I have a remote ether injector on my 8V71. I need a replacement canister with a .875 threaded end. I can't find anything but 1". The 7/8 must have been from ancient times. The local auto parts store looked it up and it had discontinued all remote start equipment. However their books show an adapter .875to 1", but all discontinued. The 1" canister is common and can be bought most anywhere, but I need an .875 adapter. Is there anyone out there that can help me? I like to give the engine a little sniff when it is 50* of less. That saves on the starter and battery. P.S. The canister looks very much like a propane torch canister. Roger Dolan 4106
This is not the answer you want, but I offer it anyway. You really should not rely on ether to get going. It would be much easier on your engine to have a block heater. I had a remote injection system on a truck back in the eighties that my driver over applied, and it caused a hole in one piston which led to an overhaul. Ether is pretty explosive, and should only be considered when it is very cold (sub-zero) and you are desperate. A simple spring-cap injection port on the intake tubing would allow you to squirt some in from a spray can if you really must, but don't overdo it.
My Bus is equipped with an ether cold start aid I'm not sure of the brand, actually I have never needed to use it, I have operated heavy equipment that needed ether to start and I do remember seeing the Kats brand on some of those, maybe Kats would have a conversion available to upgrade yours? look on E-Bay??? >>>>> John.
I'll second Double Eagle. I know it isn't what you asked but I highly recommend installing a coolant heater. They're like $50 on eBay and easy to find locally as well.
I used to turn the engine over for 5 seconds at a time and then rest for 15. Seeing all that white smoke and listening to the engine struggle to warm up pushed me to install a coolant heater. Easy to install! Now I run the little honda generator (if we aren't plugged in at an RV Park) for a 1-3 hours depending on how cold it is an when I tap that fear start switch it fires up instantly like I just had it running! I wish I'd have installed it the day I got the bus!
Imagine the engine wear that saves you from!
Is this what you are looking for ?
https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/KAT33218 (https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/KAT33218)
- Steve
Everyone has an opinion and a experience with ether.Used properly it will not harm anything.
I can't count the cases of it that we sold and used for 40 years with no bad result.
If it's so bad why do they keep making it...why do companies keep buying it?
Quote from: eagle19952 on March 13, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
Everyone has an opinion and a experience with ether.Used properly it will not harm anything.
I can't count the cases of it that we sold and used for 40 years with no bad result.
If it's so bad why do they keep making it...why do companies keep buying it?
Because it works when used judiciously, but my complaint is with the remote units with the controls on the dash that don't let you get a feel for how much is being applied. It's very easy to overdo it with them, and not realize it.
Quote from: DoubleEagle on March 13, 2018, 12:16:42 PM... It's very easy to overdo it with them, and not realize it.
And bad results are *truly* bad, truly bad.
If you know your engine won't start right away when it is cold and you can start it from the back, here's a trick. If you can safely reach the governor-turn on the engine from the back, hold the stop lever in with your thumb, start turning over the engine and then slowly release the stop lever-and the engine should just come up to speed. This happens because when you turn off the engine, the injection retards. Also you're not over feeding the engine getting all that white smoke. Good Luck,TomC
Kysor was one brand that made an ether auto injector.
The auto injector, when installed correctly, are wired into the starter circuit, have a temp sensor on the block. You only get ether when the block is cold enough, and when the engine is cranking.
That's the point. No operator error involved. No ether unless it is needed, and arrives in proper dosage while cranking.
Ether wrankles up more religious debate than all the TV preachers combined...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Quote from: buswarrior on March 13, 2018, 01:38:01 PM
Kysor was one brand that made an ether auto injector.
The auto injector, when installed correctly, are wired into the starter circuit, have a temp sensor on the block. You only get ether when the block is cold enough, and when the engine is cranking.
That's the point. No operator error involved. No ether unless it is needed, and arrives in proper dosage while cranking.
Ether wrankles up more religious debate than all the TV preachers combined...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
That brand sounds very sophisticated, the one that killed by Cat engine involved pulling out a choke-like knob, and it kept spraying ether as long as it was out. :o
Quote from: roger dolan on March 13, 2018, 08:05:34 AM
I have a remote ether injector on my 8V71. I need a replacement canister with a .875 threaded end. I can't find anything but 1". The 7/8 must have been from ancient times. The local auto parts store looked it up and it had discontinued all remote start equipment. However their books show an adapter .875to 1", but all discontinued. The 1" canister is common and can be bought most anywhere, but I need an .875 adapter. Is there anyone out there that can help me?
If you're just talking about adapting from 3/4 thread to 1" that's a pretty trivial task for anyone with a lathe. You must know someone with a lathe. If not, tell your wife you need a lathe. When I told SWMBO that I needed a lathe she asked "What will you make?" I said "A bolt" She said "You can buy a bolt" You on the other hand have a piece you could build which clearly you CAN'T buy. I'd say go for it.
We have ether injection system and it is precisely metered specifically for our IL671 Detroit.
One shot, no sorry - exactly what it needs & no more.
Quote from: buswarrior on March 13, 2018, 01:38:01 PM
Kysor was one brand that made an ether auto injector.
The auto injector, when installed correctly, are wired into the starter circuit, have a temp sensor on the block. You only get ether when the block is cold enough, and when the engine is cranking.
That's the point. No operator error involved. No ether unless it is needed, and arrives in proper dosage while cranking.
Ether wrankles up more religious debate than all the TV preachers combined...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
The Quick Start system in my bus is also like that, dispensing just one brief squirt into the intake horn above the blower, but only if the conditions are right and the gods are smiling auspiciously. So saying, I don't use it all, and I've used the 1/4" port instead for the turbo boost gauge's feeder tube. A proper block heater is in my future. When I bought my bus the seller said that I could squirt ether for one second only into the air intake, and that's how we started it one cold December day after several months of inactivity. That is the first and last time I've ever used ether - he stressed that a one second squirt was always enough.
John
In So-Cal one would think you'd never need the ether. Up in the 48th parallel I've never needed ether to start my Cat 3208, but without the block heater going it is one ugly experience.
I don't think the debate should be whether ether is safe or not. I've used it a bajillion times without issue. But honestly, with straight 40w oil, should we really torture our engines with a couple of dry piston strokes before that thick as molasses oil starts flowing when it's cold out? I think not. Do the engine a favor and just get a heater.
Check out this awesome demonstration of oil flow in the cold....and imagine your 40wt flowing ever slower!!!
https://youtu.be/tYkg0oDUXs8
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Forgot to mention we also are equipped with the 2000 watt Jimmy Heet block heater, it's nice to have choices & alternatives. :-)
May be simpler to update ether injector to current version.
If you don't want to install an electric block heater, then get a 500w halogen light and the night before you're going to start the engine, place the light below the oil pan shinning on the oil pan. It will heat the engine sufficiently to make engine starting more friendly. Good luck, TomC
Sounds like he doesn't have electricity where the coach is kept.
Quote from: chessie4905 on March 15, 2018, 11:31:36 AM
Sounds like he doesn't have electricity where the coach is kept.
weed burner and 12-16 feet of 4" stovepipe, and a 90.
bottle of propane.
5 minutes (normally)
I used a heat gun pointed at the oil pan for 5 hours and coach started right up at 10°F
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Quote from: chessie4905 on March 15, 2018, 03:43:37 AM
May be simpler to update ether injector to current version.
Ditto. In the very least to ensure a correctly metered application.
I put a kat 300 watt magnetic heater and it works great and is easy to use
here is a 200 watt one
https://www.etrailer.com/Vehicle-Heaters/Kats-Heaters/KH1153.html (https://www.etrailer.com/Vehicle-Heaters/Kats-Heaters/KH1153.html)
dave