I have a friend who is trying to find out if someone will buy this Eagle with a cracked 6v92 block (it froze in the cold). Anyone have any guesses on the value? It's being donated to a mission organization and my friend in the organization asked me how to go about finding a buyer. They are willing to let it go cheap. But I don't know the particulars. Seems like a nice Eagle. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170921/7eaf0a1bcb35322544ab9b33e3ca06b2.png)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170921/833ab463f3a0a20a3d99b7db19db7d8f.png)
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Never saw it before looks to be a model 5
Any idea on location, Scott?
If it was exposed the cold long enough to freeze the block, other systems may be damaged as well. For example, the house plumbing may have cracked lines
Yep !Just what I started to say .If the PO didn't know that you needed anti freeze ,wonder what other items have been over looked??? After seeing what Eagles in good shape are going for,I would think that one with a bad motor wouldn't be worth very much!!
What state is it in .
I don't know where it is. I'll ask and get back to you today
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Looks like it was a well cared for Eagle at 1 time the ride height is good that is a plus ,the sides are straight and has a 7 or 8 inch raised roof,awnings,3 roof airs and likely a diesel generator in the 12k range
That could be a sleeper if the tow bill didn't kill the deal that, maybe a early model 10 looking at it again made in the 80's
Quote from: bigred on September 21, 2017, 02:28:48 PM
I would think that one with a bad motor wouldn't be worth very much!!
reproduce the woodwork and interior for $10,000.00.
tires (if serviceable) rims and torsions...for ?
My thought, why do so many think these coaches have no value ?
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ps, if you like the paint the coach and above items are worth 20K$
Quote from: eagle19952 on September 22, 2017, 06:42:32 AM... My thought, why do so many think these coaches have no value ?
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Not a smart=@$$ comment, Don, but basically, if you can't find anybody to buy something at $X price, it's not worth $X -- at least on the market. We know the cost, but the value down the road -- that's different.
None have value down the road lol only what people will pay. I been trying to deal on a 2009 Blue Bird with 3 slides and 600 hp Cummins the owner paid around a mil for new we are down to about a 1/5 th of what he paid for it, has under 70,000 miles total
Quote from: luvrbus on September 22, 2017, 07:24:20 AM
None have value down the road lol only what people will pay. I been trying to deal on a 2009 Blue Bird with 3 slides and 600 hp Cummins the owner paid around a mil for new we are down to about a 1/5 th of what he paid for it, has under 70,000 miles total
Yikes. Just his depreciation alone is about $11.43 per mile. And people wonder why I don't just go out and buy a new RV instead of spending time making my own.
John
I think the real test of value is what price is arrived at in a live auction attended by sober and sane people who know the item and actually have the money to pay for it. Old buses have value, but not necessarily in dollars. This Eagle will be of value to the right person who can fix it with the parts they already have, or can get at a reasonable price.
And people wonder why I make do and make my own bits for my bus. The answers simple - when the time comes to sell, it's not going to be worth $#!% even if I spent $10,000,000 on having ut professionally done.
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before i'll consider an insulting offer on mine..i'll give it away.
at least i'd feel good about it.
maybe my interpretation of "not much" is what's off here.
people say all the time that any coach is worth more than any sticks MH.
and then the same folks will point at a coach that needs an engine and say not much...
if you Want something better than a S&S...you gotta pay more, not less.
How old are the pictures? May have been taken right after paint job and conversion. Might have major rust issues besides. Just stand alongside on a quiet day and listen....
Quote from: chessie4905 on September 23, 2017, 06:04:30 AM
How old are the pictures? May have been taken right after paint job and conversion. Might have major rust issues besides. Just stand alongside on a quiet day and listen....
Rust and all the engine is install straight up not laying over and cross ways in a Eagle heck they even have a starter you can remove and replace in 20 minutes 8)
Quote from: luvrbus on September 23, 2017, 06:29:02 AM
Rust and all the engine is install straight up not laying over and cross ways in a Eagle heck they even have a starter you can remove and replace in 20 minutes 8)
Cliff,if you can do it in 20 minutes ,that means I could probably do it in two days!!! LOL
I cannot do a starter on a GM in 20 minutes ;D
You gotta pay to play.
JC
before i'll consider an insulting offer on mine..i'll give it away.
at least i'd feel good about it.
Well said. Don!!
Now if you have thin skin, STOP and go to another post!
I too know there is a depressed market in converted coaches. (I do believe it is recovered somewhat from a few years ago).
A deal is made in any market when a seller and a buyer agree on the value of something, not an amount uninvolved parties that in most cases have never seen the item think is appropriate.
I believe the last place to try sell a coach is on one of these boards where many folks have a "skewed" view for whatever reason of the value. Many of those are sheep baaing something they heard or read and have never owned a coach.
The age of the coach has less bearing than the maintenance history and "useful" upgrades.
A very nicely maintained coach with an engine/transmission/power steering upgrade in need of a $15K paint job is worth much more than a painted up 8V71 with a manual 4 speed, manual transmission and undersized brakes in my opinion.
I only regret that some of the coaches on the market today were not available when I bought mine. In "our" pre-internet days shells cost more than some beautiful for sale coaches now.
We operated in the abyss (for most of us). We learned through our wallets!
I was fortunate to meet folks like Dave Gregory of Southern Oregon Diesel, who spent a couple of hours of his precious time on the phone with a complete novice educating me, (I called him about another matter) He is the person that sold me on a conversion. He sent me (a complete stranger!) current copies of Bus Trader and Bus Conversion magazines. I remain indebted to him and Dennis and visit them whenever I am in Roseburg.
Gary Bennet of B&B Coach, (who educated me more in two days than any other I have met since in the entire time I have known them) even though he told me upfront that he had nothing at the time to sell me.
Dave Galey, (yes the author of the books).
George Green of Ramblin Fever Coach, (Who I bought mine from and was treated extremely well by).
Those are some of the Pioneers I was fortunate enough to meet and many I have met since that sincerely help everyone.
Does the name Clifford ring any bells?
Sometimes, when you cannot add to the conversation, DON'T!
Well said Joe!
I love the above comment AK! Ok so the coach is in Kansas City. I'm trying to learn more about it but the owner is willing to let it go for whatever he can get for it. No ties whatsoever. Does not have a roof raise from what I was told.
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Looking at the door and front cap sure looks like it been raised
Maybe a starter could be difficult for some... Cylinder heads,drop boxes, extra axle, bobbing, pull engine for clutch replacement, or automatic replacement. Belts and angle drives. Clifford, you just didn't work on e ough GM's to appreciate them.😘
Quote from: Oonrahnjay on September 22, 2017, 07:07:28 AM
Not a smart=@$$ comment, Don, but basically, if you can't find anybody to buy something at $X price, it's not worth $X -- at least on the market. We know the cost, but the value down the road -- that's different.
Will the IRS come after me if i write off the "loss" :)
No slides, & not being able to fully check out all the functions definitely push the price down.
The bad motor limits the number of potential buyers.
The cost of having it towed adds to the required 'investment'.
Not being able to borrow money to purchase it will also put a damper on things. . . .
Considering the above - I think the sales price + transporting it to the buyer's location will need to be under $8000.
All that said, I believe this would be an Awesome deal for someone wanting to get into a diesel pusher motorhome - provided they are well aware of the efforts and costs required to get it road ready.
Kyle, perfect! That's what we are looking for are some just friendly ballpark numbers. Really helps us at least have some sort of calibration on value
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There is not enough information on the coach to price it the suspension could worth 8k or 1k,the engine may not be in bad shape when one freezes seldom does it hurt the block it just breaks the oil cooler outer shell
Quote from: luvrbus on September 24, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
There not enough information on the coach to price it the suspension could worth 8k or 1k
True, thanks for bringing that up.
I should have added "provided there are no other major issues found during inspection"
As good as the pictures look - if there are suspension issues, it may not be worth hauling to scrap. . . . :'(
Prices really have dropped in the past 10 years !
Is this coach in Michigan?
Quote from: chessie4905 on September 24, 2017, 06:29:53 PMIs this coach in Michigan?
Chessie, up above, someone said it's in/near Kansas City. (I don't know more than that.)
I'm in Kalamazoo now, would be interested in checking it out before heading home. Not for myself, but reporting to board.
I live near Kansas City. If anyone is really interested in the bus, I will go check it out for you. But I probably wouldn't take the time for "bus board" general info. I love you guys, but not that much ;D
Hi Scott,
I've not been in the details on Eagle pricing but even a ballpark figure is difficult due to many reasons previously mentioned. What makes the range quite wide all come down to the market for this coach and the market is bounded by several factors.
Typically, one assigns a value starting with a coach in running condition so a complete survey can establish an accurate assessment of the operational and functioning systems. Like any non-running auto the value is seriously diminished for the same reason.
One approach is to start with an estimated value assuming the coach is fully functioning then taking deductions based on what is unknown or not working. The other way is to start with a salvage value and add on for what is known.
Since the coach is not running, towing charges affect the number or prospective buyers. It seems like a radius of 500-1000 miles would be generous.
Lastly, the level of effort and time the organization expends marketing the coach influences the final price. There are several auction sites besides eBay but collectively these reach the largest market in the most efficient manner. An interesting strategy might be to list the coach on several auction sites with the same close time. Offers would come in from the most folks at the same time.
Setting a value for your friend - a large range would be prudent to set realistic expectations. Something ranging from salvage value minus some number for tow fees and salvage prep costs to the maximum defined as average market for a similar running coach minus some figure to repair the motor. It seems something like 5k would set reasonable expectation with the folks. A range of 3k to 15k would offer an indication of the wide range of what it might fetch.
Since the coach is not running, towing charges affect the number or prospective buyers. It seems like a radius of 500-1000 miles would be generous.
Scott crosby has been pretty successful doing the in place...it isn't that hard.
there is a fair price...and then there is cheap.
one could henpeck any coach out there to,......cheap.
You guys all have great points. I'm hoping to actually lay eyes and hands on the coach myself at some point here. There's no rush, just a guy with a dead bus who wants to sell it and donate the $$ to a mission he believes in. I'm merely the resident bus guy trying to help facilitate that. I'll take some photos and video and report back when I eventually do see it. Coach is indeed in Kansas City.
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When you do look at it post the bus on Bucks F/B page Bus Conversions For Sale
More photos:
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That puppy has a 8v92 stuffed in there has the 05 or early 10 front engine mount
It might be a Model 05, the front window looks like a stock 05, the second one looks like a Peninsula slider. It has good siding, it might have been redone, and the side mirrors look like good Ramco's. There is good value here, someone who can afford to transport it will have something to work with.
I know someone who has a good 8v92, in florida, if someone is looking to buy this- fwiw
David at Davids Coach has a couple of 8V92'S ready to go .One other option depending where the crack is ,it may be possible to weld the block for a temp fix.
The 8v92 has a 2 inch freeze plug for each cylinder 3 on each end of the engine and 2 on each head it almost impossible to crack a block from freezing he may have lost a freeze plug why else would he have the cam gears and covers off.It's a hella of job replacing all the freeze plugs on a 8v92 he may not be up to the task of replacing the rear freeze plugs
Ok so more photos. It (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171002/eeeb55ad33a54c3f4a143326a74d1c74.jpg)has an Allison 740. 8kw generac plumbed into main fuel tank. Two Stainless 80 gallon holding tanks. Tires are 9 years old but have 90% tread or more. No roof raise. He's confirmed it is 6ft interior height floor to ceiling. Coach has been and is being currently stored inside a nice metal pole building out of the weather.
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Out of respect for the forum Admin and the paid classifieds section I won't post any more info here as this originally was intended to be an info gathering post as to value for the coach and I don't want it to turn into a free classified ad. Thanks for the help identifying the coach. I'll be helping the owner try to get this sold. I was hoping someone would recognize the coach and tell us more about it but i think we are all set. Much thanks!!
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Out of respect for the forum Admin and the paid classifieds section I won't post any more info here as this originally was intended to be an info gathering post as to value for the coach and I don't want it to turn into a free classified ad. Thanks for the help identifying the coach. I'll be helping the owner try to get this sold. I was hoping someone would recognize the coach and tell us more about it but i think we are all set. Much thanks!!
That is a class act statement IMO!
I believe folks go to great expenses to provide free Boards for us to do what we do. They are providing us with a place to conduct commercial advertisements.
I have no problem with folks stating a certain coach is for sale or any parts, but questions intentionally/unintentionally can turn the discussion.
I am however, not the owner or moderator of this Board!
I've enjoyed following your adventures/misadventures.
Good selling idea is find out how much for rebuilt engine with install and take that amount off price,
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A rebuilt 8v92 with a install the seller would be paying someone to take the bus ;D