:24 AM
You don't have to cross the border into Canada to get weather like that.
Spoken like somebody who has never experienced -40. I'm sorry but the 15 degrees between -25 and -40 are a different matter altogether from the 15 degrees between -10 and -25. Its -37 here this morning with a stiff breeze blowing. I'm not sure what that translates to in wind chill but it turns electrical cords into something like rebar and makes your mitts so stiff you can barely bend them. Forget about gloves.
Quote from: bobofthenorth on February 08, 2021, 07:10:34 AM
Spoken like somebody who has never experienced -40. I'm sorry but the 15 degrees between -25 and -40 are a different matter altogether from the 15 degrees between -10 and -25. Its -37 here this morning with a stiff breeze blowing. I'm not sure what that translates to in wind chill but it turns electrical cords into something like rebar and makes your mitts so stiff you can barely bend them. Forget about gloves.
Like I said, we're close but not quite where you are. But it's still cold.
We have had periods of -30F or colder, but not nearly for as long as you guys. You're correct - there's a tremendous difference between -15 and -30 and it's amazing how things stop working like you think they should at a certain point.
The other night I was awoken from a dead sleep by what sounded like a gun shot. It was the house banging and popping as the temps got to below certain point and started contracting. Forgot how loud it can be. There are usually reports of gun shots and explosions made to the sheriff when the freeze quakes happen, and at least a few times in the worst of winter major roads close for a few days as the pavement lifts and buckles when the frost gets deep enough.
It's all enough for me and reason to not venture much further north this time of year.
You guys are making me shiver here in Florida!
When we met our awesome Ohio next door neighbors in Tok Alaska when we purchased that parcel, & since talking to the local town folk - they actually quit doing things outside when temps get to -30 to -40F but have been known to go as deep as -68F. We do have a special respect for people enjoying a living in that kind of weather... Hang in there there, there's 2 to 6 minutes a day being added to warm things up eventually. Geese!
We were freezing in Arizona too Dan this morning at 43 degree, Burrrrrrrr. and only up to 77 today maybe 79. Can take off the sweats in the afternoons. :^
We have frost right now Dave.
Still have some snow on the ground too.
the best part of living way up north is now that we have had a lot of cold and snow the roads are as flat as a pool table best they have ever been . because of all the snow that is on them , the snow plows act like groomers ... smoooooooooth
to bad the government puts on 1/2 load limits on roads about march 1st until may 24th ish so not much building can be started because of the original crappy road construction
dave
Quote from: sledhead on February 08, 2021, 08:38:38 AM
the best part of living way up north is now that we have had a lot of cold and snow the roads are as flat as a pool table best they have ever been . because of all the snow that is on them , the snow plows act like groomers ... smoooooooooth
to bad the government puts on 1/2 load limits on roads about march 1st until may 24th ish so not much building can be started because of the original crappy road construction
dave
Yeah - it's not spring time till the asphalt and gravel trucks start rolling.
Quote from: sledhead on February 08, 2021, 08:38:38 AM
the best part of living way up north is now that we have had a lot of cold and snow the roads are as flat as a pool table best they have ever been . because of all the snow that is on them , the snow plows act like groomers ... smoooooooooth
to bad the government puts on 1/2 load limits on roads about march 1st until may 24th ish so not much building can be started because of the original crappy road construction
dave
I hand it to you folks. Pretty creative finding something positive about driving on roads at -30. lol
It's all that damned global warming that's to blame.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on February 08, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
It's all that damned global warming that's to blame.
Jim
Can't speak for the Canadian side of things, but for us this winter (and the previous decade or so worth of winters) has been much more mild than things were historically.
I talk to people who've lived in Wisconsin their whole life who tell me of much more snow, much more cold, and much more ice on the lakes. Things are not 'normal.'
"I talk to people who've lived in Wisconsin their whole life who tell me of much more snow, much more cold, and much more ice on the lakes. Things are not 'normal.'"
My MIL, (who died 5 years ago at 99) was a prairie farmer so was keenly aware of the weather.
She said that globull warming was a crock of sh#t. There was nothing now weather wise that she hadn't seen before.
Quote from: Fred Mc on February 08, 2021, 03:09:33 PM
"I talk to people who've lived in Wisconsin their whole life who tell me of much more snow, much more cold, and much more ice on the lakes. Things are not 'normal.'"
My MIL, (who died 5 years ago at 99) was a prairie farmer so was keenly aware of the weather.
She said that globull warming was a crock of sh#t. There was nothing now weather wise that she hadn't seen before.
Not trying to get in a pissing match about the weather and I have no reason to doubt that your MIL experienced things exactly how she said she did. Not every location in the country is experiencing the same thing so hearing what she said isn't surprising.
However, statistics related to weather reporting are statistics. Numbers are numbers. Math is math. You can make of it what you want, but it doesn't change the statistics, the numbers, or the math.
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure
Quote from: 6805eagleguy on February 08, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
Figures don't lie, but liars can figure
Good One Mason :^ :^ :^ :^
Quote from: richard5933 on February 08, 2021, 03:19:34 PM
However, statistics related to weather reporting are statistics. Numbers are numbers. Math is math. You can make of it what you want, but it doesn't change the statistics, the numbers, or the math.
But selecting raw data and defining a statistic is where the lies are. You can tell any story you want using numbers. It's all in how objective, representative, academically and professionally accepted, and meaningful they really are.
I just love how this post sails the wind.
Heck it's got me eating all my pop corn!
That's not a complaint so please carry on! :^
Quote from: windtrader on February 08, 2021, 07:42:45 PM
But selecting raw data and defining a statistic is where the lies are. You can tell any story you want using numbers. It's all in how objective, representative, academically and professionally accepted, and meaningful they really are.
I suppose this is where choosing a reliable interpreter of the data becomes important. True that raw data can be interpreted in various ways or attributed to various causes. Some parts of the data set are more difficult to interpret, others not so much.
Regardless of what causation one chooses to connect to particular aspects of the data, the specific data itself (i.e. temperature measurements) should be incontrovertible.
Theories posited trying to explain the data have certainly evolved over the years, but the data itself is still the data. We've been measuring ambient temperature with reliable accuracy for quite some time now.
The earth changes if you believe in theories hasn't the earth had 5 ice ages ? I remember that from school,for me I could live with San Diego's weather the year around
Quote from: luvrbus on February 09, 2021, 05:14:55 AM
The earth changes if you believe in theories hasn't the earth had 5 ice ages ? I remember that from school,for me I could live with San Diego's weather the year around
It certainly does change. Weather patterns and climate have changed over time. It's possible in modern times to directly track the changes, and for historical (pre-temperature measurement) the information is obtained from other evidence.
Seems like the real controversy is not whether or not climate changes, it's whether or not life on the planet has any bearing on these changes.
Quote from: richard5933 on February 09, 2021, 05:53:45 AM
It certainly does change. Weather patterns and climate have changed over time. It's possible in modern times to directly track the changes, and for historical (pre-temperature measurement) the information is obtained from other evidence.
Seems like the real controversy is not whether or not climate changes, it's whether or not life on the planet has any bearing on these changes.
I can remember growing up in Houston we would ice skate on the ponds when Houston grew with people and more housing, with more concrete hiways that went away
Quote from: luvrbus on February 09, 2021, 06:13:32 AM
I can remember growing up in Houston we would ice skate on the ponds when Houston grew with people and more housing, with more concrete hiways that went away
Ice skating on the ponds in Houston?? Come on man. ;D
Quote from: luvrbus on February 09, 2021, 05:14:55 AM
The earth changes if you believe in theories hasn't the earth had 5 ice ages ? I remember that from school,for me I could live with San Diego's weather the year around
Clifford you went to school during the ice age, wow?
Quote from: Dave5Cs on February 09, 2021, 07:04:32 AM
Clifford you went to school during the ice age, wow?
Hey Dave,
Cliff didn't get as smart as He is going through 1 Ice Age. Took a few. ;D
Quote from: muldoonman on February 09, 2021, 06:54:36 AM
Ice skating on the ponds in Houston?? Come on man. ;D
Yep in the 50's we would get snow in Houston too !!! and plenty of ice when what people would call a blue northern cold front temps would drop way below freezing in 2 hours from 70*to the teens, my grand daughter in Houston says they are forecast for freezing rain and snow in few days.I have seen a lot of teens and down to 10* before but never saw the 5* grand dad will tell ne about
Quote from: luvrbus on February 09, 2021, 07:33:10 AM
Yep in the 50's we would get snow in Houston too !!! and plenty of ice when what people would call a blue northern cold front temps would drop way below freezing in 2 hours from 70*to the teens, my grand daughter in Houston says they are forecast for freezing rain and snow in few days.I have seen a lot of teens and down to 10* before but never saw the 5* grand dad will tell ne about
My lovely 70 year old spouse just confirmed your weather update and History. She was born and raised up there in the 50's. Said it got cold at times. We are 230 miles northwest of there now. Kingsland Tx. ;D
99.843% of statistics are made up on the spot.
When I was a lad we had to walk through 20 ft snowdrifts for 5 miles all uphill both ways every day for school. Even in the summer.
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on February 09, 2021, 09:58:17 AM
99.843% of statistics are made up on the spot.
When I was a lad we had to walk through 20 ft snowdrifts for 5 miles all uphill both ways every day for school. Even in the summer.
Jim
Just 20 ft? Only 5 miles?
Pretty extreme for southern West Virginia.
Jim
Quote from: richard5933 on February 09, 2021, 05:53:45 AM
It certainly does change. Weather patterns and climate have changed over time. It's possible in modern times to directly track the changes, and for historical (pre-temperature measurement) the information is obtained from other evidence.
Seems like the real controversy is not whether or not climate changes, it's whether or not life on the planet has any bearing on these changes.
Ah what is the final result of the glacier letting go in India as the result of climate change?
Is it a dinosaur level event, nope but not something we thought would happen 20-30 years ago. Problem is that it just creeps up on us.
I had a long chat with one of my sons tonight. He's got a fleet of trucks that haul dangerous goods in AB/SK. He's been using the same hydraulic oil for 5 or 6 years now but discovered this week that it has a pour point of -32. I guess up until now they got lucky. He sent me some pictures on Sunday of something that looked like a wax ball. I thought maybe he had an oil/water emulsion going on but its just the cold. The first trucks affected were working north of Edmonton so in the deepest part of the current deep freeze. One thing about winter in Canada - it'll find the weak point in your equipment real quick.
Quote from: dtcerrato on February 08, 2021, 08:15:25 PM
I just love how this post sails the wind.
Heck it's got me eating all my pop corn!
That's not a complaint so please carry on! :^
I just knew this thread was gonna reach 200 posts.
Just have many posters that have nothing to otherwise do. Or feel like doing. Weather related maybe? Hey, surprise the wife and drag out the vacuum cleaner.
Sure plays hell with search function LOL I did learn 1.3 billion people were dumber than a stump though
Quote from: luvrbus on February 10, 2021, 05:30:38 AM
I did learn 1.3 billion people were dumber than a stump though
That was news? Probably under reported. It's no wonder the politicos think they can take over the world.
So how about the mini ice age that we're supposedly overdue for? Do you think that it's just possible that all this heat we are generating is holding that one off?
Jim
Quote from: Jim Blackwood on February 10, 2021, 08:33:28 AM
That was news? Probably under reported. It's no wonder the politicos think they can take over the world.
So how about the mini ice age that we're supposedly overdue for? Do you think that it's just possible that all this heat we are generating is holding that one off?
Jim
LOL it does here in Mohave Valley Az