I'm switching out my MCI 102A3 to aluminum for all the outer wheels (keeping the steel on the inside drive) and I'm having a heck of a time finding replacements.
The shop says they need to pull the wheels to get a sample stud, but that leaves us off the road for a few days or more, depending.
I've got the MCI part numbers for the studs for steel wheels, but when I take them to a parts shop they can't lookup any of the specs (in order to figure out what studs I need for the aluminums), does anyone know where I can find these spec? (Or, even better, the part numbers for the aluminum studs?)
I have:
Front: 15C-2-35, 15C-2-36
Drive: 15J-3-18, 15J-3-5
Or? 15J-3-35, 15J-3-38
Tag: 15R-2-11, 15R-2-12
Just call Luke he has those n stock I never could find the Mertior studs on the internet,set down before pricing those, it will give you a heart attack at almost 200 bucks a wheel from Luke,MCI quoted me $38.00 per stud FWIW
Are you talking about US Coach? Because he's currently out of stock.
Call Mohawk. They have them and will know the sizes. They were the most reasonably priced last year when I was looking.
https://www.mohawkmfg.com/ (https://www.mohawkmfg.com/)
JC
Whomever I talked to at Mohawk couldn't find the number and is calling back Monday. The price they quoted was $21.25 for the steer, as opposed to $19.03 at US Coach.
I can't help but think that if I could find the dimensions on either the steel *or* the aluminum studs I could figure out what studs to order from a truck parts shop and save a heck of a lot of money. Does anyone have some studs lying around?
And US Coach claims the steer and tag are the same stud, though the MCI Parts catalog gives them different part numbers, is that just MCI being ridiculous?
The steers and the tag are the same studs at least on my DL3 they were
Call C&J Bus Repair (cjbusrepair.com). They may well have them in stock.
Here is the Metior numbers for the standard stud
20-305 for the left
20-306 for the right, that is the size and length
Here is Prevost parts number which are the same as MCI for the longer studs but they were not any cheaper
RH -610117
LH--610116
If you peruse the pdf Euclid catalog in the wheel stud section, they list pictures of the studs and all dimensions. Maybe some interchange numbers also. BTW, all their studs are listed as grade 8.
https://www.meritor.com/productsandservices/aftermarket/northamerica/euclid/naeuclid_wheelends.aspx (https://www.meritor.com/productsandservices/aftermarket/northamerica/euclid/naeuclid_wheelends.aspx)
Quote from: luvrbus on April 20, 2018, 05:34:33 PM
Here is the Metior numbers for the standard stud
20-305 for the left
20-306 for the right, that is the size and length
What is Metior? Is that something I can lookup at a parts supply store? Or are you talking about Meritor as Dave5C posted?
Quote from: chessie4905
If you peruse the pdf Euclid catalog in the wheel stud section, they list pictures of the studs and all dimensions
Where is this pdf catalog (I didn't see a link in Dave5Cs post)?
I've seen a few PDF catalogs online showing plenty of studs, but how do I find the ones that fit an MCI102A3?
Quote from: Dave5Cs
https://www.meritor.com/productsandservices/aftermarket/northamerica/euclid/naeuclid_wheelends.aspx (https://www.meritor.com/productsandservices/aftermarket/northamerica/euclid/naeuclid_wheelends.aspx)
This just seems to be a page talking about Meritor as a company, I can't see anywhere to reference the studs or figure out which ones I have or need.
I use Euclid wheel and stud catalog. Google that and look for the pdf. I can't copy and paste a pdf address. Use the dimensions in the catalog to compare with what you have.
If you find them for a good price you will have been the first.
Many have trod the path you are on...
Squeeze your cheeks it's going to hurt...
Vaseline won't help.
Meritor is the manufacture ,Euclid is part of Meritor you can buy those direct from Meritor but they are expensive,Luke was cheaper @ 19.00 a stud, fwiw your hubs and drive axle are Meritor hope you find some at buy I never could
Not suggesting to buy from Euclid, but each stud/ nut has 2,3,4, industry part numbers. You can then go from there. After the fiasco several years ago with cheap imported wheel fastener failures, the Feds stepped in and required certification and a proper paper trail and mfg markings on each part. Thats why they are so expensive now. At least you will be getting quality parts now.
Funny because my father in law actually makes these studs for meritor. He can look at the stamp on the end and know it came from his plant here in Michigan. Crazy but true. He'd do a run of them for us if we needed a larger order.
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Quote from: Scott & Heather on April 22, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
He'd do a run of them for us if we needed a larger order.
How much and how big of a run?
Quote from: eagle19952 on April 22, 2018, 03:34:58 PM
If you find them for a good price you will have been the first.
Crikey - are they so expensive because most they are an unusual size? Aren't most truck studs something like $7-10?
Because even if I don't replace the drive studs (since they fit, though I would be happier if they were replaced) that's still close to $800 for just the studs, then at least 4 hours of mechanics work to pull the hubs.
Yeesh.
Are the original studs for steel around the same price? Because partly I want the aluminum wheels, but partly I just need to replace the studs on my bus.
Are the original studs for steel around the same price? Because partly I want the aluminum wheels, but partly I just need to replace the studs on my bus.
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They are a little cheaper not by much
Quote from: daveola on April 22, 2018, 06:41:52 PM
close to $800 for just the studs, then at least 4 hours of mechanics work to pull the hubs.
more like 8 hours and that bars finding nothing else in side the drum.
if they don't have a press you're in the wrong place.
Here is the Euclid catalog.
http://truckhub.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Euclid100DWheelAttachingPartsX-Ref.96161249.pdf (http://truckhub.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Euclid100DWheelAttachingPartsX-Ref.96161249.pdf)
ok...what's with the Alcoa wheel infatuation anyways ?
Quote from: eagle19952 on April 22, 2018, 07:26:31 PM
ok...what's with the Alcoa wheel infatuation anyways ?
Yeah, seems like those wheel covers have enough bling for most and a whole lot easier and cheaper,
You don't need a press to remove those studs. There is a space between brake shoes at about 9 o'clock. You turn the hub so the stud you want to remove is there. Spin the nut off the back of the stud. Place a big oversize nut (spacer) over the shaft, replace and tighten the nut to pull the stud off from the back. A little help with a hammer on the front of the stud helps to get it started. That's how I do mine.
JC
I use a 9in wide wheel and the 1 piece aluminum wheels just seem like a lot better wheel than a 2 piece welded steel wheel but they are a real PITA to keep looking good
It is recommended to press new studs in.
Quote from: chessie4905 on April 23, 2018, 06:50:02 AM
It is recommended to press new studs in.
same where i came from...
Dave,
He'd probably need a run of 100 of these things to make it worth setting the machinery etc.
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Is 60 enough?
Quote from: Scott & Heather on April 24, 2018, 01:04:13 AM
He'd probably need a run of 100 of these things to make it worth setting the machinery etc.
And how much?
I found the studs at Michigan Truck Springs not cheap @ 21.80 ea ,Hayes/Lemmers in Northville MI made the studs but are no longer making those only the one for hub pilot wheels now lol @ 8.40 each almost the same stud,the guy did say he could order the studs in from their plant in Mexico in 2 or 3 weeks but never would give me price
Quote from: luvrbus on April 30, 2018, 06:45:23 PM
I found the studs at Michigan Truck Springs not cheap @ 21.80 ea ,Hayes/Lemmers in Northville MI made the studs but are no longer making those only the one for hub pilot wheels now lol @ 8.40 each almost the same stud,the guy did say he could order the studs in from their plant in Mexico in 2 or 3 weeks but never would give me price
"the guy" who said he could order from Mexico, was that someone at Michigan Truck Springs, or you were talking to Hayes/Lemmers?
It was Hayes but you can forget him he called back price is $23.80 ea plus freight ,6 weeks delivery, minimum of 40 and paid in advance before ordering
That's ridiculous. a total replacement of studs on a coach with a tag would be over 1600 bucks? I used to use the example of replacing tires on a bus was not 500 bucks but 4000. Now I got a better one, replace wheel studs is $1600 ATM visit. lol
Quote from: windtrader on May 02, 2018, 11:25:06 AM
That's ridiculous. a total replacement of studs on a coach with a tag would be over 1600 bucks? I used to use the example of replacing tires on a bus was not 500 bucks but 4000. Now I got a better one, replace wheel studs is $1600 ATM visit. lol
LOL if you have the longer studs on a MCI now it worth more money when selling it,plain stupid the price of those studs
This all brings me back to my original question - does anyone have the specs or general part number for this stud? I have a feeling I might be able to find them *not* through bus channels for cheaper. But I don't know what the dimensions are.
Quote from: daveola on May 02, 2018, 01:40:23 PM
This all brings me back to my original question - does anyone have the specs or general part number for this stud? I have a feeling I might be able to find them *not* through bus channels for cheaper. But I don't know what the dimensions are.
take one off and measure it.
bet you a $ that you'll get 4 different answers if you get any.
if you measure you'll know.... if you don't, it will likely be wrong.
Here is the Euclid number you can get the dimensions from their site E-5922-L and E-5922-R or the Meritor number is ROO5922- R or L maybe Dorman makes the studs also
good luck and happy hunting
Quote from: luvrbus on May 02, 2018, 02:34:13 PM
Here is the Euclid number you can get the dimensions from their site E-5922-L and E-5922-R or the Meritor number is ROO5922- R or L maybe Dorman makes the studs also
Thank you so much!
Are these for the steel wheels, or the longer studs for the aluminums?
That should be correct number but Find it Truck Parts sold me some for $6.40 ea for 10 in box with that number that were not correct they were for steel wheels 1-3/4 long so watch Find it Parts.The only difference is the std steel wheel stud is 1-3/4 on the wheel end (1-1/8th)and the longer studs are 2 inches on the 1-1/8th end lol I chased these things for months and still have 20 of the short 1-3/4 studs for 64 bucks for a box of 10 they were worth keeping
Quote from: luvrbus on May 02, 2018, 02:55:22 PM
Find it Truck Parts sold me some for $6.40 ea for 10 in box with that number that were not correct..
Did they have that number on the box, or did they just send you the wrong parts?
Quote from: luvrbus on May 02, 2018, 02:55:22 PM
The only difference is the std steel wheel stud is 1-3/4 on the wheel end (1-1/8th)and the longer studs are 2 inches on the 1-1/8th end lol I chased these things for months
I'm confused - in the Euclid catalog, it shows it as 1-1/8", not 1-3/4"
And you're saying that these parts (E-5922-L/R) are for steel, and I need something with a longer wheel end? But is that 2" then, or 1-3/8", which is 1/4" longer?
The 1-1/8 th is the nut size 2in is the thread length , also check out BWP-NSI numbers M-2444 and M-2449 or better call them @ 636-629-5800 they have them but you need to buy from a dealer I found the BWP_NSI after I bought mine
Quote from: luvrbus on May 02, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
The 1-1/8 th is the nut size 2in is the thread length
According to the Euclid catalog at:
http://truckhub.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Euclid100DWheelAttachingPartsX-Ref.96161249.pdf
(http://truckhub.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Euclid100DWheelAttachingPartsX-Ref.96161249.pdf)
the 1-1/8th is actually the thread length (page 4-15)
Quote from: luvrbus on May 02, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
also check out BWP-NSI numbers M-2444 and M-2449
I called BWP-NSI and the full length on those is only 3 5/8"? Are the BWP parts for steel and the 4" is for aluminum? I still haven't figured out what the aluminum length is.
I posted this for you on the MCI F/B page maybe someone there has a lead for the studs.It's going to be interesting when Luke restocks I bet his wholesale price has went through the roof too
Okay! I just found a good source for the Euclid parts, but according to Cliff, the Euclid part number is for the steel wheels. So I called Euclid, and they don't carry anything like the E-5922-L/R but with longer wheel threads, so now I'm back out of luck.
Does anyone have an industry part number for the studs for aluminums?
You would think some supplier would give us the number,hell no they guard it like a high level secret,they even go to the trouble of repackaging those and there are no numbers to be found on 1 either :o
Either get them from Luke or pull one and compare dimensions to the ones in Euclid or equiv. book. Too expensive to take a chance getting wrong ones.
Yes the 4" is for aluminum wheels. Have you called Mowhack Industries?
JC
Mohawk was over $20. If it's 4", then I think I've found them. Should be more clear tomorrow after another round of calls.
MCI claims it's 4.25" for the aluminum, unfortunately, and the steel studs are now actually 4" according to their new part numbers.
If you don't have 2 inches of thread on the wheel side they don't work,I have some 4 inch with only 1-5/8 inch on the wheel side I got from Find It Truck Parts @ 6.40 bucks each
E-5922 Euclid or 20x 1868 Mertior is supposed to be the right stud,when I got mine they were to short could be they sent the wrong ones too anyways I gave up and called Luke,you can buy the E-5922 or the 20x1868 Mertior for 6 to 8 bucks all over the net ,the ones I got from Luke are 4-1/4 long FWIW,I really don't believe a 1/4 of a inch could make any difference with nuts on both sides that only a 1/8th of inch on each side
Quote from: luvrbus on May 03, 2018, 06:33:40 PM
E-5922 Euclid or 20x 1868 Mertior is supposed to be the right stud,when I got mine they were to short could be they sent the wrong ones too anyways I gave up and called Luke,you can buy the E-5922 or the 20x1868 Mertior for 6 to 8 bucks all over the net ,the ones I got from Luke are 4-1/4 long FWIW,I really don't believe a 1/4 of a inch could make any difference with nuts on both sides that only a 1/8th of inch on each side
I don't quite get it, you don't think 1/4" makes a difference, but you're saying that the ones you got were too short. Do you still have them? Do you know how long the wheel threads were?
The ones Find It sent me have a 1-5/8 thread on the wheel side not the 2 in I ordered a box of the Chinese made E 5922 from Nicks Truck Parts last night @ 5.94 ea I will find out in the next week
Quote from: luvrbus on May 04, 2018, 06:13:26 AM... I ordered a box of the Chinese made E 5922 from Nicks Truck Parts last night ...
Are you concerned about product quality on these, Clifford?
Quote from: Oonrahnjay on May 04, 2018, 07:27:55 AM
Are you concerned about product quality on these, Clifford?
I am Bruce but this just a test I have good studs already I purchased from Luke, I want to see if the 4 inch E-5922 are long enough lol for 20+ bucks ea this test wouldn't happen