How much are you guys spending for service,I am changing all the fulids,filters and antifreeze on my Country Coach lol and I am going to need a loan 2 quotes from 4k to $4500.00 including the Onan
Sounds really high, even when compared to what I pay at Interstate Power Systems.
Two invoices for comparison:
1) Oil change w/filter, fuel filters, chassis lube, crankcase breather service, tune-up: $1,814
2) R/R coolant recirculating pump, drain/test/refill cooling system: $587
Those invoices obviously included more than you're talking about, and the total still comes in far below what you're talking about. There may be a few dollars of other material costs that were included elsewhere on the invoices, but they would only add another few hundred.
Sounds like you need to find another shop to provide a quote.
Richard I have a ISX 600 it takes 15 gals of oil with the reserve tank,the B500 uses Transyd,the Hyd fan takes 20 gals with 3. filters, the Cummins antifreeze is not cheap for 18 gals.I am pricing it out but it is going to cost even if I do it
Oil was included in mine. Coolant was not.
Even if you add the cost of both, still sounds like they plan on spending a long time doing these things. Can you access the "book" for your chassis and see what those service items normally call for?
Quote from: richard5933 on December 21, 2019, 07:43:26 AM
Oil was included in mine. Coolant was not.
Even if you add the cost of both, still sounds like they plan on spending a long time doing these things. Can you access the "book" for your chassis and see what those service items normally call for?
I already have ,the transmission does not call for service right now but I am going to do it while I am doing it,8 gals of Transyd is expensive ,I kinda miss my Eagle now with the 8v92 and 740
Gee, I guess this would be a bad time to brag about the $75 barrel of Shell 15-40 oil I bought at an estate auction. Covers both the Series 60 & the 741. It sure is rough being cheap. ::)
You got to pay to play Clifford!
Merry Christmas to you and Sonja.
I'll see you in January.
I'll bring honey.
JC
Quote from: DoubleEagle on December 21, 2019, 08:26:34 AM
Gee, I guess this would be a bad time to brag about the $75 barrel of Shell 15-40 oil I bought at an estate auction. Covers both the Series 60 & the 741. It sure is rough being cheap. ::)
Nothing wrong with what I say conservative not cheap :-* Walter
Quote from: lostagain on December 21, 2019, 08:30:13 AM
You got to pay to play Clifford!
Merry Christmas to you and Sonja.
I'll see you in January.
I'll bring honey.
Looking forward to your visit JC and the good Canadian honey
JC
Presently at "Q" for the night at Plamosa road,, will fuel at the Chevron east of town,, stop for breakfast at "Bad Boys" and head for Yuma for two weeks..>>>Dan
Try the Arco east of town just down the road from Chevron is lees expensive and also easier in and out.
Ed,, each time I have checked,, that isn't the case,,and I can get LP at Chevron,,Thanks.>>>Dan
I'd comment but my eyes are watering too bad.😭
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 21, 2019, 02:14:35 PM
I'd comment but my eyes are watering too bad.😭
Dan West and Ed must just got their nap over with :D
Dan you can get cheap LP at the hardware store just north of the corner station north of the 10 freeway on the west side of the street on 95.
Clifford I didn't know you could use Honey in your transmission cool. But that might Bee a Bear though!!! ;)
"I'll bring honey."
I'm sure you made a simple spelling mistake here.After Cliffords tale of woe I'm sure you meant"money" ;D ;D ;D
I don't know! When I see the words bears & bees I think honey! ::)
Has anybody ever switched back from synthetic to regular engine oil,my Cummins has Mobil Delvac ESP 5/40 now and the miles we drive I don't know if it is worth the price or not @ $38.00 a gal plus you are buying 5 quarts either
I run 5w40 synthetic in the cat . the 1st year I change out the filter and top up the oil then on the 2nd year I change the oil and filter . most years I only put on about 6-8 k miles on it so not that many miles between changes and the oil is still golden at the time of the oil change
I wait until the synthetic is on sale and buy 3 x 5 gal. pails . this way it cost me less in the end if I were to change it every year with normal oil
I send in a oil sample on each filter change and it has come back as still good
I could never do this on the 6v92 as the oil was always black after a week of use
dave
I cannot find the Mobil Delvac on sale and with my emissions I am sorta of afraid to change,then again over 600 bucks for a oil change doesn't make much sense
I looked up the B500 Allison and it was about a Van Hool but same tranny. It said Dextron III used to use and it all so said that you could use anything newer as in Dextron VI or synthetic but not 4 or 5. I changed from Dextron II to Dextron VI (which is a synthetic) in Bus and Buick 2002 Century. It was only $19.00 on Amazon :D
It said you can always use a newer version but not an older one. BUT Note below,
Another MCI article said
Also note that effective January 2010, per Allison Service Tip 1099N, Allison no longer authorizes the use of DEXRON® III or IV in any of its transmissions.
https://www.abc-companies.com/console/storage/documents/146530505599818.pdf
Most busnuts have no need to change the auto tranny juice and filter but once, to zero the maintenance file on that. Very few of us do enough mileage in a decade to come close to any schedule.
Using synthetic engine oil, i'll be same as sledhead, mileage based. Short changing any oil is unneccesrily expensive. There's lots of stuff to spend money on a bus...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mob-122271-1/overview/
I am going to change all the fluids and be done with it,and guess I will bite the bullet and use all synthetic, the B500 has Trasynd ,the fan pump and motor has a CAT synthetic hyd oil and I am going back with the Delvac for the engine but will wait till we get back from New Orleans since it only has 12,000 miles on the oil and calls for a 25,000 mile oil change.I'll know more when my samples come back from CAT I can save around 800 to a 1000 doing it my self but hate to try a dispose of 40+ gals of oil and 25 gals of antifreeze ,lol I paid to much for this thing not to worry a little and would cry if something happen to my ISX 600 Cummins
Take a sample when you get back. Maybe it won't need changing yet and you can take your time and look for a sale.
Quote from: chessie4905 on December 22, 2019, 11:43:00 AM
Take a sample when you get back. Maybe it won't need changing yet and you can take your time and look for a sale.
Van found me sale I already ordered it from Summit,crazy oil is cheaper buying it in gals jugs and not 5 gal pails
I really like Amsoil Torque Drive,,, replaces Transynd,,,and cheaper..>>>Dan
I use Mobil Delvac and get it when needed at my local WallMart store..>>>Dan
Cliff,
I have switched from Mobil synthetic to Rotella 15/40 in a Series 60. It ran the syn for the first 150k of it's life, and I have put 75k on the engine running the Rotella. It does not use a quart in 10k miles.
I personally think syn is overkill in a high oil capacity diesel unless you are going to sample it and run for longer than the recommended change intervals.
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Quote from: RichardEntrekin on December 24, 2019, 06:20:05 AM
Cliff,
I have switched from Mobil synthetic to Rotella 15/40 in a Series 60. It ran the syn for the first 150k of it's life, and I have put 75k on the engine running the Rotella. It does not use a quart in 10k miles.
I personally think syn is overkill in a high oil capacity diesel unless you are going to sample it and run for longer than the recommended change intervals.
I am leaning the same way Richard after speaking with Cummins ,the engine came from the factory with 15/40 Valvoline and 12,000 mile oil changes the manager told me not many of ISX owners use the 5/40 synthetic of any brand and they (Cummins) don't use it either
Mobil used to advertise series 60 going 1 million miles before overhaul using Delvac 1300 super 15w40.
One justification for a 5-40 synthetic is better cranking ability in cold weather, but if you are in the hot south or west, that virtue does not have much value. For the Allison, any TES 295 spec oil will be good enough, and will usually be cheaper than Transynd. There are Allison bulletins that recommend TES 295 fluid over the older Dexron's, and 15-40 motor oil, even for the HT 740. 15-40 oil used to be recommended for severe service situations, like garbage trucks, I wonder why they changed their mind about that. For our kind of use, which fluid we use might not make a noticeable difference.
Allision doesn't support the old 700,600 or 500 series transmission anylonger and haven't in years, you cannot even buy Allison parts only after market stuff,they are just trying to sell Transyd it doesn't make the 700 series last anylonger,I have rebuilt transmmisson that used Transyd and with 15/40 both had the same wear with the same miles
Allison won't warranty a new transmission that does not run Transynd so they have operators by the balls. For a busnut to run it is crazy. Extending an oil change interval when you don't put on any miles does not make sense. ATF is just as good whether electronic or hydraulic trans based on my fleet experience and private experience.
Quote from: Boomer on December 28, 2019, 11:33:56 AM
Allison won't warranty a new transmission that does not run Transynd so they have operators by the balls. For a busnut to run it is crazy. Extending an oil change interval when you don't put on any miles does not make sense. ATF is just as good whether electronic or hydraulic trans based on my fleet experience and private experience.
This is from a Prevost manual about oil specs in the B500 from 1997 to prove your point Mark
Another point on changing to Transynd is that it takes 3 oil changes @ 25K miles ea to get up to the 50K mile service level with Transynd. This is to flush out all the old oil. Makes zero sense with motorhomers who only run 8-10K miles per year. I'll never forget paying $1,500 for my first barrel of Transynd back in 1999, that frosted me, but had to for the Allison warranty. Wonder what a barrel costs now.
The mileage level is up from the 50.000 miles now Boomer, I won't mention names but a former Allison employee at a FMCA convention told people they could use it and never worry about it for 350,000 miles I just shook my head and walked off.I found these specs for the Allison 4000 in a 2007 model I going with a different fluid the specs are from Allison and I live where it is warm