Went to a shop in kingman and they gave me an estimate for over 5200 to r&r a front plate to fix an oil leak on a series 60. Seems way steep to me. Not sure if its a job i want to tackle myself as i dont have a torque wrench big enough for the crank pulley and i know all the gear train has to come off as well. Any suggestions for a good yet reasonable mechanic shop in the las vegas (NV) area? I have used Chino in the past but he is strictly mobile and im about 100 miles from vegas.
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Call Gary Bennett at B&B coachworks 702 873 4415. He does not do big engine jobs anymore but had a shop in Vegas for 30 years and knows a good mechanic in that town, but I forgot who it is now.
Maybe a little high but not out of sight,call Andy at A&A in Mohave Valley or Gilbert at G&G ? in Las Vegas. If I was home I would help you but I have 4 -8v92's looking at me in Texas lol only 3 to go
Andy is going to come by tomorrow and look at it. He is hesitant to believe that the plate is leaking and after a closer look I am inclined to agree with him. Looks like there is a good chance that the oil is coming from the water pump gasket, air compressor gasket, and the pan gasket. We will see if he concurs tomorrow.
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Chino used to work for B&B. At least my memory is trying to tell me that from the last time I visited with Gary and Van the man.
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I hope it is a easy fix the plate leaking is $$$$ oil leak to fix
Series 60 experts are going to be WW Williams and Las Vegas Freightliner. Good Luck, TomC
I use G & R at 4455 Cameron St (702) 575-5939, behind Orleans hotel on tropicana, family owned, Gilbert does good work and reasonable, just replaced 38' accelerator cable for me, but they are getting busy as the word gets around, say Mr. Tom sent you, lvmci...
Well andy did come by and we determined the best course of action was to go ahead and do the pan gasket which was leaking, and the water pump oring and see what the rest looked like while the pump was out of the way. Andy was too busy to squeeze me in before I had to leave town this weekend so i went ahead and did it myself. Seem to have taken care of the oil leaks but now another much greater issue.
While Andy was looking it over he mentioned that it looked like the head was moving around. Sure enough when i fired it up this morning to get ready to hit the road, it looked wet right where Andy said he thought it was moving around. I checked and it is coolant, not just water left over from a washing and cleaning. On fast idle i can see little tiny streams of coolant shooting out between the head and the gasket on number 1. No coolant in the oil so thats good i guess, but still looking at a major job. Shucks anyway.
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DD had a upgrade on the head bolts for the 11.1 series 60 could be the PO wasn't concerned enough to have it done,hoping you don't lose a stud in the middle of no where NV
good luck
I don't think this is something that just started, i think it's been seeping for a while. I noticed moisture in the same area in the past but dismissed it as possible moisture left over from cleaning in the area. Wondering if I should risk driving it the 50 miles to the shop or if i should err on the side of caution and just call for a tow. If it decided to let loose on the way there i would then be looking at a full rebuild instead of just a head job. Clifford why'd you have to run off to texas? Can you head home now please? Lol.
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LOL wish I was at home,Andy probably told you the head moving will cause a counter bore to sink on the series 60 not fun then
Quote from: luvrbus on March 30, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
LOL wish I was at home,Andy probably told you the head moving will cause a counter bore to sink on the series 60 not fun then
What does that mean? Liner sink into the block?
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Quote from: thomasinnv on March 30, 2018, 01:50:02 PM
What does that mean? Liner sink into the block?
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the movement of everything hammers the liner...head hits it down, piston moves it up...back and forth like a jack hammer...
Quote from: eagle19952 on March 30, 2018, 07:01:20 PM
the movement of everything hammers the liner...head hits it down, piston moves it up...back and forth like a jack hammer...
That's a good explanation Donald then you machine the counter bore and install a bushing to save the block pretty common on 11.1 and 12.7 Detroit's with high mileage
So it's most likely not "just" a head job, but more likely an inframe at the least?
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Quote from: thomasinnv on March 30, 2018, 07:38:20 PM
So it's most likely not "just" a head job, but more likely an inframe at the least?
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You could get lucky but 12.7 series 60 are so cheap now if the 11.1 needs more than head work replace the 11.1
My wife and i have discussed our options and feel that it would be the wisest course of action to simply abandone any plans for repairs on the 11.1 and look for a low mileage 12.7 to put in it's place. I have a lead on a recently overhauled unit with around 80k on it for around 7k.
I also know where there is a DL3 with a 12.7 in it in Mohave Valley AZ. Wonder if he would miss it?
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I'm trying to come up with some ball park ideas on the r&r. Anyone know the flat rate number of hours for removel and installation of the 60 series in the D series MCI?
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If its the one I am thinking of you better be able to run when "the persuader" comes walking out with him when they catch you. Not a good story will come from that.... Would like to be there to watch though,,,..... LOL ;D
Quote from: Dave5Cs on March 31, 2018, 06:59:35 PM
If its the one I am thinking of you better be able to run when "the persuader" comes walking out with him when they catch you. Not a good story will come from that.... Would like to be there to watch though,,,..... LOL ;D
Clifford is a big teddy bear. You think if I asked real nice he wouldn't mind? Lol. Seriously though Sonja is a sweet lady but I would not want to be the one to cross her.
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Sorry about the engine issues...bums me out for you. Seems to be par for the course with our buses. I'm driving mine much less this year than the last two. I put nearly 20,000 miles on last year. This year, I'm hoping to keep it under 5,000. I put way too much $$$ into mine last year. And now I have a trans electronic issue. Always something. I wish toyota made a bus lol. Might be half way reliable.
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92 Toyotas with that many miles have issues also, especially running on salted roads😮.
Toyota does make a bus,not much of a bus though the Toyota 3.4 diesel won't get out of it's own way ;D
All the Buses in Jamaica Mon were Toyota's and they were 20 passenger coaches and rattle traps.
Quote from: Dave5Cs on April 02, 2018, 07:45:10 AMAll the Buses in Jamaica Mon were Toyota's and they were 20 passenger coaches and rattle traps.
Same in Peru. The buses look like the love child of a 2 pound tuna fish can mated with a portable propane tank in an Airstream trailer's nightmare. And there were usually little things -- metal body strips, bits of insulation, odd wires, etc. -- hanging off under the body.
Pulled the trigger on a low mile reliabuilt 12.7 out of a D4000 with service documentation and one year warranty. Comes fully loaded less starter and alternator. The nice guy that was going to do the swap backed out literally 5 minutes before I was set to pay for the engine. Fortunately I was able to locate another shop just a few miles from me that is happy to take the work.
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