The shop I have the bus at here in Texas is in Burleson. It's called Genes bus repair. These guys are pretty cool. They have a neoplan in here with a blown 60 series. Here are some pictures of the block and the head of one of the Pistons ugly ugly ugly.
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Well... That's not good... Will be hard to patch with the big can of JB Weld?????????!!!!!>>>>>>>........ ;D
When I bought my Neoplan there was two; one with S60 and one with 8v92. I guess I bought the right one ;D
Looks like the top of the piston seized and the rod pulled the piston in two and things went down hill from there. I have a few MGB race engine blocks that look like that.
You see a lot of 50 and 60 series looking like that,there was one F/B that 5 out the side of a series 60,the Jakes will do that to a series 50 or 60 when they are flipped on when one is over revved
"Lets see, where did I put the duct tape?"
L10 Cummins will do that too with Jakes if you are not careful
Quote from: Lee Bradley on November 28, 2016, 09:09:17 AM... I have a few MGB race engine blocks that look like that.
Looks like Harley-Davidson magneto failure. (In the late 60's, Harley ran 750cc V-twin flat-head engines in their racers - OHV engines were limited to 500cc. Everytime the dropped out of a race, H-D would announce that they had had a magneto failure. One year, after about the 4th one quit at Daytona, a Triumph mechanic looked over a me and said "yeah, when the rod came through the block, it beat the h**l out of that magneto!"
And doesn't anyone who ever raced an MGB have a few like that???
In an emergency could that block and engine be run? Could the crank be salvaged? Could the engine be re assembled and run low/part throttle as a 5 cylinder? In a pinch for sure. Curious.
Ah that ain't no big deal just better crankcase ventilation!
;D BK ;D
Quote from: HB of CJ on November 28, 2016, 04:29:20 PM
In an emergency could that block and engine be run? Could the crank be salvaged? Could the engine be re assembled and run low/part throttle as a 5 cylinder? In a pinch for sure. Curious.
Airplanes with radial engine did it all the time. I am guessing this one would leak a wee bit more oil than a radial tho.
That engine must have been built when DETROIT was part of the old DAIMLER CHRYSLER group.
I don't know how to post a picture here but I've had that happen twice, with a friend having a third one do the same. Both of mine had much more damage that this picture, we spread engine parts down the interstate.
They are good engines but when a bull gear turns loose you can pick the parts up in a basket too
You've got the right, we always change our bull gear bearing no later than 500,000 miles. You have to change the bearing before it fails, or bad things happen.
Quote from: AdamWalkup on November 29, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
You've got the right, we always change our bull gear bearing no later than 500,000 miles. You have to change the bearing before it fails, or bad things happen.
How big a deal is it to get the bearing changed? My Series 60 is probably at the age where it needs to be done. My best guess at miles on the bus (and engine) is between 400,000 and 500,000. The odometer hadn't worked for a while when I got it and was at around 300,000. The DDEC had been replaced or something because it showed like 50 miles. 400,000 seems probably pretty close based on the overall condition.
Quote from: belfert on November 29, 2016, 04:21:37 PM
How big a deal is it to get the bearing changed? My Series 60 is probably at the age where it needs to be done. My best guess at miles on the bus (and engine) is between 400,000 and 500,000. The odometer hadn't worked for a while when I got it and was at around 300,000. The DDEC had been replaced or something because it showed like 50 miles. 400,000 seems probably pretty close based on the overall condition.
Something happened all right it was called Bobby Easter!
;D BK ;D
In a bus, the bull gear is fairly easy to get to since the engine is facing back towards the back door.
Series 60 has the valve gear train on the front of the engine. Most all new engines now have the valve gear train on the back of the engine-meaning any problems with the gears and out comes the engine. Good Luck, TomC
It just took me about 6 hrs to change the bull gear and the bearing on my 60 series in a DL you do need a good puller though
Wow 6 hours-you're a whirlwind worker. Most would probably take a couple days.
Mine is fairly easy just remove a few parts and pulleys and remove the front cover and you are there
Quote from: TomC on December 01, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
Wow 6 hours-you're a whirlwind worker. Most would probably take a couple days.
Tom the wife doesn't pay Clifford by the hr so he gets the job done quicker!
;D BK ;D
Makes for a nice access opening for future rod bearing maintenance on that journal! Whattaya mean no???
Lol! That's funny ^
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Guys the old 2 strokes will do the same also I have seen the 6L71 with holes in both sides from 1 rod,and V series with take a side out
I've seen more Cats with picture windows in the block than Detroits. I personally towed in three of them that were owned by friends over the years. A 1693, a 3406 and and 3408. Lucky on the 1693 block, a fiberglass patch fixed the hole.