on a 8V92 can you change just the filter without draining the oil. I changed the oil 2000 miles ago and discovered the oil filter is leaking. I am going to try to snug the filter down to see if that will work, if not then I will change the filter. Thanks for any thoughts on this.
ED
Quote from: edvanland on December 17, 2017, 12:18:07 PMon a 8V92 can you change just the filter without draining the oil. I changed the oil 2000 miles ago and discovered the oil filter is leaking. I am going to try to snug the filter down to see if that will work, if not then I will change the filter. Thanks for any thoughts on this.
ED
Yes you can change the filter without draining the oil. Just top off to replace the oil that was removed with the old filter.
Ps. Make sure the oring comes off with the filter and does not stay stuck to the mount plate. Two orings in there will not seal properly.
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There is no oil flow or pressure if engine is not running. Your filter is a spin on? Be sure old filter ring didn't stick to casting causing a doubling of gaskets. If it has steel canisters, make sure the old flat gasket was removed before installing replacement that comes with insert filter. That type uses a long bolt to secure and should be tightened with torque wrench. By hand, and it usually isn't tight enough. Back to spin on; try giving it another 1/8 the turn, 1/4 at most. Some times filters can leak when cold weather hits and oil is stiff with high pressure but were ok before. If tightening doesn't help, try another element. Of course, make sure leak isn't above or behind filter and running down it, making it looking to be the source.
I pre fill the filter with new oil before I spin it on
dave
Some folks claim oil never wears out. They only change the oil filter on a regular basis. I am not that much of a believer and don't want to take that chance, but they change their filters all of the time without draining the oil. I am not sure if they pre-fill their filters with new oil or just use the same old oil that comes out of it. To me, oil is pretty cheap insurance so I change mine every now and then whether it needs it or not.
Ed-- everyone is warning you about the old gasket sticking to the filter base. That is probably the problem. Or is really loose!
--Geoff
Thanks all. No I made sure the old o ring was not left on. I was able to get under and turn it almost a full turn so now will wait and see what happens. Gary I always change oil on a regular basis on all my vehicles.
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Quote from: edvanland on December 18, 2017, 08:51:12 AM
Thanks all. No I made sure the old o ring was not left on. I was able to get under and turn it almost a full turn so now will wait and see what happens. Gary I always change oil on a regular basis on all my vehicles.
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for most filters that would be over tightened ....
The "wearing out" of the oil itself is not the reason for regular oil change intervals, but rather the breaking down of the additive package and the introduction of foreign material into the oil through component wear, moisture, dirty air ingestion, etc.
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After 33 years in the aircraft business,, I can say, oil has always been cheaper than parts.>>>Dan
Well finally got the time to run Greydog up on blocks and then pulled the filter. Made sure the old O ring was off and then really cleaned the surfaces where the O ring fits. Checked for any sign of damage and then reinstalled a new filter, tightened it by had, as recommended, and started it up, no leaks so it just had gotten to be a loose filter and the seal must have gotten damaged. Could not see any damage to the old O ring but I am happy.
Glad you are happy Ed. I love seeing happy faces in Quartzsite. ;D
When changing a spin on filter, prefill the oil filter with fresh oil before spinning it on. It takes several seconds for the oil filter to fill with oil and for the engine to get oil pressure again once you start the engine. Good Luck, TomC
Also take a little bit of oil on your finger and wipe the gasket so it isn't dry, keeps it from sticking/ripping when tightening it.
Yes I did prefill the oil filter and I did put fresh oil on the gasket so it wasn't dry.
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Oh and Ed, you turn it clockwise to screw it on. That is looking at it from the bottom. If you look at it from the top, that would be counterclockwise. If you're left handed, that complicates matters... If you're hung over, that makes it hard to tell which way...
This board is full of experts always ready to help.
Sorry, cabin fever here: -30C and snowing, and driving my son to the airport in an hour...
JC
You forgot to mention " threaded end up towards engine"
And, Ed, you must shore up your bus, even though it is on ramps, an airbag could burst! Plus you must have a permit from the city and county for the repair, and that your ramps and structure are earthquake and flood proof.
Don't forget all the PPE: hard hat, ear protection, safety glasses, steel toed boots. Fire extinguisher near by.
JC
Prior to Bus work, make sure you rotate your tires for maximum efficiency and adjust your Slacks. ;D
I have never understood why they say to adjust your slacks. :o
What do your pants have to do with it anyway? ::)
Adjusting your slacks is only for the well-endowed.
Now I know why I had so much trouble I had the treaded end down, the oil kept running out, didn't have my slacks adjusted properly and the dam OSHA inspector would not get out of the way. Damn you guys are good. HAPPY NEW YEAR
OH Ed you said that word "OSHA inspector" Now that changes things. You will need to put up nets around the oil filter and connect a lifeline fall protection to yourself so you don't fall off the ground while installing protective barriers around the whole Bus with wind restraints at all bumpers to hold it from floating up over you. :o Glad I could help...
Wasn't there an EPA guy poking his head around the corner too?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: Dave5Cs on December 30, 2017, 01:53:40 PMOH Ed you said that word "OSHA inspector" Now that changes things. You will need to put up nets around the oil filter and connect a lifeline fall protection to yourself so you don't fall off the ground while installing protective barriers around the whole Bus with wind restraints at all bumpers to hold it from floating up over you. :o Glad I could help...
And wear a hairnet.
The EPA guy likes hairnet too? ::)
OSHA LIVES MATTER!
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Believe it or now, we had a neighbor get busted for having a 55 gal oil drum on his property. Hence, I also have a 55 gal drum for old oil, but have a cover over it that you cannot recognize it from up above-either a helicopter, satellite, or drone flying over. Do figure.... Good Luck, TomC
Google Earth is not your friend...
The local tax collector is using the pro version...
Military surplus camo netting should be spiking in price?
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: TomC on January 02, 2018, 07:31:00 AM
Believe it or now, we had a neighbor get busted for having a 55 gal oil drum on his property. Hence, I also have a 55 gal drum for old oil, but have a cover over it that you cannot recognize it from up above-either a helicopter, satellite, or drone flying over. Do figure.... Good Luck, TomC
why ? was it leaking ?
You can store used oil in a 55 gal drum but it has to labeled as Used Oil with the hazardous waste sign if stored out side it has to be in a rack cannot be on the ground and requires a overflow pan under it and a drum cover to prevent water from entering the drum lol they don't trust the barrel plugs.
EPA has some screwy rules pertaining to used oil, it is a real PITA so is their antifreeze bs.Being in CA who knows what screwy laws they have pertaining to used oil storage they may want the drum encased in concrete
Quote from: luvrbus on January 02, 2018, 11:53:33 AM
You can store used oil in a 55 gal drum but it has to labeled as Used Oil with the hazardous waste sign if stored out side it has to be in a rack cannot be on the ground and requires a overflow pan under it and a drum cover to prevent water from entering the drum lol they don't trust the barrel plugs.
EPA has some screwy rules pertaining to used oil, it is a real PITA so is their antifreeze bs.Being in CA who knows what screwy laws they have pertaining to used oil storage they may want the drum encased in concrete
We sold oil (a jobber) and we leased waste oil furnaces...so we burned our own oil. we just leased it to you..sorta.
A lot of places you can't "collect" used oil to burn, only burn your own...
and now days a lot of muni contracts say they have to use a % of recycled oil...
back when oil changes were done in a ditch in the pit and then fed into the asphalt plant...
and the shop drains were injected into the turbine exhaust...or fed into the crude pipeline..
i think 45 is going to bring those days back.. :) deregulation :)
I burn my own used motor oil in the wood stove in my shop. Drips from a barrel above the stove. Good way to get rid of it. It is less of a carbon foot print than driving it to the collection place, where it gets driven again to the recyclers, etc.
JC
Good point JC. They sure do waste a lot of oil driving that old oil to recycling centers. ;D
We used our old oil and old tires on the farm when I was when I was growing up in NH to start brush fires on rainy days and in the snow as we were always clearing land. We also burned all of our trash in a burn barrel so nothing went to waste. Not sure that is even legal now.
Quote from: Gary Hatt - Publisher BCM on January 02, 2018, 04:36:11 PM
Good point JC. They sure do waste a lot of oil driving that old oil to recycling centers. ;D
We used our old oil and old tires on the farm when I was when I was growing up in NH to start brush fires on rainy days and in the snow as we were always clearing land. We also burned all of our trash in a burn barrel so nothing went to waste. Not sure that is even legal now.
we used a lot for chainsaw bar oil.
i grew up in S. central NH.
I used old oil for an older bulldozer hydraulic system in Northern New Hampshire. Looks like everyone who used to live in New Hampshire was a frugal Yankee.
Oh the pollution Police are on the way. In California they drive the oil with Prius trucks and sometimes hand carry it on their heads in a basket to dump it into a pile of feathers that are dried and shipped to Arizona to make pillows. ;D
Dave, how in the world do you keep up with all the new laws passed in CA,living so close I try too because I don't want any crap going from AZ to CA daily, it's stupid a law that prevents people from buying ammo on line so they have to pay retail prices.lol now you are going to need to change the lights in your bus by 2020
I used to spread the used oil on the dirt road in front of my house. If you remember they used to spray used oil on dirt roads to hold down the dust. And to think all I ask to start with was can you change the oil filter without draining the oil.
Quote from: edvanland on January 03, 2018, 08:54:28 AM
I used to spread the used oil on the dirt road in front of my house. If you remember they used to spray used oil on dirt roads to hold down the dust. And to think all I ask to start with was can you change the oil filter without draining the oil.
Not only did you get the answer now you know how to handle the old oil according to the EPA ,lol disposing of the old filter wasn't covered care to tell us what you did with it ED :o
Filed it under file #13 now in the dump. I did drain the oil out of it first
Quote from: luvrbus on January 03, 2018, 08:02:27 AM
Dave, how in the world do you keep up with all the new laws passed in CA,living so close I try too because I don't want any crap going from AZ to CA daily, it's stupid a law that prevents people from buying ammo on line so they have to pay retail prices.lol now you are going to need to change the lights in your bus by 2020
Clifford, Learned a long time ago to not pay attention to the new laws, LOL There are only a few new ones this year. You have to remember Governor Med-Fly will be out of office soon and then maybe we can get past his high speed train that ain't gonna happen (Legacy) and all the laws he made could be reversed if the people here would just stop voting for the same old people and get some conservative people in there that would do something. California is a great place to live as far as the sites and rivers, the mountains, the snow, the ocean, the food, entertainment and the arts. The Government here not so much...And as usual they are raising the Vehicle registration tax this year to a starting fee per vehical $25.00 to 175.00 depending on its age, so they can cover all their little programs. We already have the highest taxes and now they stab us with more.
That is also why we live in West Roseville and not San Francisco, Home of the Bleeding Hearts, :o ;D
I can fill the missing answer of what the EPA wants you to do with your used oil filters. You are supposed to let them drain for 24 hours, then crush them to get the remaining oil out of them. After that, you are allowed to put them in the trash. I have a oil filter crusher in my shop that cost about $5,000 new, it is rated at 24,000 tons., and is big enough for truck and bus oil filters.
My oil filters make a trip through the coal furnace, then to trash or scrap barrel
Remember I have seen your oil filter crusher. I does a great job on 8 or 10 beer cans at a time.