Hello New Friends!
Given that my previous thread on "Thousand Trails prevented my entry and worse" was getting lengthy and slightly tangential, I thought I'd start a new thread.
The background: I've been a happy Thousand Trails Elite/Platinum member since October 2016, living in my bus conversion, staying three-weeks-in-one-week-out of a Thousand Trails resort in Northern California. You can see an video of my bus conversion here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UyFxBvsREw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UyFxBvsREw) (at this point, over 311,000 people have viewed it).
I'm a responsible, respectable, safety-conscious, highly conscientious person: the kind who goes beyond the requirements, rather than trying to undercut or get around rules. I have excellent relationships with all of the Thousand Trails rangers at my "usual" resort, which is why the behavior of a "Mean Manager" at a different TT resort - the Thousand Trails Morgan Hill resort - was so shocking.
After asking me a series of questions about my rig and how it functioned (the same rig that's been accepted into Thousand Trails resorts for over a year), she not only denied me entry, but wrote my bus up as a violation to headquarters. (See the transcript of the letter below).
Note that Thousand Trails (or perhaps I should say "Thousand TRIALS) did not call me to discuss the issue. They did not email me. And in their letter, [/b]they do not provide any details of why or how my rig did not meet their standards and gave me no information or specific details about what was wrong, or what I need to do to change, alter, or fix things. [/b]
(The only reason I have any clue of what might be wrong is based on a verbal reading of notes made on my record by a sympathetic, frustrated TT staff member who was disgusted at how I was being treated.)
Below is the exact text of the letter Thousand Trails sent to me.
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"I am writing in reference to the vehicle you currently use to camp in.
The current definition, in our member rules, for camping vehicle is the following: "Camping vehicle" and/or "recreational vehicle" means any vehicle that comfortably sleeps one or more persons overnight on an extended basis. We recognize motor homes, travel trailers, folding trailers, pickup campers and conversion vans as camping vehicles and/or recreational vehicles. Camping vehicles must be operable and in good conditions as determined in our discretion."
That being said, the camping vehicle you currently use to camp does not meet Thousand Trails standards and therefore you will not be allowed to camp in this vehicle for any future reservations at any Thousand Trails preserve.
Please consider this letter as notification that your membership has been temporarily suspended until you have a camping vehicle that meets Thousand Trails standards. During this time you can still use your membership for day use, tent camping or rental usage, but your current camping vehicle will not be allowed in any Thousand Trails Preserve.
Should this continue, your membership may be suspended further or terminated and you will not be allowed access to any Thousand Trails preserve as a member and/or guest.
In closing, I appreciate your understanding and compliance regarding this suspension and sincerely hope that you understand the severity of these incidents.
Sincerely,
Leslie Blackwell
Member Services Manager"
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Yes, I will (eventually) respond to that letter, once I decide how to do so. My goal is not just to make things better for myself, but for ALL of us. As I've said elsewhere, I want everyone who has chosen to live part-time or full-time in bus conversions to be happy, healthy, safe, and welcomed far and wide.
I want to be part of the solution. I can't do it on my own. Is there anyone out there who has ideas about how to create some sort of voluntary health & safety check-list for bus conversions? I don't mean the simple "presence/absence" DMV checklist - i.e., is there a sleeping area/heater/sink etc. but more of: are there smoke/CO2 detectors, fire extinguishers, electrician-approved wiring, etc.
OR, ask I asked before, where can we go to have our bus conversions certified as meeting the same standards as something that rolled off a factory line?
you do know that you are beating a dead horse on a platform that can do little more than sympathize with you...... ???
I agree with your goals and I understand your feelings. However, it appears that TT has a "loose" definition; IMO your vehicle meets that definition but they've chosen to allow one (mean, nasty, evil) person to make a discriminatory decision and "corporate" has backed them up on it. I honestly don't know what you can do, in a practical perspective.
As a fairly newcomer to our activity, you may not know that there are many people out there who travel around in rolling junkyards. The RV park industry has had a history of problems of all sorts from such "guests" and they've developed ways to keep those people out of their properties. It is certainly a good thing for them to keep unsafe vehicles out of their parks and they're trying to avoid things like someone parking a worthless vehicle on their property and just walking away.
The industry has developed ordinances and agreements with local enforcement (zoning, safety, police) to enshrine these policies and most have wording on their rental agreements that enforces these practices. Unfortunately, in trying to hit every person who may be a problem, they sometimes shoot innocent people. We (those of us with longer experience) know that. It's a fact.
You've run up against a perfect storm - and industry used to being able to discriminate (fairly and reasonably or not) and an overenthusiastic (not to mention mean, nasty, evil) person who has been delegated power. The RVIA sticker is supposed to be a simple way for someone to know it's a "real" RV and not something that someone put together with junk extension cords and duct tape in their back yard. Most simple solutions have serious limitations and this is a good example.
I think your best (practical) resource is to respond to the person sending you the letter. Send photos, statements from your solar installer and other professionals who worked on your bus, lists/photos of your safety equipment, etc. and state that his company has unfairly and unreasonable discriminated against you and ask that he/she reverse the ruling in that letter.
But changing the "corporate atmosphere" that allows for discriminatory activity on a widespread basis? I'm sorry, I don't see that happening.
Dr. P,
I'm not a legal professional. But the way I read the terms that one agrees with when joining TT is they have full right to determine if "Camping vehicles must be operable and in good conditions as determined in our discretion."
There does not appear any way either for you to claim a refund if you so desired as the only escape is in the initial few days.
And TT will state you have no right to claim a refund if your camping vehicle does not meet their standard. TT will say we gladly honor your membership if you just "follow the rules". I.E. arrive at preserve with a camping vehicle that meets their standard. She clearly states the ban on "this vehicle".
The fact some preserves are fine and others are not is still within their discretion, there is no language stating it is universal across all preservers all the time.
There was some earlier mention of an RVIA sticker, ensuring the RV was produced by a member that adheres to a set of standards to which you allude. Most commercial RV vehicles are members but not all as I highlighted earlier that nearly all super high end coaches, those costing one to two and half million dollars are not RVIA members. Either way, it is their discretion to set any standard adhoc.
RVIA standards are numerous as listed here. http://www.rvia.org/?ESID=standards (http://www.rvia.org/?ESID=standards)
There is no practical path to getting your converted shuttle bus to RVIA standards.
Frankly, if you choose to stay with TT, you may want to seriously consider just buying a used name brand RV to overcome the immediate issue. There are other programs like escapees and passport america that offer some discounting but not to the extent that TT offers, assuming you can use it.
Good luck
Quote from: eagle19952 on December 14, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
you do know that you are beating a dead horse on a platform that can do little more than sympathize with you...... ???
I'm curious - why is trying to help all of us advance "beating a dead horse"?
Quote from: The Champion Challenger on December 14, 2017, 11:04:45 AMI'm curious - why is trying to help all of us advance "beating a dead horse"?
The "right to discriminate" is a way of life with the RV park industry. See my post above for some history about how this happened. TT has made it a part of their contract with 100% of the rights on their side. Sorry, but is indeed "dead".
Quote from: Oonrahnjay on December 14, 2017, 11:00:38 AM
I agree with your goals and I understand your feelings. However, it appears that TT has a "loose" definition; IMO your vehicle meets that definition but they've chosen to allow one (mean, nasty, evil) person to make a discriminatory decision and "corporate" has backed them up on it. I honestly don't know what you can do, in a practical perspective.
As a fairly newcomer to our activity, you may not know that there are many people out there who travel around in rolling junkyards.
(...)
But changing the "corporate atmosphere" that allows for discriminatory activity on a widespread basis? I'm sorry, I don't see that happening.
A very thoughtful response. Thank you. Yes, I am fully aware of the "rolling junkyards" - I've camped next to them in various locations, and feel similar to when I walk my dog in places where people don't pick up their dog poo.
I'm not trying to change a discriminatory corporate atmosphere. Instead, I'm thinking of how we make progress on any innovation becoming approved within society - for example: the tiny house movement, and how tiny homes are becoming more acceptable, while at the same time struggling to obtain zoning permits for their placement...permits which are slowly being approved in different municipalities.
Given the exponential increase in van conversions and bus conversions, along with the fact that interest in conversions is ballooning (YouTube videos featuring these conversions are being viewed by tens of millions of people) - I believe that a call for recognizable, straightforward safety and appearance standards is appropriate and necessary.
I'd be interested to know if you (and others) agree or disagree, and if so, why.
Quote from: windtrader on December 14, 2017, 11:03:32 AM
Dr. P,
I'm not a legal professional. But the way I read the terms that one agrees with when joining TT is they have full right to determine if "Camping vehicles must be operable and in good conditions as determined in our discretion."
(...)
Frankly, if you choose to stay with TT, you may want to seriously consider just buying a used name brand RV to overcome the immediate issue. There are other programs like escapees and passport america that offer some discounting but not to the extent that TT offers, assuming you can use it.
Good luck
Well...I hear you and agree. Yes, I'll do what I can with TT and then move on. But my interest is beyond TT - it's about making van and bus conversions safe and acceptable.
But perhaps I'm the only one who cares about this? Perhaps everyone just wants to go rogue, be rebels, not conform, do their own thing, just see what happens, come what may?
You may find more affinity with the skoolie groups on FB and other forums. Over the road (OTR) "greyhound" bus conversions are a different breed than school or shuttle bus conversions. One reason is some of the most expensive rolling RV palaces are built using OTR shells like the Prevost. So they look a lot more RV than bus.
School/shuttle buses have a generally earned stigma. Many are a cheap way for vagabonds to travel around, throwing all their crap inside and just not having funds or desire to make the outside look really nice. They may feel otherwise since some spend lots of time creating art on their "hippie" bus. Unfortunately, most RV parks don't see the art and only the negatives.
Not standing up for commercial RV parks or TT but they are private enterprises that cater to clients with certain expectations. They meet them in order to maintain healthy occupancy rates and pricing. School buses just have a negative affect on their targeted client base.
Try the schoolie folks, I'd bet they have a lot more to say about your situation and solutions too.
Overall I don't give my money to people/companies that don't want my business. If enough people do this, these people/companies will change or go away.
I have a plan for Dr P.
Buy a cheap Wal Mart tent. Put it up where ever you camp and throw a sleeping bag in it.
Then camp in your rig, and say nothing!
;)
Beyond what has already been said, the RVIA sticker is only applied to new RV's that are manufactured by member companies. There are no programs to certify older RV's that I know of. It is very much like college accreditation, only schools that want to be members of the regional accreditation bodies are accredited. There are quality schools such as Harvard that are not accredited, and they do not seek accreditation. When a shiny Eagle, MCI or Prevost bus conversion (that may have cost hundred's of thousands to 1 point something million dollars) pulls into a campground, their greeting might be different than yours, and they will not have a RVIA sticker. Mechanical condition is one thing, but appearances can overpower any defects in the eyes of campground managers of different intelligence levels.
I have been through virtually every level of camping vehicle from Volkswagen Westfalia's to Eagle's, and the way I was treated when I was in the VW (with four kids and a Newfoundland) does not compare to what it is like now. If the campground thinks you are a "hippie", "counter-culture type", or your vehicle is not of the "norm", you will be treated differently, sooner or later. Construction wise, you are probably better off with your shuttle bus than a stick-built small RV, but appearance-wise, the RV would present less of a barrier. In any event, it looks like Thousand Trails is an outfit that is not necessarily worth dealing with.
If you really want to fix the situation, hire an attorney. TT must be able to iterate in writing why they believe your vehicle does not meet their requirements for admission. If they can't do that, they are in breach of contract and therefore liable.
Hire an attorney.
BTW, I understand your point of view, but frankly, I don't care if you think you're fighting for everyone. You're not. Many of us would never join an organization like that, nor would we ever use one of their facilities. Like so many other things in life, if it sounds like a scam, it probably is a scam.
Quote from: gumpy on December 14, 2017, 12:08:19 PM
If you really want to fix the situation, hire an attorney. TT must be able to iterate in writing why they believe your vehicle does not meet their requirements for admission. If they can't do that, they are in breach of contract and therefore liable.
Hire an attorney.
BTW, I understand your point of view, but frankly, I don't care if you think you're fighting for everyone. You're not. Many of us would never join an organization like that, nor would we ever use one of their facilities. Like so many other things in life, if it sounds like a scam, it probably is a scam.
Gumpy, thanks for your two cents, and for letting me know that I'm on my own.
I think it is about time to move on. If you feel in the right, get a lawyer to fight this. The particulars of this situation, at least bring up several questions since we are only hearing your side. Also at least in my opinion, your " Bus Conversion " is on the fringe of the majority of our group see as normal. We try to recognize all individuals and their ideas as such to a point. Hopefully an article expose on this TT campground does Not materialize in Bus Conversion magazine. There are many places online you can ventilate without both sides testifying. Other than sympathize with your plight, I, at least prefer to leave it there.
I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support. This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us. We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral". Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules. You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.
Quote from: The Champion Challenger on December 14, 2017, 11:04:45 AM
I'm curious - why is trying to help all of us advance "beating a dead horse"?
because all the help and sympathy that can be garnered here has been garnered.
i did offer you the best platform there is...a FB group with the same distaste that you have. Further, they will also let you know where the chips fall. Here all you get is...well you already know.
ps. Define all of us.
Maybe you could paint your bus baby-barf beige and put some of those Nike swooshes on it, just like every generic RV you see these days, and maybe also some pseudo-patriotic missive or an Eagle Rampant airbrushed onto it, and play Country & Western music as you drive up to the gate, then they'll welcome you in with open arms. But why sell your soul just for the sake of appeasing some Big Business BS?
With lots of PV on my bus's roof, I hope to never need to suckle on the teat of corporate beneficence from the likes of Thousand Trials or any other similar RV barrios. Remember Akvol's Second Law of the Corporation: Any action for which there is no logical explanation will be deemed "Company Policy".
John
Quote from: Geoff on December 14, 2017, 06:23:58 PM
I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support. This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us. We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral". Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules. You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.
That appears harsh and discriminatory. I was not aware this site had standards like TT and for a bus to meet the standard it had to meet certain criteria. Maybe you can elaborate so we understand what the BCM policy is.
Quote from: Jon on December 15, 2017, 04:46:27 AM
That appears harsh and discriminatory. I was not aware this site had standards like TT and for a bus to meet the standard it had to meet certain criteria. Maybe you can elaborate so we understand what the BCM policy is.
Yep this sounding more a a elite club that our buses are more special than hers sad to see this no matter how much was spent on the conversion of the bus.Most of us don't belong to TT or another time sharing group lol most of us belong to the Walmart overnight parking association give her a break
Quote from: Geoff on December 14, 2017, 06:23:58 PM
I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support. This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us. We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral". Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules. You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.
Have to agree with Jon on this one. This is maybe not appropriate. I watched her video. While I don't agree with anything she says that's not about her bus, (i.e. all the liberal carbon footprint BS and climate change hoax crap) I will stand by her for her bus conversion. It's a bus. Albeit, not a tour bus, but a bus nonetheless. It's well thought out for her needs and her purposes. That's kind of what it's all about. Doing it your way. Yes, a portable toilet and no shower is not my way, but if it works for her, who am I to criticize that? She has a solar panel, batteries, and inverter. That's a good start to independent living. No, it's not all fully installed and completed. So what? My bus isn't complete. No, she doesn't understand how it all works. Again, so what? Many on here don't understand how their's works, either. Personally, I don't think it's appropriate to be parking your RV on various residential streets and burning a wood stove for heat and cooking, because that's one of the things that gives certain classes of RVs and their occupants a bad reputation. But again, who am I to judge. But I think she has just as much right to be on BCM as any of us. Certainly we've had skoolie conversions and mini-bus conversions on here before. Some didn't last, I think primarily because they soon found there wasn't much they could relate to and found other more appropriate forums to move on to. What she needs to remember is that for every choice, there are consequences which must be accepted as well. She chose this bus. She chose to drop out of society and move into this bus. She has noble reasons for that. But, there are consequences which come with those choices which lie solely with her. As for complaining about the TT thing, I think it's done. She made her complaint, told her story and received sound advice on how to solve it. She shouldn't expect the rest of us to get all infuriated because she feels discriminated against because of the choices she made. We're not going to get involved. This isn't some social justice website. We're mostly all grown-ups here with steady jobs or hard earned savings with an experienced based understanding of reality. She should read the advice provided, choose actions which best meet her needs and control her own destiny. We welcome updates as to the choices she makes and the outcomes thereof.
I think this young lady is rapidly learning the difference between the REAL WORLD,, and the warm fuzzy academic world she has been safely wrapped in until she stepped out of their very rigid line in the sand.>>>Dan ( The Al Gore followers are always amazed when the same rigid/ no compromise thinking bites them in the butt.>>>
I'm trying to figure out how Champion Challenger thought she fit in this group. I don't set the policies of BCM, but I don't think she would make the cover of the magazine, and that is not being elitist.
Quote from: Geoff on December 15, 2017, 09:01:49 AM
... but I don't think she would make the cover of the magazine, ...
Neither would my bus.
Quote from: gumpy on December 15, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
Neither would my bus.
I didn't know you had a shuttle bus?
gumpy very well said paragraph on Dec 14th. She needs to take what info and comments provided and move on with what will meet her needs. BCM is here to help on conversion info and not trash companies or trash other sites. I looked up reviews on TT and there is not much very good to say about them, let the reviews on the internet speak. We are all here to help her for any conversion needs and she should feel free to ask question without any negative comments. Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Season. ;D ;D
Quote from: Jon on December 15, 2017, 04:46:27 AM
That appears harsh and discriminatory. I was not aware this site had standards like TT and for a bus to meet the standard it had to meet certain criteria. Maybe you can elaborate so we understand what the BCM policy is.
that's a pretty far stretch...
more like what the bear did in the buckwheat...
Quote from: Geoff on December 15, 2017, 10:11:56 AM
I didn't know you had a shuttle bus?
I don't (of course you knew that). But what does that have to do with it? This is the Bus Conversion Magazine board, not the OTR BCM, or Transit BCM board. It's not the Bus-Except-For-Shuttle-Buses Conversion Magazine board. The mere fact that the word bus is part of the term "shuttle bus" should clue you in that her choice of bus is not restricted from being in the club. We didn't discriminate against your RTS (which I've always admired) even though it is entirely possible it was a shuttle bus in it's former life. There's a fine line there but as I said before, we've always welcomed all bus conversions here. Most non-traditional converters usually find this forum doesn't fulfill their needs and ultimately find another forum more specific to their style of conversion. But we're not TT and we don't discriminate here. And that's one of the great things about this board.
Craig,
I'm not reading anyone, not a single one of us, discriminating, or disrespecting, the shuttle bus conversion. I think most are just suggesting there are other Internet groups with members sharing more interests, concerns, issues, mechanical support, etc.that the folks who have chose to hang out here. that's all. She is more than welcome to stay but I'm not sure other than the TT issue, most other topics are probably not of much interest to her.
And I don't disagree with any of that.
I didn't think what Geoff said was rude- it rather made me laugh. I don't think he was being discriminatory - I took it as saying that a lot of folks who get vans and shuttle buses can tend to be folks who are vagrant scammer types of people and mooches which our Prof Jeanine obviously isn't. So that made me laugh as did the below.
Quote from: gumpy on December 15, 2017, 07:01:07 AM
....I don't agree with anything she says that's not about her bus, (i.e. all the liberal carbon footprint BS and climate change hoax crap)....
Okay, for the record I stand by my post earlier in this thread. It was written in a very concise manner, where every word is thought out and the delivery is is designed to make a comment. If anyone read my earlier comment's in Jeanie's other thread your can see I was very nice to her. However, when I read a title like:
Reversing discrimination against bus conversions (Thousand Trails & elsewhere)
I had to disagree. What discrimination against "bus conversions"? Does she have a "bus conversion"? I think not. Re-read my post:
I think the people of this BUS conversion group are rising up; and Jeannie, your shuttle bus "conversion" story and TT discrimination is not drawing much support. This group is about "bus conversions" and you moving your studio apartment into a shuttle bus and demanding full rights as an RV'er is not sympathetic to us. We spend a lot of time and money on our bus conversions to make them as nice or better than a house, and we are not "carbon neutral". Homeless people get vehicles like you and dump their waste in sewer drains, or worse, and have become a scourge on society by breaking the rules. You have unwittingly placed yourself in this group.
I think personally, and as part of a group (that I've been a member of for 20 years), that her foray into her idea of converting a shuttle bus and trying to draw us in as her supporters by her mis-leading topic title is what upset me.
It is easy to support causes that speak of discrimination, but it takes a lot more fortitude to stand up and speak your mind. Just look at what is happening in the news lately with women coming out of hole 20-30 years after a real or concocted incident.
--Geoff
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Just look at what is happening in the news lately with women coming out of hole 20-30 years after a real or concocted incident.
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be grateful one of them isn't your daughter...
OK. Geoff, the issue is you bolded the wrong word. It should be THIS rather than BUS. You emphasised that we have buses and shuttles and skoolies are not real buses. If your statement was as you wanted, then you are a big OTR bus conversion snob.! :-\
Quote from: windtrader on December 15, 2017, 06:13:03 PM
OK. Geoff, the issue is you bolded the wrong word. It should be THIS rather than BUS. You emphasised that we have buses and shuttles and skoolies are not real buses. If your statement was as you wanted, then you are a big OTR bus conversion snob.! :-\
No, what I said was you can't throw your stuff in a vehicle and call it a "conversion", more specifically a bus conversion out of a shuttle bus with no real conversion work done. Why are you making stuff up? I'm no snob in the least.
dup - sorry
Heck with the magazine cover, I vote that Gumpy gets a centerfold (staples appropriately placed) 😁 Just funning Craig
Quote from: niles500 on December 15, 2017, 10:14:32 PM
Heck with the magazine cover, I vote that Gumpy gets a centerfold (staples appropriately placed) 😁 Just funning Craig
I don't want to be the cause of BCM subscription rates dropping to zero! They're a good group of people!
Quote from: pabusnut on December 14, 2017, 11:41:04 AM
I have a plan for Dr P.
Buy a cheap Wal Mart tent. Put it up where ever you camp and throw a sleeping bag in it.
Then camp in your rig, and say nothing!
;)
That's a brilliant idea
Put a copy of the RV parks letter on a Motor Home Club forum and was taken of
this was there reply
So you can't win anywhere
I have removed the copy of the letter quoted in the opening post and the photo posted, as well as another post, as we are unable to authenticate the relationship between the photo and letter. I'm sorry.
If proof of connection can be provided this will be reconsidered.
mod1.
Over on BNO, they have asection titled " places we stay". Members can leave comments about RV sites and their impressions of them. Broken down by state.......
I'll throw in my two pennies. We have converted two buses neither of which looked like million dollar coaches. Our first one was nicknamed the "prison Bus" by our friends if that gives you any perspective. I was proud of that first bus as I am our second. I never once was discriminated against in rv parks but I can assure you I never once tried to get into a really nice resort either because I just understand that there a places my bus might not be an appropriate fit and that's completely ok with me. I recently had a T/A grounds employee try to kick me out because I had an RV and a very whisper quiet Honda generator running. I walked into the store and spoke to the manager and showed him a photo of our coach and he very kindly apologized and told us we were more than welcome to park our coach for the night and he would inform his employee. If he had sent us packing, we would have left. No argument, no threats. Just would have found a new place to stay.
Society today has blackened the word discrimination when it isn't a bad word at all. We all discriminate....I don't like mushrooms, I'm discriminating. I don't like loud hip hop music blaring out of the next cars speakers at a stop light. I'm discriminating. I'm a Christian male in American and frankly, a lot of people in this country dislike me for those two reasons alone. They are discriminating. And you know what? It's ok! It's ok that not every RV park wants my bus conversion, there's thousands of them that are fine with it so I'll go to them. It's ok that people don't like me because I'm a Christian, I'll make friends with others who do. This societal trend towards "everyone like everybody and let's all hug and kiss" is insane. These RV parks have the right to have discriminating tastes on who and what they allow or don't allow through their gates. I appreciate championing basic human rights, but whether or not your shuttle bus is accepted into a elite RV park/club ain't exactly a third world problem.
And for the record, I like having clearly defined men's and women's bathrooms thank you. I have two daughters (one in the oven) and that whole nonsense is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And I'm a millennial......
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Folks,, I think that all this YA YA needs to be put to rest,,
Lets move on to more Bus related subjects ,
Seems to be getting way to political,,Pete
Nah Pete, this ain't nothing....soon this thread will morph into whether to use straight weight motor oil or not...and then someone will weigh in with how multi weight allows the Bus to get better fuel economy and reduces the emissions of the Bus which in turn saves the environment...lol. We are major thread drifters here...embrace the drift lol
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Hey "40 WEIGHT MATTER"S" ;D ::) :o
Quote from: Dave5Cs on December 18, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
Hey "40 WEIGHT MATTER"S" ;D ::) :o
2-Stroke Lives Matter!
Oh man. You guys never disappoint lol
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Dang, what a bunch of racists; just because oil is black.
Mines Gold and the price to match then turns to sludge that you don't get a cent for :)
What about how much antiseize to put on wheel studs ?
Quote from: Scott & Heather on December 18, 2017, 07:23:59 AMNah Pete, this ain't nothing....soon this thread will morph into whether to use straight weight motor oil or not...and then someone will weigh in with how multi weight allows the Bus to get better fuel economy and reduces the emissions of the Bus which in turn saves the environment...lol. We are major thread drifters here...embrace the drift lol
I realized at the Christmas service at church last night that I can remember words to Christmas songs I learned 65 years ago but can't remember where I put my popcorn popper. Now where is that thing ...??
I just watched your video, and frankly even though your bus is nice, just what I saw I would have questions on it safety.