Any suggestions for a reliable way to have a bus transported? The bus is said to be in good condition and ready to make the drive cross country on its own power. It has a 4-speed, so who ever or whatever company does the move needs to have properly trained drivers. Current location for the bus is in New Jersey. It would be coming to me here in Wisconsin, 30 minutes west of Milwaukee.
Richard
On a Landall
Are you looking for a busnut driver?
Or a transport company?
Drive it yourself?
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
Transported? Scotty was real good.
Beam me up Scotty! ;)
Have a good day there
Floyd
RJ or Van may know some body,if Van is not working he may do it for you since he is from NJ now living in Vegas .I agree with BW drive it yourself hauling is not cheap neither are drivers by the time you pay their hourly or day rate plus expenses
I have to admit this could be a very imformative post, so will keep it serious.
The options on the net are few, with my few searches in the past. I mean the results lack a bit of personalization if i can say that, all in one breath! Sheeeesh
I seriously would like a place to look or call for some present day companies for this specfic task. With companies able to cross the country or central states anyway. So could some ad a name from say; LA, Oregon, Arizona, Texas, Florida, North/South Carolina, New Jersey, Ohio, Illinois, Montana, Tennessee, Missouri, Colorado, San Diego.
I really have no clue what a cost could be for a company offering this. I do easily understand in their benifit a return haul is in their best interest. This may well be a reason few are on the limited internet search i did many moons ago.
So maybe this is being a good reason outfits might subscribe to another for gathering business for them sometimes.
Finally I am interested in at least a few names busnuts on here have considered or just know of.
Thanks and hope this reply helps, now that my particles are back together : )
Floyd
What model vehicle? Coach or school bus? Year?
If it was a runner with good brakes, lights, tyres and steering, I'd drive it for you. I'd have to get from sc but I'd fly if you'd pay everything. I have a CDL B and drive schoolbusses every weekday. Perhaps a job for Christmas break?
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This would be a landoll or low-boy trucking job.
Complicated by being an overheight load, for most bus conversions, which require special permits across all jurisdictions travelled.
Search using truck transport terms, specialized, low bed, overheight...
And have your info lined up and ready, these people have no time for bullshit chit chat, height, width, weight, conditions at the pick-up and drop, it ain't going into or out of a muddy field or cul de sac...
It doesn't get done very often, going to cost large, and why are you buying it? To have it trailered around the country?
Go get it yourself, staged plan: go to the coach with an open plan, check it, fix what needs done, go for home, or suspend departure until whatever needs fixed is done, retreat home if necessary, go back and finish the job. Bring friends, arrange for busnuts to meet you...
Again, why are you buying this thing?
Get yer backside over there and take it home?
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
It's about $200 to fly from Milwaukee to Newark and the driving distance is close to 900 miles. That's about two days driving. It's also around 100 gallons of fuel.
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Here's more information - maybe it will make the initial question more clear.
After the events over the past week I figured that we'd spend 6-12 months searching out the best replacement for our 4106. It took us about a year to find the first one. Once we found out that what the insurance situation was, we started searching. As it happens, we stumbled upon a really nice 1974 4108a which was converted in 1974 on a new shell, fresh from the factory. More than we had budgeted for but it was complete, had all it's original factory systems, was well taken care of, and we're told that it is road-ready with new tires and a recent inspection. The part that put the decision over the line was a long conversation I had with Luke about the coach. He spoke highly of it as well as of the seller. He's had it in his shop and knows the coach.
So, then came the question of getting the coach home from it's current location in NJ, just over the state line from Philly. I'm the only one in the house with any vacation time left till December, and by then the condition of the roads around here would be sketchy at best. It needs to be brought home within the next couple of weeks if possible so we can get it winterized and settled into its winter spot behind the barn. That's why I thought the easiest thing to do was pay a transport company to get it here. It seems that there are many definitions of transport though. I was not talking about having it trucked here, I was talking about hiring someone to drive it here. I've done this in the past with cars, but I was not able to find anything online that seemed to offer the same service for buses.
It's not that I have hesitation about driving the coach home myself. I've had enough seat time over the years between our 4106 and other buses & trucks that I'm okay with the driving part. However, since this is a new-to-me coach, it seems like a good idea to at least have a co-pilot along to help with navigation and to be there to help should any problems come up during the trip.
Maybe the question I should have asked is where can I find a co-pilot for the trip?
Suggestion are welcome.
Richard
Richard, you want to look for a Driveaway company. There are a bunch of them out there.
The only one I'm personally familiar with is Bennett International as I drove for them back in the early 2000s. They would move anything. They are headquartered on McDonough, GA but have satellite offices all over. 770-957-1866. You could start there
Bob
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Quote from: richard5933 on October 07, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
Here's more information - maybe it will make the initial question more clear.
After the events over the past week I figured that we'd spend 6-12 months searching out the best replacement for our 4106. It took us about a year to find the first one. Once we found out that what the insurance situation was, we started searching. As it happens, we stumbled upon a really nice 1974 4108a which was converted in 1974 on a new shell, fresh from the factory. More than we had budgeted for but it was complete, had all it's original factory systems, was well taken care of, and we're told that it is road-ready with new tires and a recent inspection. The part What that put the decision over the line was a long conversation I had with Luke about the coach. He spoke highly of it as well as of the seller. He's had it in his shop and knows the coach.
So, then came the question of getting the coach home from it's current location in NJ, just over the state line from Philly. I'm the only one in the house with any vacation time left till December, and by then the condition of the roads around here would be sketchy at best. It needs to be brought home within the next couple of weeks if possible so we can get it winterized and settled into its winter spot behind the barn. That's why I thought the easiest thing to do was pay a transport company to get it here. It seems that there are many definitions of transport though. I was not talking about having it trucked here, I was talking about hiring someone to drive it here. I've done this in the past with cars, but I was not able to find anything online that seemed to offer the same service for buses.
It's not that I have hesitation about driving the coach home myself. I've had enough seat time over the years between our 4106 and other buses & trucks that I'm okay with the driving part. However, since this is a new-to-me coach, it seems like a good idea to at least have a co-pilot along to help with navigation and to be there to help should any problems come up during the trip.
Maybe the question I should have asked is where can I find a co-pilot for the trip?
Suggestion are welcome.
Richard
Well, as I've said, I do about 120 miles daily driving schoolbusses. This is a little bigger but as long as I can keep my eye on the back wheel, it shouldn't be a problem. Heights under bridges are another thing entirely. There are a lot of bridges way under their declared height. My daily route goes around the mulberry bush because Two bridges are out having been damaged by trucks.
Now, I don't know exactly when my next 3 day weekend will be but if there's one in your timeframe and you're up for my expenses and dare I say it a little profit, I'd be happy to help out.
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were i you..i'd not, not be there.
if you are confident with the assessment, just do it.
if the seller is...maybe he should co pilot.
we're only looking at 14-16 hours of road time...
if it was my coach and i was selling...i'd pick you up at the airport and you could drop me off at one.
The 4108A is a nice bus I have friend in OK that has 1978 model it was never a bus and it was converted by Custom Coach,I don't the 4108 were ever sold to Greyhound so it should be a good bus
Since the bus is already converted, you can have anyone drive it that can drive a 4spd manual bus. And you don't have to stop at scales. Good Luck, TomC
Quote from: eagle19952 on October 07, 2017, 02:56:24 PM
were i you..i'd not, not be there.
if you are confident with the assessment, just do it.
if the seller is...maybe he should co pilot.
we're only looking at 14-16 hours of road time...
if it was my coach and i was selling...i'd pick you up at the airport and you could drop me off at one.
If the seller is able - he would be your best co-pilot. You would be able to get so much more information about the subtle details. . . .
Quote from: kyle4501 on October 07, 2017, 04:07:43 PM
If the seller is able - he would be your best co-pilot. You would be able to get so much more information about the subtle details. . . .
Agreed. While manual transmission is not my favorite, they're not that hard to use. I always used to drive manual but then drove automatic only then this summer after 12 years of automatic only, they threw me on a manual box truck! Quick relearning experience and you'd be surprised how many bus drivers can't drive manual.
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Heck, I'd do it for a plane ticket from MN, two or three nights in a hotel as necessary (might not need that if the bus interior is in good working condition), meals, and a plane or train ticket back to MN from WI (or just a ride if you want to drive me back).
I'm pretty free the next couple weeks. Been a few years since I was behind a 4-speed, but they put extra gears in there so I shouldn't have much trouble re-learning. :-)
Or, if it has a hitch, I could drive my Explorer out there with plenty of tools, and tow it back. I've been looking for an excuse to go visit some friends in and around Philly.
Sound advice...
Right now I'm leaning towards doing the driving myself, but I'm going to press the seller to be the co-pilot. Not sure if that will work out or not, but it's worth a try.
If not, then I'll probably be back to see if there is anyone willing to take a road trip.
Not sure when this will happen, but if things work out it will be sometime in the next couple of weeks (as soon as paperwork, title, insurance, etc. can be arranged).
Richard
I got lucky the seller John316 drove ours from Kansas in the winter time to Phoenix I paid for the fuel and fed him Sushi at the restaurant heck of a deal for us
Since it is in NJ. I'd take it over to Luke to go over it for you. Fly back when it's ready to drive home. Put coach net and ez pass on it for trip home.
Since it is in NJ. I'd take it over to Luke to go over it for you. Fly back when it's ready to drive home. Put coach net and ez pass on it for trip home. May be able to have him winterize it, even storing it there till spring. Just some thoughts.
Richard, go get the coach if you can...if you can't, take craig up on his offer (gumpy). I would not take Zephod up on his offer, he might just armchair quarterback your driving skills.
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Quote from: Scott & Heather on October 07, 2017, 08:42:25 PM
Richard, go get the coach if you can...if you can't, take craig up on his offer (gumpy). I would not take Zephod up on his offer, he might just armchair quarterback your driving skills.
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Lol. I'm not that bad!
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Here we go again lol there shouldn't be a problem if Richard does his pre trips inspections his bus it going to make it home or not with or with out a co pilot,Richard a heads up get the tow insurance now I know Coachnet and Good Sams have waiting period, Coachnet is going to 30 days the 1st of Nov for used vehicles Good Sams is 7 days now and going to 30 days soon
I've decided to go and pick up the bus myself. No one else in the house is able to get time off, so right now it's going to be just me. It would be helpful to me to have someone along to help navigate and deal with problems that come up, but either way I'm okay with the drive. I've criss-crossed this country many times since 1979 and will figure out a way to get home from NJ.
I'm not sure of the status of the house battery and systems, so most likely I'll either get a motel room somewhere or just sleep in the bus at Wallyworld and use their facilities. If things go well, I might be able to make the drive in two days. Google shows it to be only 12 hours on the road, plus stops. If I'm tired or stressed I can spread the drive over 3 days.
The bus was recently at Luke's for inspection. That's why I posted earlier what I posted. There were a few small items that needed to be addressed and it appears that the seller did so. I will also do a pre-drive inspection myself once I am onsite.
On a side note, it is amazing how much we've become reliant on things like GPS over the years. The bus does not have a 12v outlet near the driver for my Garmin, and my first reaction was a little twinge of panic. It's gotten to where I don't even know if I have a current map. Of course I've got my phone with Google, but the Garmin was extremely handy in avoiding low clearance and weight limited roads. I'll be sticking mainly to the interstates though, so I'm not anticipating major problems.
Insurance on our previous coach was with Progressive, and I'm assuming it will be for this one as well. I'll contact my agent as soon as the deal is complete and it's mine to insure. If my memory is correct, our policy includes roadside assistance. I will confirm that when I talk to the agent. I've also considered getting the Roadside Assistance from FMCA but really haven't looked into that too deeply.
Richard
The FMCA assist is a good program if it stays you never know about FMCA that program has come and gone several times over the years
Progressive does do roadside assist. I've got that on my car. Not sure if I have it on the bus though.
It's not too hard to install a fag lighter socket. That was the first thing I did with my schoolbus then I installed usb too. I think the sockets are $5 in Walmart. That plus a few minutes on wiring.
Having said that, maps work too. On my workbus there is no gps. We have to go from a detailed route description.
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With any road side assist you want one with no out of pocket expense sometimes you pay for towing with Progressive and then they reimburse you and some owners don't have a $1000.00 to $3000.00 cash on them at the time.Lol I have had to pay it before because owners were 2 or 3 days out from their bus that showed up here
In a pinch, I have used a battery 'jump box' to run my gps , so If you alrerady have one of those . . .
Quote from: kyle4501 on October 08, 2017, 10:38:41 AM
In a pinch, I have used a battery 'jump box' to run my gps , so If you alrerady have one of those . . .
That's a thought. In fact, given that the gps probably runs off a usb connector, one of the larger cell phone power banks might work. It wouldn't be needed on the interstate so that'd save some battery as the thing could simply be disconnected.
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I thought of using one of the battery jump boxes. My Garmin has traffic built in, but the antenna is in the wire/plug. If I don't use the 12v socket/plug thing and just use a USB to power it I lose functionality. However, since I'll be flying out to meet the bus things get dicey. Doesn't seem like they'll be too keen on me flying with a battery pack in my luggage. I thought about picking one up on the other end at a Walmart, but then it probably wouldn't be charged.
For now the plan is to stick with the Google Maps app and supplement with a real map as needed. Driving in the Philly area can be a bit difficult if I remember, but hopefully things have improved since I was there a few years ago. Once I hit the turnpike I'm not worried. Things get confusing once I get back to Chicago, but I've done that enough times to know where to go.
Still, if anyone is up for a road trip send me a PM and maybe we can figure something out. I'm still aiming for next week, but it could be pushed back to the week of the 23rd if absolutely necessary.
Richard
Chicago would be my worry I hate that place you dodge cars or the bullets I prefer to dodge the cars,they should build a bridge over the lake so you didn't even get close to Chicago
Quote from: richard5933 on October 08, 2017, 11:18:56 AM
I thought of using one of the battery jump boxes. My Garmin has traffic built in, but the antenna is in the wire/plug. If I don't use the 12v socket/plug thing and just use a USB to power it I lose functionality. However, since I'll be flying out to meet the bus things get dicey. Doesn't seem like they'll be too keen on me flying with a battery pack in my luggage. I thought about picking one up on the other end at a Walmart, but then it probably wouldn't be charged.
For now the plan is to stick with the Google Maps app and supplement with a real map as needed. Driving in the Philly area can be a bit difficult if I remember, but hopefully things have improved since I was there a few years ago. Once I hit the turnpike I'm not worried. Things get confusing once I get back to Chicago, but I've done that enough times to know where to go.
Still, if anyone is up for a road trip send me a PM and maybe we can figure something out. I'm still aiming for next week, but it could be pushed back to the week of the 23rd if absolutely necessary.
Richard
Quick, cheap and dirty....
$20 lawnmower battery from Walmart. A $5 fag lighter/usb 12v adapter and some tape or clothes pins to keep the wires connected to the terminals. The lawnmower battery comes ready charged and if you kill it, so what? It's only $20.
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Lawnmower battery - that might work. I already have a 12v cig socket with battery clips I can take along. I was using it as a place to plug in the emergency work light before.
Richard
I am glad you have found a bus and have a plan in place to go fetch it. If I was not headed west right now in mine, I would go in a heartbeat just for the experience.
I hope the bus serves you many years and gives you bunches of trouble free miles.
Davy
Quote from: chessie4905 on October 07, 2017, 06:53:16 PM
Since it is in NJ. I'd take it over to Luke to go over it for you. Fly back when it's ready to drive home. Put coach net and ez pass on it for trip home.
read the sign...it says lemonade :)
The bus was recently at Luke's for inspection. That's why I posted earlier what I posted. There were a few small items that needed to be addressed and it appears that the seller did so. I will also do a pre-drive inspection myself once I am onsite.
Brief update...
I've got the deal done and will be flying out to NJ on Tuesday to drive the bus home. Insurance is in place and I plan to transfer plates (registered as MH, of course) from our previous bus to the new one before leaving Wisconsin so I can bring them with. In addition to the coverage from the insurance company, I've signed up for FMCA's roadside program in case it's needed and can provide assistance.
I'm somewhat limited in what I can bring along since I'm flying out. My plan is to throw a few hand tools into my checked baggage such as screwdrivers, adjustable Crescent wrench, pliers, etc. so that I can take care of any small things that come up like a loose fitting or hose clamp. Might also bring a test meter in case I need to figure out an electrical snafu on the road. Other than that, I will be calling for help.
It's somewhat uneasy about driving the bus without my usual toolbox full of tools, a few bins of spare parts, and the knowledge of the bus's particular habits. But, I don't know that there is a real choice on that though. I will limit driving times to normal business hours in case I need to call a shop for help.
There are new tires on all four corners, and I will do a full walk-around and fluid check before taking off.
Anyone live along the route that I can call on for assist if necessary? I'll be traveling from Pedricktown NJ to Hagerstown MD along I-95/I-70 and then turning northward to home in Wisconsin following I-76/I-80/I-90/I94.
Anyone got other suggestions on how to prepare for the trip home?
Richard
I'd pick up some spare oil and a set of fuel filters. Good led flashlight. Don't run it flat out. I'm in central Pa. if you have problems. Do you have an ez pass? You may be using above route to avoid tolls.
Yeah, tolls...
Every single one, you tell 'em this is your motorhome, not a bus...
You don't want to be paying commercial tolls!!!!
Good plan, go get it, there's nothing "safe" about an old bus conversion!!! I always like having two boxes of the break down triangles, a forest of 'em out the back in the dark make a difference!
You already have the habit of always parking, expecting the coach not to start again...?
The bus demons tire of following a busnut with good defensive habits, and go bother someone else... usually...
Happy coaching!
Buswarrior
For Illinois all vehicles are charged for tolls by number of axles. A commercial vehicle and a motorhome pay the same rate. Vehicles with three or more axles also pay different rates for day or night driving. The day toll is about 50% higher than the night toll.
Tolls are the number one reason I won't take my bus out east unless I have very good reason to do so. My parents just drove their car from Minneapolis to Boston and back. Their tolls cost $95. For my bus it probably be around $300 just for tolls. Tolls would be about 30% of my fuel cost to take my bus to Boston and back.
I don't stress over tolls. I've got the EZ-Pass from my previous bus and will transfer to the new one.
As they say, it's just the cost of doing business. At least with the EZ-Pass the cost is considerably lower.
Too bad the whole country hasn't signed on to the EZ-Pass though - Texas and Kansas are at least two states with their own toll system that isn't compatible.
If paying tolls ends up being my biggest concern with this trip it would be a blassing.
Richard
Pa. charges significantly less if you use the E-ZPass. We have to get a new one. On recent trip to Kalamazoo, it wouldn't work at gate. Traffic backed up and no attendant. Finally grabbed ticket and found out at later gates it's battery was going bad.
so. who's the copilot ?
Quote from: eagle19952 on October 11, 2017, 12:19:46 PM
so. who's the copilot ?
At this point, no one.
Richard
1964 PD4106-2412
Quote from: buswarrior on October 11, 2017, 07:09:51 AM
I always like having two boxes of the break down triangles, a forest of 'em out the back in the dark make a difference!
It's just too bad that most folk who have to put out the triangles have NO CLUE how to place them properly!
Grrrrrrr. . . one of my pet peeves with "professional" drivers! >:(
Richard -If you're not in a hurry, what about taking the "little blue highways" rather than the toll roads? Side benefit - more relaxed pace, you get to see more of rural Americana. OTOH, after what happened to your '06. . . maybe not.
Speaking of your '06, are you going to be parting it out?
Have a safe trip!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
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Richard -
If you're not in a hurry, what about taking the "little blue highways" rather than the toll roads? Side benefit - more relaxed pace, you get to see more of rural Americana. OTOH, after what happened to your '06. . . maybe not.
Speaking of your '06, are you going to be parting it out?
Have a safe trip!
FWIW & HTH. . .
;)
What happened with our 4106 is specifically why I'm opting for the Interstates this time. Just a tad too soon to be back on state highways. In general that's our preferred route - local and state highways as much as possible. I'd rather spend more time on the road on a slower route if it means getting to see more of the country and communities. That's why we travel.
This time though I'm going to stick as much as possible to roads with center barriers.
Regarding the 4106, don't know yet. I'm hoping that whatever I work out with the insurance company ends up with us keeping the bus. It is currently in a tow yard in Des Moines. It might be another week or more till the insurance company gets their act together and presents us with an initial valuation. Right now it seems that they drew blanks and had to call in an outside appraiser. I'm not confident I'll like the results, but I'm going to wait to freak out until they make their first offer.
I'll be posting a thread specific to this once I have more information and know more about what's happening with the 4106, which while beyond repair still has lots of useful parts that others may find valuable.
Richard
Richard,
Glad to see the incident did not dent your spirit and you're rolling forward. It would be great if you chronicle your dance with the insurance company in its own thread. I'm sure there it will offer many insights to others who hopefully never are forced down the same path in the future. Good luck with the trip. DOn
Might I suggest installing a better front bumper - just in case?
In the last 10 years my car has been rear ended twice, somebody reversed into the front and somebody hit the back and ran away. Fortunately no big damage but it's a jungle out there!
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With the way the GM coaches are designed, a stronger of stiffer bumper would still just crush the front of the bus, totaling it. Remember that these units are basically aluminum or stainless skinned wooden platforms.
Quote from: j.m.jackson on October 12, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
...Remember that these units are basically aluminum or stainless skinned wooden platforms.
Having seen one torn open first hand, I'd have to disagree. There are no wood structural components. Our 4106 took an amazing beating on the highway and the structure and design is what allowed us to walk away. GM coaches are much more than just skinned wooden platforms, and for that reason alone we're getting another one.
Richard
Richard,
I admit that I greatly oversimplified that, they are better than that.. Your experience definitely illustrates that point. I would, tho, think that a stiffer or stronger bumper still would have to dissipate the energy somewhere. In my 5303, there is just a sheet of steel between the area over the bumper and my feet. The bumper itself is connected with large leaf springs (4" tall, 14" wide) to subframe members that run back to the front of the front axle bulkhead, another sheet of metal, transferring more of the force of impact to that bulkhead surface also. There is alot of metal surface area for sure to absorb energy from an impact.
This one took on a lightpole. They both lost, but the pole is laying on top of the bus. The drivers position is relatively intact.
And, according to the movies, the 5303 can also survive jumping over sections of unfinished freeway in California! (grin)
Its very interesting to watch the video behind shooting that scene. Considering that they did actually jump it, and it went alot farther than they expected, it survived fairly well. By surviving, I mean that it blew out the front airbags and tires, ruptured the oil pan, drove the entire engine assembly up about a foot causing the throttle to hang wide open, and other terrible things. But the structure and construction of the bus itself fared very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPhNIS69ayQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPhNIS69ayQ)
Damn pole pulled out in front of him.
Quote from: chessie4905 on October 12, 2017, 10:54:39 AMDamn pole pulled out in front of him.
I'm thinkin that the driver was lucky that it jumped out in front of the right (door) side of the front of the bus. The headlight right in front of the driver isn't moved much.
Is this an option?
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This one might have done better! ;D :D
Quote from: pabusnut on October 12, 2017, 04:03:00 PMThis one might have done better! 😄 😀
Perhaps not. This would seem a greater improvement....
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Quote from: Zephod on October 12, 2017, 02:22:44 PM
Is this an option?
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because flat black primer stops everything ?
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Ye especially at the front gate of the campground!
;D BK ;D
I really can't make up my mind about a lot of drivers - whether they're on a mission to kill themselves and others and are allied to ISIS or whether they got their license from a McDonalds Happy Meal.
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