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Title: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: belfert on May 24, 2018, 05:25:02 AM
I had a wheel swapped at a tire shop a few weeks ago just before my trip.

During a routine walk around we noticed loose lug nuts on that wheel.  It turns out every lug nut was loose.  I carry a torque wrench for wheels so I tightened them properly.  It was lucky the wheel didn't come off.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: brmax on May 24, 2018, 05:34:54 AM
It's a thing no body wants to find for sure, and a Good eye! noticing it before a bigger issue.



Good day

Floyd
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: buswarrior on May 24, 2018, 07:07:00 AM
Well spotted!

And some people wonder why a busnut should check things every day...

Another vote for doing your own torquing.

Can't trust anyone to do anything right anymore, if we ever could...

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: richard5933 on May 24, 2018, 07:26:06 AM
Recommendation for a torque wrench which will do the job and can be carried with?
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: neoneddy on May 24, 2018, 09:09:23 AM
Uhh.. being that we're close to each other... which shop?... DM me if you don't want to out them.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: Branderson on May 24, 2018, 10:10:48 AM
man I would be hot if that happened to me.  Whoever did that at the shop literally put you, your family, and other lives at serious risk. 
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: belfert on May 24, 2018, 11:16:55 AM
Pomp's Tire in Lino Lakes.  I thought remember him using a torque wrench.

I have a Tireman torque wrench.  Under $100 from a pawn shop and another $60 to have it tested.  It is three to four feet long.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: neoneddy on May 24, 2018, 11:19:28 AM
I'm thinking of getting the this torque multiplier https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PFORAS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3EM8PNXHQ03J5&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015PFORAS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3EM8PNXHQ03J5&psc=1)    Then it works in reverse as well, you can use a normal torque wrench on it with the right calculation.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: buswarrior on May 24, 2018, 11:58:35 AM
Tire iron, pipe extension, your weight and distance out on the pipe.

Why spend money?

My 235 lbs about 30 inches out from the socket does the job.

Jack to use as an adjustable prop for the socket extension.

Torque wrench needs to be calibrated periodically, $60 as belfert has noted, and stored properly.

Pipe/socket/extension and jack can be carelessly tossed into a bay, and have other uses.

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior



Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: DominicM on May 24, 2018, 12:23:38 PM
I had an ex-brother in law once help me change a tire. the next day when we were hauling our water, yes we had to haul water to the house to fill the sistern, the tire fell off and the rear or the truck dropped. I looked over and asked what the *&*? You put the tire back on didn't you tighten it. 

His replay was priceless.  "Im an idiot, why would you trust me with anything."

Lesson learned. I TRUST NO ONE. No offense to anyone but I learned my lesson.  I check everything anyone does if I am putting my life, or name on the line for it.

Dominic.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: chessie4905 on May 24, 2018, 01:00:41 PM
Buswarrior, you need a scale....do you tighten them before or after supper. Lol
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: Jim Eh. on May 24, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
Looks like you have to drop 35 lbs   ... 235 x 2.5 =   587.5 ft lbs torque.

Just sayin'

;)
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: ol713 on May 24, 2018, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: buswarrior on May 24, 2018, 11:58:35 AM
Tire iron, pipe extension, your weight and distance out on the pipe.

Why spend money?

My 235 lbs about 30 inches out from the socket does the job.

Jack to use as an adjustable prop for the socket extension.

Torque wrench needs to be calibrated periodically, $60 as belfert has noted, and stored properly.

Pipe/socket/extension and jack can be carelessly tossed into a bay, and have other uses.





That's the way I do it.  I believe that if I put the tire on, I can get off when
sitting along side the road.
                                        Merle.
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior




Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: windtrader on May 24, 2018, 05:38:38 PM
Quote from: buswarrior on May 24, 2018, 11:58:35 AM
Tire iron, pipe extension, your weight and distance out on the pipe.

Why spend money?

My 235 lbs about 30 inches out from the socket does the job.

Jack to use as an adjustable prop for the socket extension.

Torque wrench needs to be calibrated periodically, $60 as belfert has noted, and stored properly.

Pipe/socket/extension and jack can be carelessly tossed into a bay, and have other uses.

Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Certainly, the most practical, common sense, accurate, cost-effective, and failproof option. Make sure all the lug nuts are checked and set once using this method before heading out. That way, you'll be far more sure to get the nut off if required at a later time.

Making this work for people of different weights simply involves marking the extension bar for a few different weights. It's a simple calc to determine where to place the marks.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: Iceni John on May 24, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
Brian, thank you for posting this thread.   I checked my wheels this evening, and guess what  -  the wheel whose tire was replaced a year or so ago by a local commercial tire dealer had a few nuts that snugged down a tiny bit more.   The other wheels were all OK.   I just bounced my 170 lbs on the end of my 40" breaker bar to give me about 500 lb/ft.   I'm going this weekend to the tenth Buses Gone Wild shindig for Crownaholics and other similarly afflicted busnuts, so I'm glad I checked now.

John   
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: solardude on May 24, 2018, 08:59:57 PM
This is surprising as most of the time it seems the bolts are too tight... I see almost all commercial buses have indicators on the lug nuts now. Those would be nice to have. Does anyone know where to get them?

Good thinking on the double check/ walk around!

SD
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: sledhead on May 25, 2018, 04:45:54 AM
this is the wrench I have . it is 48 " long and works in forward and in reverse . I made a stand out of some 3/4 " plywood to support the extension at the head of the wrench .

works great

https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/3-4-in-dr-click-type-torque-wrench/A-p8654022e;jsessionid=LZ7l5DwDT0d9bcJ0gFHa46-p.pal-prod-com3 (https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/3-4-in-dr-click-type-torque-wrench/A-p8654022e;jsessionid=LZ7l5DwDT0d9bcJ0gFHa46-p.pal-prod-com3)   

it was on sale for $199.00 when I got it

dave
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: belfert on May 25, 2018, 07:05:18 AM
Quote from: Iceni John on May 24, 2018, 08:13:21 PM
Brian, thank you for posting this thread.   I checked my wheels this evening, and guess what  -  the wheel whose tire was replaced a year or so ago by a local commercial tire dealer had a few nuts that snugged down a tiny bit more.   The other wheels were all OK.   I just bounced my 170 lbs on the end of my 40" breaker bar to give me about 500 lb/ft.   I'm going this weekend to the tenth Buses Gone Wild shindig for Crownaholics and other similarly afflicted busnuts, so I'm glad I checked now.

Mine were not just a little loose.  Some of them were loose enough to spin by hand and they required a number of turns just to get them finger tight.
Title: Re: Almost lost a wheel
Post by: Fred Mc on May 25, 2018, 07:40:39 PM
A number of years ago I actually had both left side duals come off at highway speed.  @ wheel nuts were broken.It was an iterfesting ride.

Earlier this spring I had all 4 rear tires replaced and the tire shop told me to drive it for a few days and bring it back for re-torquing. When I brought it back I didn't even have to shut off the engine.2 guys came our and re -torqued everything.Took about 5 minutes.