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Title: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: oltrunt on November 21, 2018, 08:12:45 PM
I'd like to have a torque multiplier wrench so I could change my own tires (350 ft lb range).  I'm finding prices from $35 to$5000!?!  What am I looking at? Any experience would be appreciated.  Thanks, Jack
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: DoubleEagle on November 21, 2018, 08:41:37 PM
The search phrase you should use should be something like "Torque Multiplier Lug Wrench Tool". On eBay, there will be many, and most of them are made in China. I bought one a few years ago on eBay from someone (I can't find the listing in my history) who claimed that he sold a lot of them, and was able to specify changes in the design from the source. Anyway, it works, and it can get off super tight nuts that are torqued over 500 lbs. Look for a seller that provides a money back guarantee, or a warranty. Some do not state anything, some are 30 days to two years. I think I paid around $80, and I have not broken it yet, but I am trying.  ::)
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: sixtyseven on November 22, 2018, 12:00:55 AM
Hey Jack,  The choices are overwhelming !  To figure out ratio you want, take the torque you want to apply and divide by a comfortable # to run your torque wrench at.    e.g.  350 / 116 = 3.02   Then get a ratio of 3 aka 3:1 aka 3x. If you get one that's a lot higher like 8x you will waste a lot of time ratcheting.   I have a 4x ratio and it can torque mine 500# easily.   Also make sure you have a good accurate torque wrench to run it with or you may as well just use a big ratchet and a cheater.   
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: luvrbus on November 22, 2018, 01:00:37 AM
My multiplier is a 13:1 Proto it is different than the ones made for wheels lol I never used it much till I started getting older,it cost me $ 600.00 about 40 years ago and now the $50.00 multipliers have a better ratio   
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: chessie4905 on November 22, 2018, 04:17:37 AM
With high power battery impact wrenches now available, is there any point of messing with one of these any more?
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: Ed Hackenbruch on November 22, 2018, 04:42:40 AM
Well, with my 12x1 i am able to torque each wheel to within 2 lbs of each other.
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: luvrbus on November 22, 2018, 07:25:49 AM
I wonder what the wheels torque at on that little guy it looks like a 1 ton chassis, probably less than 200 lbs a multiplier maybe a waste   
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: lostagain on November 22, 2018, 07:48:39 AM
I had a multiplier that broke trying to remove the nuts off my Pete. They had been there a long time, and I suspect overtorqued by the last guy. I never replaced it, because, like mentioned above, a good battery impact nowadays works really well. Also a good air gun does too. I have a AirCat 1150 that removes the nuts off the bus (450 lb/ft) really easy. Oh, and brute force and ignorance with a long bar works too...

JC
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: luvrbus on November 22, 2018, 08:08:16 AM
Any one looking for the battery impact Tractor Supply has the Dewalt on sale for $169.00 Friday the battery and charger are included
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: Geoff on November 22, 2018, 09:58:58 AM
I've had a 4x1 torque multiplier for 25 years.  USA ""The X-4 Corp." Model LW-750.  Around $100 back then.

I just looked on Amazon, $268+
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: oltrunt on November 22, 2018, 11:42:49 AM
I probably should go with a multiplier---jumping up and down on a 6 ft extension  (drive shaft) on my 3/4" breaker bar didn't budge the 41 mm lug nuts.  Isuzu recommends 330
ft lb on the lug nuts which have a huge surface contact area which may explain why they are so hard to remove.  Am I thinking right that a 4:1 ratio multiplier coupled with my torque wrench set at 100 ft lb and reduced 15% for mechanical loss should about do the trick?  Jack 
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: DoubleEagle on November 22, 2018, 11:59:15 AM
I would allow something for the rust factor, it can make a tremendous difference (at least out East).
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: lvmci on November 22, 2018, 01:56:14 PM
Hi Jack, just got this for emergencies, tom...
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: kyle4501 on November 22, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Ebay #382405314353 looks similar the one I bought - mine is yellow & is a 78:1 ratio.

Mine is an incredibly tough unit. I have used it to remove rusted on lug nuts that were so tight I thought I was going to flip the bus over.
I have also used it with a regular cordless drill to back off nuts that were badly rusted on.

Same setup to pull new studs in without causing any damage to the nut or stud or the ball thrust bearing.

Considering the abuse I have put mine thru & the low cost, I wouldn't worry about the warranty.  ;)

However, If you use an impact driver on it, I'm sure it will die an early death!


BTW, I use a 600# capacity torque wrench set on 425 ish to put the nuts on (450 ish for the inner).
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: ol713 on November 22, 2018, 03:23:56 PM
Quote from: lvmci on November 22, 2018, 01:56:14 PM
Hi Jack, just got this for emergencies, tom...

   That looks like the one I got off of Ebay. Priced right when needed.  I like to use a long
   bar and socket.  If I put the nuts on, I know I can get them off..
                                                         Merle.

Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: dtcerrato on November 22, 2018, 07:03:58 PM
I love my 3/4" drive Chicago Pneumatic impact gun but we still carry the 1-1/4" X 7' pipe cheater. For the bigger stuff like the 2-1/2" nut on the transmission output shaft we use our 4 to 1 multiplier (3/4'' in, 1'' out) & 650 LB torque wrench. That nut being 1400 ft. lbs. still fights back with the need for 350 ft. lbs. at the torque wrench! :o
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: blue_goose on November 23, 2018, 06:48:59 AM
Quote from: luvrbus on November 22, 2018, 08:08:16 AM
Any one looking for the battery impact Tractor Supply has the Dewalt on sale for $169.00 Friday the battery and charger are included
Thanks for the info Cliff, all ready picked up one today, been looking for it on sale.
Jack
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: Bill Gerrie on November 23, 2018, 07:00:36 AM
Check this one out. Pricey but 1400 ft lbs for a cordless.
https://shoptoolreviews.com/automotive/impact-wrenches/new-milwaukee-m18-fuel-impact-wrench/29989/
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: Oonrahnjay on November 23, 2018, 07:13:06 AM
Quote from: Bill Gerrie on November 23, 2018, 07:00:36 AMCheck this one out. Pricey but 1400 ft lbs for a cordless. https://shoptoolreviews.com/automotive/impact-wrenches/new-milwaukee-m18-fuel-impact-wrench/29989/

     In my experience, "New Milwaukee" has been (or at least was - don't know in detail recently) one of the most expensive tool vendors and one of the suppliers of the highest-quality, most useful tools.  I hope that the "cheap-rate" competition stuff hasn't driven them to compromise.
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: Jim Blackwood on November 23, 2018, 09:37:11 AM
I've bought several of their new cordless tools and have been very happy with them, although I think DeWalt might have them beat on their lighting at the tool's working end.

Jim
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: Dave5Cs on November 23, 2018, 03:10:34 PM
Check Craiglist for new Milwaukee tools. I have bought drill etc for pennies on the dollar. Some people go to HD and buy a kit with a lot of tools and some they don't need then sell off the others for cheap brand new without batteries most times but I already have 3 batteries so if I can get the drill like I got for 70.00 that was priced for 160.00 18 fuel drill I buy it. Now waiting for the impact to come up also got the Sawzall for 50.00 because the guy said he got two tools on sale which I saw the ad for 140.00 for sawzall and saw and he figured he got the saw for free and then sold the sawzall to me for 70.00 because he had no need for it. Cool.
Title: Re: Torque multiplying wrenches
Post by: chessie4905 on November 24, 2018, 12:24:33 PM
Here's a good you tube video on the Milwaukee fuel tools in 1/2 and 3/4.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6JmPHbmAQSU