Has anyone been following the progress on the new Eagles? They just posted a picture of the bus with the wheels on...What do you think? Check it out: http://www.silvereaglebus.com/
The one in the picture is obviously a conversion shell. Until they establlish a reputation, they will probably have more luck selling shells for entertainer coaches than to line haul or charter companies.
To my eyes that hardly looks like an Eagle. It may just be the camera angle. I sure hope the look improves by the time production on that unit is done. It looks ugly right now.
The Eagle would probably be my choice for a new shell if I had the money. I really like the Torsilastic suspension in my Dina, but Dinas are not available new.
Brian Elfert
It does need a bit of color ;)
Surprised they rushed it to the front page without being complete ???
I will be curious to see how they do.
It is Ugly......in my opinion Eagles have only got more ugly over time....with attempts to keep up with updates from other companies.
Wonder if they are using cheap rust the next day steel?
I think unless they are quite a bit cheaper than MCI and Prevost they will be a hard sell with no dealer network, no service centers, and really no companies around with eagle experience mechanics anymore ( I know there are a couple around)
big gamble with alot of money on a guy whose experience is in horse buggies ( literally)
I really do not care for the look of it either. It is one of four designs and is called the New Generation. The Classic Design shown here is much more to my liking:
Classis Entertainer "Model 15" (http://www.silvereaglebus.com/buses.htm)
Models being produced:
Eagle Model 15 - 102" Wide - 38' 40' or 45' Lengths (Classic Design)
Eagle Model 20 - 96" Wide - 38' 40' or 45' Lengths (Classic Design)
Eagle Model 25 - Entertainer 102" Wide - 45' Length (New Generation)
Eagle Model 25 - House Car 102" 40' or 45' Length (New Generation)
Richard
The "Classic" pictures are of older Eagles. The production units may/may not look the same. I don't think a unit has been completed yet to take a picture of.
Silver Eagle Bus is probably posting pictures to prove they really do have a product in production although they seem to be REALLY slow.
Brian
Classis Entertainer "Model 15" ???
I hope they are better at building a bus than they are at designing a web page. I wonder if they ever heard of spell check?
slow probably because they are out of money already......and can't pay the guys to finish it.
they have had the chassi/body sitting on the floor pic on for several months
Although I loved the old classic Eagles They have had their hay day and unfortunately todays entertainers are hell bent and bound to travel around in big new Prevosts. Status thing. They may have a small chance at the conversion market if their product is really good and really cheap. but I would say not much there either. Kind of like Indian Motorcycles been out of the game too long didn't last too long last time around.
My dollar in the pool goes to:
within 2 years company is no longer making buses if still in business at all
1. no dealer network
2. no service network
3. no parts network
4. no history making buses ( new company, no bus people)
5. entertainer coaches are rarely owned by the entertainer......and the people that own them have gone to prevost, they aint coming back
6. they are going to cost near what a MCi/Prevost will i am sure
7. all you freinds will sscrew with you calling it a horse buggy
8. It won't be sold to bus comapnies because they have to build 2 or three to send to the feds for testing for a few years....then they can selll them as buses.
will go to the same place Indian Motorcycles, excelsior henderson, Norton and all other new companies with old names go to.
FILE 13
I think we should give the company a chance. It has taken a lot for them to get this far, and I am sure there will be some bumps.
As a proud Eagle Owner, I would like them to do well. It will take time, and lots of money, if they are serious about getting into the market.
I wish them GOOD LUCK AND GOOD FORTUNE!
Happy Trails,
Paul
Dreamscape
Here's my $0.02.
First, I do hope that the principals of Silver Eagle can make a go of it.
So, some observations ...
a) The coach needs more attention to the front and rear caps. Way too boxy – just doesn't look right.
b) Don't like proportions of the side windows. Proportion in virtually everything designed is a key element. I personally think that their window proportions need to be revisited.
c) Beyond the bus—although some might NOT think it key ... they should seek a web designer to work on their site. With a newly introduced product (or "re—introduced" product), image is key. Their site doesn't present the best "professional" image and showcase their prototype bus in its best light. I wouldn't post an image of a uncompleted bus.
d) "Who" IS their target buyer? Is it the converter ... will it be a tour operator? I think tour operator would be a reach. They'll stick with the MCI's, Prevost's and VanHools, as they have a nationwide service and support system. I think, regardless of the market they're going after; they're going to have to really make the bus cost-effective. If the selling price offers no significant savings over a new MCI or Prevost, it'll be tough, if not impossible to sell their product.
e) I'd go after the Limo bus conversion market. Freightliners with their "XB" (http://www.freightlinerchassis.com/pdf/cb/xb_specs.pdf (http://www.freightlinerchassis.com/pdf/cb/xb_specs.pdf)) series are providing a platform for limo bus mfg's. If they can offer (again) a cost-effective alternative to the pricier Prevosts/MCIs and a better quality option over the "XB" direction, that'd (possibly) be great for then. You need to get the ball rolling and get "something" sold. Reading: http://busmag.com/PDF/Craftsmen.pdf (http://busmag.com/PDF/Craftsmen.pdf). Reading: http://www.craftsmenlimousine.com/HTMs/LimBusine%2045.htm (http://www.craftsmenlimousine.com/HTMs/LimBusine%2045.htm).
f) The entertainer coach option? Again, they need to provide a sound, quality and attractive shell for (much) less for it to be considered. I think that market will be an uphill trek, but not "impossible". I think, if that want this market, they'll need to create some attractive programs for the converters/operators/owners.
Just my thoughts,
Jerry H.
I think they may have a chance if they decided to go with a vertical market plan. Like make the buses toy box haulers for rich motorcycle enthusiast, or heavily sponsered race teams ie: motor cross, stunt teams, mini sprint, world of outlaws, drag bike racers.
but their best chance of survival I think they should get into the parts business and make updated parts for the buses that are still on the road. Or trying to get back on the road.
I like it. It is certainly less boxy than a VanHool. I'd like to see the Classic 38ft x 102. My guess is that it is a two axle. And judging the fact that my transit has a 36,000gvw and weighs fully loaded in road ready form at 31,000lb I don't see the nead for the tag axle. That space can be used for more storage. Granted it may provide more braking and possibly stability, but my bus handles just fine as far as I'm concerned. Wait and see. Good Luck, TomC
My vote goes to the "I'm proud of them for taking a chance"! It takes some pretty big "nuggets" to attempt something like that and I"m proud of them for doing so. I truely hope they can make a go of it regardless of the path they choose. They don't have to be a dynasty to be successful.
Go for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chaz
they will be successful and cheap if they use the local illegal labor
Good point. :(
i agree with earlier comments. the new style looks a little boxy and the windows are small compared to the rest. However, they must have the nuggets to do what their doin and i hope all goes well. Just the name won't get them in the door, but there is a lot of money to be made just servicing the Eagles that exist, and encouraging the brand. Personally, i like mine better than theirs. Let's hope their Eagle doesn't become a Turkey.
i hope they continue in some form and become a better bus than some of the more snooty brands. Busnuts are down to Earth. Eagles (and some MCI's) fit.
To bad we won't be able to eat that turkey.
I think they have a factory "raised roof" but did not lower the windows for some reason..
they are going after a very small market 9 entertainer and conversion coaches....and as I said earlier, they won't be selling to any of the entertainer leasing comanies becasue they are not passing the bus federal testing at least I have heard nothing of them sending a few to the test center.
and for what I expect the prrice to be, I would never risk it over a MCI or prevost.
should make for a great case study in a business school in a few years.
Agree,huge nuggets but not much sense
Aa a loyal Eagle owner and Texan, I have had the pleasure of visiting the factory and talking to Craig at great lenghth about the new Eagle . I do not know why tekebird is being negative, I would expect that from a Prevost guy but not a GMC busnut....The new Model 25 is a little different from a traditional Model 15 but all coaches have changed in the last 10 years since Eagle went down. I have seen the 25 up close and personal and it reminds me of what Ford did to the Mustang....retro yet new tech. I also can tell you that Mr.Hanloh's background is not in horse buggies, but in NHRA and off road chassis...and he has a good grasp on what is right with the Eagle as well as what is wrong ...I did not see any illegal labor working on the coach, but did talk to several ex-Eagle employees who were excited that the legend lives on. If you ask any old bus driver ( especially the entertainer drivers ) whay they would rather drive/ride on , almost all will say EAGLE. The Eagle bus is just to good to let die....as soon as they finish the new Model 25 and it is out for the entertainer tour bus market Prevost sales will plummet ....I for one am very excited that the Eagle is back ...hand made one at a time ...only in America.
We as Americans and bus nuts should be proud that Craig and his group have the "nuggets" to bring back a legend like Eagle .
How refreshing to see a post that was well thought out and presented with facts.
Quote from: Eagle78550 on February 05, 2007, 11:56:10 AM
Aa a loyal Eagle owner and Texan, I have had the pleasure of visiting the factory and talking to Craig at great lenghth about the new Eagle . I do not know why tekebird is being negative, I would expect that from a Prevost guy but not a GMC busnut....The new Model 25 is a little different from a traditional Model 15 but all coaches have changed in the last 10 years since Eagle went down. I have seen the 25 up close and personal and it reminds me of what Ford did to the Mustang....retro yet new tech. I also can tell you that Mr.Hanloh's background is not in horse buggies, but in NHRA and off road chassis...and he has a good grasp on what is right with the Eagle as well as what is wrong ...I did not see any illegal labor working on the coach, but did talk to several ex-Eagle employees who were excited that the legend lives on. If you ask any old bus driver ( especially the entertainer drivers ) whay they would rather drive/ride on , almost all will say EAGLE. The Eagle bus is just to good to let die....as soon as they finish the new Model 25 and it is out for the entertainer tour bus market Prevost sales will plummet ....I for one am very excited that the Eagle is back ...hand made one at a time ...only in America.
We as Americans and bus nuts should be proud that Craig and his group have the "nuggets" to bring back a legend like Eagle .
I too have heard the same thoughts regarding the Great Eagle Ride over the other brands.
Thanks for sharing such positive information regarding this company.
I also have been in contact with them and have found them to be excited bringing back the Classic Eagle.
Happy Trails,
Paul
Dreamscape
Proud to own a Classic Eagle
Ok let me chime in if I may!
I would agree to everything the guy that calls himself Eagle78550 says and I applaud him for the positive post and information BUT... to think that a person that owns a prevost would say the things that Tekebird has been saying is wrong! I own a prevost and I'm not being negatived about the NEW Eagle. I have owned one and would probably still own one if I hadn't the opportunity to purchase a Prevost. As you said the ride is great! The looks are as good as any out there and I commend the people who I DON'T know that have the big kahuna's for keeping the Eagle legend alive. The only reason other than the opportunity to own a Prevost was the lack of, or scarcity (sp) of parts for my old Eagle. I loved everything about it!
I too was ashamed to see such negative responses from T-bird and coming from someone that owns a Gm at that! What first hand knowledge does he have of the Eagle? He already has been wrong about the horse and buggy history! Maybe he is thinking of another coach builder somewhere!
Anyway, I agree to the going forward of those in Texas at the Eagle plant and my hat is off to them but don't hold all negative attitudes from Prevost owners to what you may think! Yes I'm proud to own a Prevost but that's about it! I'm NOT a Prevost Proud Owner if you know what I mean?
Ace
I second Ace's comments. Just becuase I own a prevost does not mean I would bad mouth Eagle.
I apologize to you Prevost guys ...I did not mean any ill will ...I just am a little perturbed at a GMC guy bad mouthing Eagle ....The GMC nuts and the Eagle nuts have always been kin, and I was a little taken back by his comments ...the friendly rivalry between the Eagle guys and the Prevost guys ...and not to mention the MCI guys has always been fun ...I meant no offense. We are all bus nuts and that is really what matters.....
Remember if it's not a Eagle...it's just a bus !! LOL !!
To Clairfy things
1. I was not badmouthing the Eagle. The were at a time a very good coach.....prior to going to Mexico where they would build start wiring at the back with white wire with black trace and run out of that spool half way up the coach and would splice in whatever they had......with no documentation for the new owner.....they are a nice riding coach although I have not owned one or driven one I have driven a Flx Flxliner which also has Torsilastic suspension as well as the MCi F3500 which has both air and Torsilastic
2. I may have been misinformed about the Owners background.....but building NHRA dragsters is nothing kin to building buses for profit.....
3. what I was commenting on is his balls for doing it and his lack of understanding the market. There is no way that Prevost sales will plummet......as I said 80% of Entertainer coaches out there are owned by leasing companies......which are responsible for the maint of these coaches.....and they are not going to buy into a unknown........
4. I am not saying this guy can't or 2won't build a good unit but he has and won't have infrastructure/support for some time.
5. I have not been to the factory but have sent Craig emails, which were not returned or returned quite late....and this is prior to them actually building anything
6. His website sucks.....it's that simple.......if I was looking to drop 300k on a shell I would not be inpressed
7. Just because I am a GM owner does not mean I cannot see the forrest for the trees........send this case study to any business schhool and they would say the guy is going to not make a go of it........that said I hope he does.
8. History has shown people who are not knowledgable in an industry who find themselves running one often fail
Ex Excelsior henderson.....motorcycles...they hired some Car guys...company fails shortly.
Greyhound........hire a donut guy.......company has failed, although still in buisiness.
9, Would I like GM to start making buses again......yep....will they....nope because they know getting back into the market is about impossible.....heck they only reason they stayed in it as long as they did is because they had Greyhound as a steady buyer......once greyhound bought MCI.....and ramped up production to meet thier needs........No more GM Coaches....Oh another factor was the anti trust suit on GM for National City Lines, which they owned........thus bought only GM buses..... Ref, the anti trust suits involving Greyhound and GM
10, Don't be ashamed on my comments.....they are mine and I am certainly not ashamed of them nor will I appoligize. However in 10 years when he has even 10% of the market you all can make me eat Crow
The Eagle group is going to have a rally at the plant in Apr and maybe we can get some questions answered at that time I think that he knows where his sales market is going to be he's not a dummy
I have yet to see any advertising...anyone see any?
I think he knows what his market is demographically....thats simple.......but is he going to sell them is the question.
Anybody know what his expected production rate is? Units per year.
did he send one to be tested by the feds yet? Actually I think it is three that you never get back......Bus or not it has to be tested to get a VIN.
more power to him.....and best of luck
Tekebird,
I too have emailed Craig with no response! I offered to test run the first dozen or so 45' passanger units for him and keep accurate records and give him a tremendous amount of feedback on the product! All I asked was for them to call when the first 1 was ready and tell me where to pick it up! I also asked that since they are new to the market that they cover the insurance and any/all parts needed to keep them on the road! I'll provide drivers, fuel, and passangers! (on a side note, anybody wanna drive a nice new eagle charter bus? We'll pay meals,rooms, and expenses. You'l get the bragging rights of driving such a fine vehicle as a part of an all volunter test group! Sounds great doesn't it? Call me!). With such great offers on the table I can't understand why my phones not ringing off the hook! LOL!
BK ;D
hey BK, until they send the three units to be tested I don't think they can sell any for revenue use.......only as a specially built vehicle......or buiot from parts type of thing.
Again I need to put my two cents in.....I agree that the Eagles made during the Mexican era may have had some issues , but none were made in Mexico. The Mexicans wanted too but they never would / could pass DOT regs..they built one or two out of the Auqascaliente facility and sent them up to Brownsville, but with fiberglass bumpers they would not survive a crash test.
When I spoke to Craig I asked the questions about licensing and such, and after doing a little research I found out he was right in saying that all previous models 01-05-10-15-20 are grandfathered from Alcuna testing if built from the same jig...which he has. The new Model 25 does not need to be Alcuna tested unless it is for the seated market and government bids. A private coach or entertainer coach does not need Alcuna tests. Have you ever heard of Monaco sending a motorhome to be tested ? Nope. Motorhomes only need the standard heat and cooling tests, braking tests etc. My impression of the Silver Eagle operation is they are not out to take the market by storm , but rather to build quality coaches with the ride and prescence that we all have come to know. I questioned Craig about the advertising and he told me he did not want to put stuff out until they had the process right...I agree with that ...make sure the product is perfect before you make a move, and knowing that the fit and finish needs to be flawless. As soon as he rolls that coach out the door guys like us will be foaming at the mouth to critique it. The Model 15's that he has in production are tried and true , but the new coach is the one that people will be judging.Craig also told me that for the first years he wants quality over quantity ..25-50 coaches a year..
I must also correct the fact that the Eagle is the only coach in the market today with a torsion ride suspension..Dina had a smaller set-up, not as heavy duty as the Eagles but similar....Setra had a similar torsion suspension ...and the MCI F3500 has a Lord suspension ..not torsion ..if they did have a torsion set up they probably pulled it out of the old Dina bin when they were in bed together .
I do agree that the website needs some tweaking ..but I have also seen companies with flashy websites but no substance in product ..I s that what we have come to? If the site is cheesy than the product is too? I do not judge by site design, I want to see for myself and I guess time will tell. I am proud of Craig's vision and support him 100%...I just wish he had done it 5 years ago and then I would have had better access to parts ! LOL !!
the testing facility is in Altoona, PA
I will take your word on his research on the testing, I figured new company new bus new test.
Does he he have Eagles in Production....I have yet to see a photo of a production bus just file photos
as for torsion suspension......the F3500 in deed has torsion as well aas air assist.
not stolen from Dina as the F-3500 was a Dina......which in Fact was a Flxible Flxliner...which did have torsion susension.
I have been under our Flxliners and the F-3500's and they are identicle as they are mor eor less the same chassis. And I hazzard a guess that an F3500 went to Altoona despite it being a 40 year old design
a bit of research......
the Altoona testing is for buses which will be purchased or operated with federal funds....so Craig does not need to have it done. has nothing to do with being grandfathered by using the same jig.
I know nothing about regular vehicle testing requirments so can't comment there
Maybe he needs to hire Sam Walker to put a web site together. They do not get any better than that.
Richard
Quote from: tekebird on February 05, 2007, 06:33:34 PM
a bit of research......
the Altoona testing is for buses which will be purchased or operated with federal funds....so Craig does not need to have it done. has nothing to do with being grandfathered by using the same jig.
I know nothing about regular vehicle testing requirments so can't comment there
Mexican Eagles: Although I have not researched the production Qty's.......acording to Silver Eagle Buses own website Eagles were in deed produced in two different location in Mexico.
also from a newpaper article
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ts_comments.php?id=68642_0_10_0_C
Hanloh from Nashville with a background in building buggies and chassis.
Sounds like horse buggies to me as there isn't much Sand rail production in TN
Eagle78550 no offense taken! Just wanted to clarify that not all owners of Prevost coaches feel the way T-bird feels! :)
T-bird it sounds as though you are just a wee bit jealous of a guy with dreams. You openly admitted to the fact that you never have owned an Eagle. You openly admitted that you don't really know the backround of the guy in question that has the big kahuna's! In my opinion, if the guy was in NHRA and was a chassis builder, he gets my vote because the inspectors in NHRA are far more strict than any federal agency! Build a car from the ground up for speeds that exceed 200 MPH and try to get it passed! You will be surprised at what they turn down! You openly admitted that you can't comment on what testing really needs to be done in order to sell the New Eagle bus! I bet you weren't aware that Leber Coaches in Bushnell Fl. has built "look-a-like" (couldn't tell them from a factory Eagle) Eagle busses litterally from the ground up including their own front and rear caps and were issued titles from the state of Florida to use as leased coaches which in turn over the years were sold to 2nd and 3rd parties! Trust me, they were NOT tested or sent anywhere to be tested by any federal agency and they were used for many many over the road miles carrying many many people including some of the biggest name bands in the country! Since then they have all gone to using the newer Prevost!
Now since you have started this pissing match with a bunch of heresay and hogwash, how about commenting on facts as they are instead of cutting down a guys dreams? Oh abd by the way, what did Eagle do to sell their busses or shells before we had "WEB SITES"? I don't think it takes a web site, good or bad, to sell busses. Do you think I sell mnore kettle corn from my web site? NO, I sell it because it's a good product and I'm sure if this guy and his crew turn out a good product, the same will go for him!
Quit being so negative about another guys dreams! If he fails, it cost him and his pocket, not you, yours or your tax money! Again, if your only babbling about this guy and what he IS doing and you don't think it is right in your eyes, then how about going there and telling him yourself! I'm sure he would be open armed for any help you may want to offer but then again, if all your wanting to do is butt heads with him, then maybe you should stay away from Texas! I hear they don't take too kindly to know it alls!
Ace... with just another opinion
T-bird let me also add that sometimes if not all, the term "Buggy" is used in a lot of drag car terminology! It's definitely NOT horse and buggy! A lot of open wheel drag cars are called buggies!
Now you have actually learned a true fact!
Ace
Well said Ace. I could not have said it better, being a eagle owner and proud of it. thanks Ace.
Pete & Jean
Fantasy
WOW I guess I should go back and read some posts I skipped over
I really doubt that a newspaper article would list they guy as a buggy maker, I have heard other places that he was involved in high end horse buggy building...prior to his website.
I am not pissing on his parade or dreams...just commenting on the feasability and likelyhood of success.
As I said I hope he does well......let me say that again
I HOPE HE DOES WELL
but I am entitled to my opion and my ability to discuss it on this forum.
Not a pissing match so don't make it that.......
A welder and even a Top Fuel chassis builder makes not a successful Bus Manufacturer.
I have no doubt that he will build a good unit......as I have seen photos of his work at various stages.
I just doubt his ability to sell enough to pay his bills
Again, Not that I am unfamiliar with Eagles, just have never owned or driven one.......been under and around alot of them........they are a good bus......even rusty ones that should not be allowed to tool down the highway ride very nice.......
Keep in Mind, Eagles are only around because of Trailways, once Greyhound bought them and proceeded to let Eagle go........the STRONG entertainer coach market did not keep them in business........will it be strong enough to bring them back.
Read the Title of this thread
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
Just staying on topic and DISCUSSING.
Don;t get your panties in a wad
Just an add-on from a Prevost owner who started out to buy an Eagle but ended up with a Prevost - I am happy with what I have - but not so sure I wouldn't have been just as happy with an Eagle - Both fine buses IMHO
Oh And Eagle,
I never said he was using illegal labor....just that he should if he wants to make money.
NOW, I will keep my trap shut until they have a sales staff and I see them rolling out of the factory and off to the Converters. Until then:
Appearance wise the best looking buses (in my opinion) are Prevost and Eagles. Now that MCI has the J45 it's up there too but for all the old school styles Prevost and Eagle. But I do believe the guy is putting his money in a VERY high risk market. But I hope he comes out a winner
Let me preface this post by saying, a) I hope they make a good go of it and succeed, b) Although I am an MCI owner, love the look of an Eagle.
That said ... the post DID start by asking, "What do you think?" It solicited "opinion" from the board. It didn't say, "Give me all your positive comments."
I've read and re-read all the posts. I think that many of the Eagle owners here are (possibly) a bit thin skinned ... like someone has said something negative about one of their kids. For many of the points, I don't think Tekebird was too far off.
Again, I commend Craig for doing what he's doing ... I wish him well ... hope he succeeds. It will be tough. Another coach Mfg. has a HUGE portion of that market. I don't know numbers, but I am sure MCI would love to capture much of Prevosts market ... but that's not happening.
As far as the website. Craigs not trying to sell kettlecorn. Yeah you are right, the web wasn't around years ago ... but it IS now. Walker's website was actually NOT that great. It was over done and in my opinion ... kinda sucked. Appearance IS everything. If you cannot first capture a perspective buyer by appearance, you risk losing them. Yes, history and qualifications DO count for something ... but the appearance is so important and could account for someone NOT knocking on your door should they get that far. In the scheme of things -- investment wise ... a decent website is minor. Hell, he had coffee mugs and shirts made ... he could have invested those dollars in a better website. The shirts and the mugs were "feel good" items.
Playing Devils advocate here. Again, wish him well, but think you Eagle owners need to remove the blinders and see that many of Tekebirds comments are valid. Doesn't mean that you're a bad Eagle owner -- a bad bus person -- or a negative person.
Just my $0.02, let the flood gates open.
JerryH.
I do appreciate the comments both good and bad ...that is the American way ...freedom of speech and the ability to see both sides of an issue. As a Eagle owner, yeah I guess we are a little thin skinned as we have been abandoned before. That is when most Eagle guys jumped ship...when the parts situation hit the skids ...but us die hard Eagle guys never gave up...I do agree with some of T-birds points, and I acknowledged that...I guess I am a little closer to this deal having seen the operation and feel that I have family supporting me ....T-bird needs to remember that Bill Lear had no Aerospace background when he started building jets ....and became one of the most successful in his field. I hope that same rings true for Craig and his group...maybe the rally in April will open some eyes to the operation in Brownsville...in the heyday Eagle had 600+ employees and were building a coach every 12 hours ...it will be a while before Craig is there, but maybe he does not want to be ....I do not know ...I just like the fact that Eagle is built by hand by guys who really seem to care about the product..and in America.
T-bird keep the comments coming, I think it makes for good posts !!
Quote from: captain ron on February 05, 2007, 09:59:53 PM
But I do believe the guy is putting his money in a VERY high risk market. But I hope he comes out a winner
Well, MCI pretty much has the passenger coach business wrapped up with Setra, Vanhool, etc filling in the gaps....and Prevost has the new entertainer/motorhome business wrapped up. The big players in the conversion business don't have to pay for thier shells until they are completed and sold. I don't know if they pay interest, like a floor plan. If Eagle is willing to do that, they might get one or two of the smaller converters to give them a try. I don't see a high end converter who is already hooked up with Prevost, and they all are, switching to the new Eagle. There are a lot of reasons for that. for one, The Prevost XL is a nicer looking bus. More power to them, but they have an uphill battle.
IE: Bill Lear....Bill Lear pioneered the modern business jet. He was pretty much the first one in his field. He saw a need for high speed business travel and filled that need, which didn't exist at the time. He didn't start building jets and then try to break into an already existing, very limited market.
Ross
PS...Im an MCI owner...I'm not bashing Eagle, I just think the Prevost XL is the nicest looking bus out there.
Although I'm probably very unqualified to contribute to this topic, I will just make a couple of comments from my perspective as an 'outside observer':-
Regarding the economic viability of the whole Silver Eagle enterprise, everyone seems to be assuming that they want to be another 'big player' alongside MCI, Prevost etc. I agree that this is unlikely for many reasons - but maybe that is not their ambition - maybe they just want to be a Mom & Dad operation building a few shells a year for the conversion market. There is always space in a market for a small, specialist company catering to niche customers - and the selling price of the final product is almost certainly NEVER a major issue if your product and marketing is right. (but then, I'm a marketing graduate so I'm probably biased).
Regarding the website, JerryH sums it up well. There are no two ways about it, websites are about image, and no matter what you may like to think, image is important. If your company needs a website (and not all do), it needs to be one which enhances your business rather than one which detracts from it.
Lastly, I have no axe to grind either way about Eagles vs any other make, but personally I like the appearance of the Eagle the least - they look to me to be the very epitome of the overweight dinosaurs of the 1970's - just like the bloated Cadillacs and Lincolns of that decade that seem such an anachronism today. I'm certain that is an unworthy and unfair view, as I expect the weight of an Eagle is no higher than an equivalent MCI or GM, but there is something about their shape and all that exposed metal that just screams 'heavy and old fashioned'. I'd love to own one though - an Eagle would be a real head-turner on UK roads
Jeremy
Hey Jeremy, I'll get an eagle and trade you for one of those cool European coaches you posted pictures of.
They would be great head turners on the streets of America ;D
I've read the above posts and understand everyone point of view though not necessarily in agreement with thereof. If people would just watch and listen to the video on the Eagle web site, you can get the overall feel of what those folks are embarking on. They certainly aren't trying to overtake MCI nor Prevost, but rather fill a niche market created in this unique case, by the very absent of what once was and can be. Hell Mr. Craig himself is the greatest epitome of an example – (or should I say sample?)- of having experienced the """grandor""" of the now classic Eagle, was wondering, questioning where, why, and how did it manage to "shipwreck"? Well as most of you know when a company is bought solely for financial gain, plus zero sentiment quality times (x) three, you eventually get zero whatever. But also you must understand that the Eagle pretty much pioneered the entertainment coach market, and when management allowed things to slip, well so Prevost and then MCI rightfully moved into the entertainment market originally created by the Eagle brand. I 'v talked to the folks over at Silver Eagle MFG and was assured most of the long reputable entertainment coach converters companies all have back orders to be processed, and not just on the new model 25 , but also the 15, and 20 also.
P.S. just to remind you how fickle this industry can be on the manufacturing side of the fence; Motor Coach Industries just recently filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection..
Folk's I don't have a dog in this fight so to speak. :P
I own a GMC Buffalo P8M4905A. It's a fine coach for my needs period.
If you own a Eagle it's a great bus it it's day.
But Every Eagle owner must remember this very one important thing.
And that is this if it were not for Greyhound and GMC building the PD-4501 Scenicruiser Continental Trailways would have never built the Eagle coaches for their use.
Greyhound and their Scenicruiser was eating into Continental Trailways passenger revenue big time when the Scenicruiser's came out in 1954.
So Eagle owners tip your hat to Greyhound and GMC and the PD-4501 Scenicruiser when one goes by. ;D
jlv ::)
very true.
What is the latest. one hand built prototype in better than 2 years. No known production to date.
No answers here most of the Eagle guys are in Branson enjoying a rally and could care less have a great evening
:'(
Quote from: tekebird on September 28, 2008, 08:40:47 PM
very true.
What is the latest. one hand built prototype in better than 2 years. No known production to date.
But you earlier said they would be out of business in two years. You also complained about the bus not having an engine and being roadworthy. They are not out of business. The bus is roadworthy and made it's debut at Fan Fair. Will it ever be enough for you? No matter what step these guys take, you move your complaints up a step or two so they can never win. They are doing what they set out to do. They are doing it slowly sure, but they are doing it. Some of us would have done it differently, like building the 15 and 20 first. But we didn't take on the challenge, they did. We all know you hate Eagles. I was always an MCI guy too, but never hated Eagles the way you do. I like MCIs, Eagles, Prevosts, GMCs, and any other bus done well. Why not just give them credit for what they are getting done instead of moving your bar up? I'm not crazy about the looks of the 25 either but I guarantee you that you will see entertainers in them.. And in new 15s and 20s too whenever they start building them again.
And oh, btw, you are also incorrect when you said that "entertainer coaches are rarely owned by the entertainer". If you said 'new artists rarely own their own bus' you would be more correct. But most artists I know, and this is just about everybody in country music for the last 40 years, buys their own buses once they get to the point where they can. I can see Eagles getting back into that market whenever they get production going. And I think this is exactly what they want... not seated coaches.
Well, I'm an eagle owner and I think the idea is great, but even if I didn't own an eagle I'd still think the idea is great. I just can't see where having another bus company trying to start up is a bad thing, some may succeed, some may fail but in the end, busnuts will be the winners. All buses have problems, eagles are prone to rusting, mci's are prone to air bag problems, the key here for buying a used one to convert is to do your homework and buy the one you feel will best suit your needs and abilities, both financially and physically. The end result here is another bus that you might see on the road. The only reason I could ever think of in anyone wanting them to fail would be a fear that somehow they may succeeed.
Songman, I don't hate eagles, and I only posed the question because I was curious as w-to what was going on with them.
thier wesite has not been updated in the last 6 months, yes the bus went to Fan Fair, but no published photos of the interior, the engine comapartment, the bays, website is still the quality of a D project for a 6th grader.
They have not advertised one bit.
the pice in BCM was fluff and was not much more light bearing than the one they did 3 years ago in national Bus Trader.
It is fairly clear the owners are full of crap as to thier abilities as they can't even keep close to thier published timeframe.
The Bus exists and they have a rolling/driving Possibly incompete bus, otherwise they would be in production.
In the 3 year old NBT article I think it was they stated they had 30 some order or something to that effect.
As for ownership of buses...clearly the Contry industry who was supposed to come out in droves to buy this Belgian Icon, have not come out of the backwoods yet.
Of the several hundred entertainer coaches I have been in contact with in the past few years....none were owned. all leased, some short term, some long term. Dolly parton was the only owned coach...and that was just her personal unit...the other three were leased units.
Yes all buses have thier problems. But Eagle not only has Rust in it's closet...but also a poorly run Comapny too boot.
Yep I said two years........and yep still in business.....but they are not making buses are they........just a parts company to date save a hand built prototype.
Off to Michigan.
Enjoy a weeks peace on the matter
Craig, is building buses I know a little what goes on there it make no difference to him what Teke thinks or doesn't think Teke is their Charlie Brown and they enjoy his posts on the board
Hey Guys,
Some of you have rebuilt your buses from the wheels up including all the reworks and new frames in less time than has passed since the "New Eagle" was originally announced.
Not that I am a skeptic or anything, But even though considerable time has passed there must be something else wrong that is limiting the new Eagles from being in production. Maybe the financial market meltdown is taking it's toll on them along with everyone else?
I don't know where they are headed or much about them, But consider that even MCI (US) is looking for cheaper capital and refinancing their position. Imagine what a startup has to go through. Many of the other European makers that once had factories and market shares here have either pulled out or ceased production for one reason or another. Doesn't that speak volumes about a hard market?
That's all I had to say.. Sorry if I upset anyone....
Dave....
Doug, my comment was really not about any question you posed. It was more about the fact that in the two years I have been here just about any time an Eagle bus is mentioned you come into the thread and down it. And you make no bones about how you feel about them trying to build new ones. You have every right to your opinion. There is no doubt of that. As a casual observer it just gets a little old after the 1000th time when there are real points people are trying to make. Bottom line is, Eagle didn't last as long as it did by being the rusted out piece of crap that you tell everyone they are. Even MCI has had MANY problems over the years.
I admit that the Silver Eagle website leaves a lot to be desired. I would be glad to offer my services to them in that area whenever they are ready for it. Saying the website hasn't been updated in 6 months is totally inaccurate. It was actually updated 2 months ago and I found lots of new stuff I enjoyed seeing recently. And you know, sometimes a website just don't need updating in 6 months anyway.
And I also agree that I would love to see engine and interior pictures of the bus. On the other hand, I have never seen pictures of the inside of the space station either but I know it exists. We've already admitted they are not the best on the web. That doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Have you ever seen the advertisements for my business? No? That's because I don't advertise. But I am still in business and get all the work I want. As far as Eagle goes, let me make another comparison. I used to travel with Merle Haggard. Merle was on a label that put out two albums for him with a negligible amount of promotion. It really sucked. So why would they do it? Because they knew that Merle had such a name that a certain amount of people would buy his stuff regardless. Eagle has a name like that. I'm sure as they get closer to having units to sell, we will see their advertising. Again, I will gladly offer my services if needed. But at that time, you will raise the bar again.
What do you do for a living, Doug? I don't know you well enough to know. But you must be very good at it since you can claim that the "owners are full of crap' because they are not on their published time frame. Never had anything take longer than planned, or things go wrong that pushed a schedule back? You are a miracle man because I'm sure everyone else here has. And frankly, I am glad they are taking their time to do it right instead of throwing something out there quick that might have issues, just so you won't think they are full of crap. Personally, I don't see how those two things relate. Off schedule - full of crap.
Dolly is the only person in country that you know that owns her bus? I will also assume that you don't really know if the country industry has come out of the backwoods to buy Eagles yet either. I figured you were going to come back with something like 'all the rap groups lease'. I don't know how many acts you have come into contact with in the last few years but I already said that I know most of them for the last 40. Just off the top of my head Merle, Charlie Daniels, George Jones, Brooks and Dunn, Marty Stewart, Reba, Vern Gosdin, Travis Tritt... and these are just the ones that I have personally traveled with. Most country acts, when they get established, buy their own buses.
Yeah, Eagle can rust. But luckily they are easy to fix if they do. But not all Eagles rust. I just bought an Eagle that was a NJ transit and it has no rust. New Jersey! The rust belt! True, Eagle was a poorly run company. After only 20-some years and 8000 buses, they closed shop. But that has nothing to do with these guys. These guys are brand new. If not for Greyhound and being bought out over and over, MCI wouldn't be much different. As a matter of fact, aren't they in bankruptcy now. Maybe we can start posting in every MCI thread about what a bunch of losers they are?
Yes, two years. You were wrong. Do you KNOW they are not making buses? Or are you just saying that you aren't seeing any ads and pictures on their website? I kinda figure that like I do the President. I figure he sees stuff that I don't see so knows more about what is going on than I do. But then, he needs to because he is the one making the decisions.
I just hope that in the end, you can give them credit for a nice product. I know I wouldn't want to take one what they have done. I think they deserve a little credit and support. Beyond that... We all know how you feel. You've told us and told us and told us. You don't have to keep repeating it in every Eagle thread...
Enjoy your trip. And we will enjoy the Eagle peace.
Have fun in Branson, Clifford. Wish I could be there.
Didn't upset me, Dave. I think you are probably on the right track. My point is that there are many possible reasons other than 'the owners are full of crap' and it is not really fair to be spouting that on the internet. No more than it is to say that Eagles suck. They didn't become the icon they did by sucking. Like I said, and you said too, MCI is in trouble but I am not going to start bashing them in MCI threads. Not to mention the fact that Doug, nor most of us, really know whether or not Eagle is building anything. Clifford probably knows more than any of us.
And I apologize for the rant. I'm done now.
tekebird,
When I read your posts regarding Eagles I just smile and move on. ;)
I'm just grateful that Clifford keeps me informed as to what is going on with Silver Eagle Manufacturing.
And you wonder why no one shares information whith you regarding Eagles? Think about it for a while.
Paul
Oh boy I really hate to step in here, because I don't have any boots on and it's quite messy. But I must point out the fact that Kassbohrer was the original designer and manufacturer of the EAGLE! Now they did in fact sell out to whom ever, who sold to whom ever and so on! But the FACT remains the same Kassbohrer was the originator! And Kassbohrer is in fact still building a refined version of the original in the form of SETRA! So just because some one mismanaged the Eagle after Setra sold out, doesn't mean the whole concept or vehicle is bad! SETRA is still around and shipping buses daily to the US from Germany! FWIW ;D BK ;D
OK I'm off my soap box now!
By the way how is that ugly EAGLE coming along? LOL!
Teke, the 2 years you wagered on is about up Feb will be 2 years since your post.Anybody can stop into SilverEagle and see for themself what is going on catch Craig or his brother and you may get a free lunch.I stop in every time I am down there the last time I was there he was building a 37ft model for a Saudi, this is a hard working family doing it their way knowing they are not going to get rich and produce 150 buses a year. good luck ps Dale I am still on jury duty in AZ no Branson for me
I suppose that based on Teke's opinion then Chevrolet is full of crap and closing shop, after all the camaro is two years past due on its release date. Maybe Teke was traumatized at an early age by an Eagle, maybe he is just an unhappy person in general. In the short time I have been on this board I have noticed the trend that while quite knowledgable in many areas his opinion is 'everything we have had is better than anything you have and no one is right but me'. Even when proven wrong he wont admit to it. Personally I have an Eagle. Why? because I wanted one. I did not want an MCI or Prevost but will freely admit that they build a nice product. Every coach has issues, some big, some small but they are all flawed in some way. So What. that is what makes it nice that we can all chose which flaws we want to live with. As for Craig and Eagle, I for one applaud them for have the guts to take on the challange and while we can all be critics unless we want to put our time and money out on the line then we should limit our critique of there actions. No one has to like that they are working to revive Eagle but to make it our lifes mission to insult there every move makes a big statement of ones character.
just my $.02, but what do I know? I am just a dumb redneck Eagle owner.
steve
To quote the great Charlie Daniels.. a fine American and personal friend, I might add...
"What this world needs is a few more rednecks..."
I never realized you were from Dahlonega, Steve. I'm a misplaced Dalton boy myself. But one of these days the highways will lead me back to my North GA home to stay.
Hey Songman,
Originally I am from Jollyville, Texas. then went to florida, georgia, north carolina, back to florida and now back to georgia up here in the mountains. I love it up here as it reminds me of where I grew up (outside Austin) and the folks up here are great. If you make it back this way let me know.
steve
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Guy's, there is no room for personal attacks here..
Nick-
If any of you ever meet these people you would be impressed with their efforts,Craig sent Featherlite a drawing for the frame work on my 15 when I was having my slides installed and saved me over 3 grand in engineering fees and would not let me pay the FedEx charges if the guy build buses or not he is one super dude in my opinion if I need a .15 cent item it comes from him
have a great evening
I was on the phone with them this afternoon trying to find out information about the 20. Very helpful and didn't mind spending time on the phone to help me sort out the problem even though I didn't buy anything from them.
Steve, you sound like me. I started in GA, then to CO, then back to GA, to FL, back to GA, to MO, to AR, back to GA, to TN, to TX, back to TN, then to CA. We still visit the family in Dalton as often as we can. And I take my CA girls through the mountains in North GA and then up into the Smokies every time we come home.
I've been away from my bus for awhile now, it was one of those periods where you just have to stop and do something different! I'm surprised I didn't comment here before, I know that Eagle makes a fine bus, I know the original designs for Eagle and Prevost were by the same people! Teke, who knows why you say the things you do, I know they aren't warrented! A bus, is a bus, is a bus! If you're a real busnut then you pretty well like them all!
To start and build a business in today's economy has to be difficult and envolves lots of hard work and dedication! Rome wasn't built in a day, its to easy to sit here day in and out tearing other peoples accomplishments apart! When any Bus Company goes out of business it is a loss for all of us, so when you cheer a closing or mistake, you are hurting yourself!
That said, I'm back and working my apologies for loafing, I just needed a breath of fresh air!
Wow Pat! I haven't looked at your site in a while. You've made a lot of progress since last time I looked. Looking good! And you are using a Hurricane too. I'll be watching that with interest and see if I can learn something from you for when the time comes to mount mine.
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Guy's, there is no room for personal attacks here
Thanks
Nick-
:-X
I think I will go have a cup of coffee!
I'm back, man that was sure good! ;)
Dale, Hurry up and get that Eagle website forum going.....Please..... ::)
From a Proud Eagle Owner!
PS
Almost forgot,
Welcome back Doug.
Tekebird, everyone knows how you feel, is it really necessary for you to continually state it over and over? You sound like a parrot lol. You've shot yourself in the foot on the bus ownership issues tho, songman is right, most artists usually lease at the beginning and if they start to make a name normally they buy, I've been involved in the music industry since the middle 70's in one manner of another, I've been a sound engineer for a few of the best, even thru out the time frame I worked for the state I still maintained contact with my friends and the great majority of them own their buses. I do know a handfull that lease but the great majority do own theirs. We realize how tramatic it would be for you if eagle did well, you've piled up an aweful lot of crow to eat if that were to happen. I'm sorry for all the bird references lol, but this constant eagle bashing just doesn't fit my craw. oops sorry again lol.
Doug, nobody started attacking you simply because you left. If you look at the chronology, people started attacking you while you were still here. The fact that you left has nothing to do with it. The fact that people are growing more and more tired of EVERY Eagle thread being ripped apart by you has everything to do with it. But I really don't think any of us need to wait for you to leave to do it. I think people are just now hitting the threshold where it is getting really annoying.
Others have pointed out that the shape the economy is in right now probably has a lot to do with Eagle being behind on their timeframe. But obviously, such things are below a man of your means so you probably didn't even notice. BTW - you're beloved MCI is filing bankruptcy in case you missed that jewel as well.
Again, let me congratulate you on never being behind on a project. You are indeed a miracle man. All the rest of us have real world hurdles we have to deal with that might make us run behind. I was 15 minutes late today just trying to drive to L.A.. I can't imagine what it must be like to try to resurrect a legendary bus in just two years in a depressed economy. But I hope if I ever do undertake such a lofty project that I will have someone just like you there wishing for my failure and constantly pointing out my problems no matter how small. You are an inspiration to us all.
Thanks Cody for verifying what I said. Doug knew that I didn't say that EVERYONE owned their buses. but that most leased when they were starting out but bought when they achieved any amount of success. He just had to rearrange the words a bit so he could appear to be right.
And yes, Doug, obviously there are a lot of us who do find it interesting that Eagle is being reborn, at whatever pace Craig and the gang can get it done. That is why there is so much fodder on here for your constant attacks.
I apologize to everyone else on here for sounding like such a hard @$#, but why should Doug be the only one who doesn't have to care whose feelings he steps on? And yes, Doug, please do start your corporation. Sink every bit of money that you have into a project trying to resurrect something from the ground up. And see how it feels when the rest of us belittle every move you make and even when you do have small successes, we change our tune just enough to keep you a failure. Then you might understand what you are doing to the folks at Eagle.
Us Eagle Owners are pretty sensitive and protective on our chosen coach, just like owners of MCI, Prevost and GMC. Along with Setra and others. (I almost forgot, sorry BK!).
How many Eagle Owners are posting here on this board? Not as many who own them that's for sure. (And that is a sad fact). Most of them are too busy working on their coach, cruising around this great country, helping other Eagle Owners and one last thing. Not getting involved in any negative discussions related to their beloved beasts. It serves no purpose and pisses them off.
Doug, you got real protective, defensive and angry when you read some negative posts regarding how you feel about Eagles. Put the shoe on the other foot.
It is just sad that you said the only thing you said negative about Eagles is that they are prone to rust. Not true! Go back and read your responses, they are full of negative comments about Eagles and the new owners of Silver Eagle. I don't see you posting demeaning, negative comments about any other brand like you have done with Eagle.
The worst thing is this, "A person who doesn't know he doesn't know"
Paul,
A Very Proud Eagle Owner in spite of the red dust! ;D And you seem to rustle some feathers. ;)
Paul, I'm done with this. Either Doug doesn't know that he is making himself look bad in his pursuit of making Eagle look bad, or he doesn't care. It is not worth a moments more stress to me. I feel kinda like gumpy feels about the political threads. I would hate to see anyone run off from this forum because one person feels he has to belittle a certain kind of bus at every mention. But that is what is happening. But we will have a safe haven to talk about Eagles soon enough.
Quote from: Songman on October 07, 2008, 07:05:00 AM
Paul, I'm done with this. Either Doug doesn't know that he is making himself look bad in his pursuit of making Eagle look bad, or he doesn't care. It is not worth a moments more stress to me. I feel kinda like gumpy feels about the political threads. I would hate to see anyone run off from this forum because one person feels he has to belittle a certain kind of bus at every mention. But that is what is happening. But we will have a safe haven to talk about Eagles soon enough.
Yeah but some of us won't be allowed! Even if our buses are REFINED Eagles! LOL! ;D BK ;D
Quote from: Busted Knuckle on October 07, 2008, 07:31:20 AM
Quote from: Songman on October 07, 2008, 07:05:00 AM
Paul, I'm done with this. Either Doug doesn't know that he is making himself look bad in his pursuit of making Eagle look bad, or he doesn't care. It is not worth a moments more stress to me. I feel kinda like gumpy feels about the political threads. I would hate to see anyone run off from this forum because one person feels he has to belittle a certain kind of bus at every mention. But that is what is happening. But we will have a safe haven to talk about Eagles soon enough.
Yeah but some of us won't be allowed! Even if our buses are REFINED Eagles! LOL! ;D BK ;D
BK, Thanks for the smile.......You are one standup dude! ;D
Paul
I just got off the phone with Dan at Silver Eagle.
They are very happy with the way things are going. He spoke at great length about the 25 and a 15 they are building.
I'm very satisfied that they will succeed and they know what they are doing. It was great to hear the excitement in his voice.
If someone wants to know more they will have to go visit or call and talk with Dan or Craig. I do not have the authority to share any other information, so please do not ask.
By the way, Dan reads the posts quite often and he gets a kick out of some of the replies. ;D
Paul
Ok my turn ,first BK iwill stay behind and talk eagles withya buddy LOL if no one else will LOL next doug all I got to say is I'm suprised that a man about town who is always in the know about every body elses buisness does not know much when it comes to the silver eagle mfg boys.Any one truly in the know gets that way not by makin up s---t or taking hear say for fact,but by getting out meeting with and talking to company owners in person ,cause as every one here knows that silver eagle is right on track and on target with their plans to revive the eagle .I own an eagle too and if your intenion is to and play mental mind midget with every one who owns one for some sick pleasure or because one might have cut you off (probably on purpose)by accident and has hardened your heart towards eagles i'm sorry GET OVER IT! and start by being a productive member of this board by not posting threads that you know will push every ones buttons but instead post things that we can all get something out of instead of ahead ache .now back to your room ,and no milk and cookies till you've learned your lessons.last but not least Eagle owners and those (BK) distant relatives of the eagle bus don't let this angry ,insulting mislead individual ruffle your feathers (I hear his cry for help and his yurning to fit in)cause He knows not what he speaks.
I think if we all came together and gave doug a big ol hug he is bound to see the errors of his way,remember when you grow up you can have an eagle too.Just my buck 3.80's worth and will now return to lurking in the shadows of your mind.HAVE A NICE DAY(really!)LOL
you know your in front
when your getting kicked in the rear,Hi paul,Hi all! bye doug
Van
Whew! Glad I could only afford a GM. :-X
again I am not trying to make them look bad...they are doing that themselves.
talking to the owners of Silver Eagle is as much akin to going to the CEO of AIG and asking them if they were doing OK just before they took a $#!%.
Nobody in business is going to tell someone from Joe Public they are seconds away from disaster.
I know Eagle people like thier Eagles just Like Flx People like thier flxes, but Damn.......you guys jump to the defense from minute one.
If you go way way back and look at my initial eagle thread it was about factual issues with the coach....and some Eagle nut ( Busnut who likes Eagles) came running to the defense of the fallen flag. This was prior to Silver Eagle.
Interesting to me you don;t see other brand loyalist getting so damn defensive.
as for being the man around town and knowing everything...I have stated before I don;t claim to that........but seems nobody in the bus industry knows what goes on down in S TX. at Silver Eagle. when I start seeing reliable reports from independant industry people, not PRess releases generated by Silver Eagle I will start to beleive they may make a go of it.
as for the person who made the attack on me, saying I have mental Heath issues.......be it while I was online or after I went to MI.......the point is it was uncalled for and not in the spirit of the board.
those of you who know I don;t care for the eagle and am happy to point out thier problems as well as those of Silver Eagle manufacturing ( even if those problems are being seen by only my eyes as everyone else is looking through rose colored glasses. Don;t read my posts. That simple!
All my posts are clearly identified by my user name. save yourself the raised bloodpressure and pass over it.
Eagles are rust prone and do have parts availability issues.
Please also make note of my civil but clearly correct and good advice given about the 54 01
;)
No Need to reply as I really could give a rats @$#
If I won the lottery or something and could afford a new bus my first call would be to Silver Eagle to get a model 25 shell. The biggest issue would probably be the lead time.
I really like torsion suspensions over dealing with air suspensions, but I suppose a new bus should not have any air suspension issues. I also like the squared off interior. I want a motorhome to be practical. I don't care if it looks like a bus or not. An Eagle model 25 will still be way better than a stick and staples.
Old buses are going to be hard to get parts for regardless if they be Eagle, GM, or Flx (even Dina). A lot of the MCIs are easier to get parts for just because so many were made, but ask an MC-5 owner about some of the parts.
http://www.cptdb.ca/index.php?s=c46b385b69cbe5806a8962e5e54b5d95&showtopic=4297&st=0&p=112006&#entry112006
4 photos of the interior if you want to call them that
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=269036377&albumId=912579
Tekebird, you truly are an amazing person, I have completely lost the last shred of respect I had for you and at one time it was a lot. I'm done.
Quote from: tekebird on October 09, 2008, 04:20:50 PM
4 photos of the interior if you want to call them that
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=269036377&albumId=912579
I didn't see know interior pics! All I saw was some country sing'n chick who can't even afford a decent pair of blue jeans with out rips and tears in them! ;D BK ;D
Quote from: tekebird on October 09, 2008, 03:55:22 PM
1).....but seems nobody in the bus industry knows what goes on down in S TX. at Silver Eagle. when I start seeing reliable reports from independant industry people, not PRess releases generated by Silver Eagle I will start to beleive they may make a go of it.
2)those of you who know I don;t care for the eagle and am happy to point out thier problems as well as those of Silver Eagle manufacturing ( even if those problems are being seen by only my eyes as everyone else is looking through rose colored glasses. Don;t read my posts. That simple!
3)All my posts are clearly identified by my user name. save yourself the raised bloodpressure and pass over it.
4)Eagles are rust prone and do have parts availability issues.
No Need to reply as I really could give a rats @$#
I'll only respond to selected parts of your post since you don't give a rat's @$#..
1) Didn't you leave off the last couple of lines?
But in the meantime I will belittle them in every post that mentions Silver Eagle. I will also post my opinions as fact and state stuff that I know nothing about as fact. Clifford knows. Richard knows. I guess you are more in the bus industry than they are though, huh?
2) Yeah, we know. Yet you ONLY point out the problems with Eagle. Repeatedly. Constantly. Other buses have problems too yet you choose to ignore those because that would take away your Eagle Bashing time. And trust me.. I don't read your posts. No matter how helpful you might be on other matters. Because when it comes to Eagle you are full of crap and that ruins any amount of helpfulness you could be. Sorta like a really beautiful girl with a crappy personality. She's still just not worth it.
3) The problem is that you don't limit your venom to just your posts. You take them anywhere Eagle is mentioned. It should be painfully obvious by reading this thread, even to someone so obviously as full of themselves as you are, that people are fed up with it. You were right about this being a friendly and helpful forum, but you are running people off with your attitudes and you are just wrong.
4) As has been said before, all old buses have problems. I just bought a 19 year old Eagle from New Jersey. Guess what? It has no rust in it. I know that kills you to learn that... And as for the second part of your statement: Silver Eagle Manufacturing is trying to help with parts availability but you are not man enough to give them any credit for anything.
Doug, it is painfully obvious that you don't give a rat's @$#. You don't give a rat's @$# about anyone's feelings but yours. You don't give a rat's @$# that you make people on this forum feel uncomfortable. You don't give a rat's @$# that you don't know what the hell you are talking about when it comes to Silver Eagle Manufacturing. Your attitude proves all of that. And I would wager that most of us don't give a rat's @$# about what you think about Eagle. What we do care about is how you continually trash up this forum. Be glad I am not a moderator here.
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Nick-
Dale, that's to funny, we were both typing our resposes at the same time.........
You know what they say... Great minds and all...
Steve, we have the approval of the Board and Officers of the Club. I just want to get a few last cosmetic touches on it and then it will be open for business. If not tomorrow, by Saturday it should be open.
And I do moderate that one so we will not have to put up with stuff like this.
You,guys should put this to rest I have had my rounds with Teke and now I don't waste my time to reply, but that's my way good luck
You're right, Clifford. Some people just can't help themselves.
Dale, send me a link when you get going and I will join up...... ;)
It's ok Clifford, I have put it to rest now..... I will be taking a break from this board for a while now....
I cant help it as I have fell head over heels for my Eagle....... ;D
.........Kentucky Steve ............
Doug, You crossed the line with the post on 57 Eagle by Peabody. I have had it with your crap. I, along with Steve, now understand why you do this. This has to stop, and stop now. If I was a moderator you would be banned forever from this forum. You have ruined a great discussion regarding a great coach.
I don't really care what you think anymore, I am done with you..
I have tried to be pleasant, that didn't work. Now I won't have to worry about being nice to someone who doesn't know anything about Silver Eagle.
You have disrespected not only Silver Eagle, but every owner of one. I take that quite personally.
A Very Happy and Proud Silver Eagle Owner!
Paul T. Lawry
This bus belongs to a proud owner,MESS WITH IT AND FIND OUT ! I'm done LOL
lurking eagle
Guy's,
I'm not going to read 7 pages to find why insults are flying in this thread...
Instead, I will lock it down.
Nick-