My bus has to be inspected because we recently moved to Alberta from BC. It is an "out of province inspection" before registration, and it is quite rigorous. The PO put on aluminum wheels and never got longer studs on the steer axle. They are flush with the outside of the nut. That was good enough for me, but not for the DOT inspector. No surprise there, but now I am looking for longer studs.
There was a thread here not long ago about this, that I cannot find, and there was a Canadian, Jim Eh maybe ? in Winnipeg, that had a source at a good price.
I will also ask at Fleet Brake, and Fort Garry Industries.
And right hand thread on both sides would be ok they tell me.
TIA.
JC
JC, if all else fails just call Luke he was about $13 bucks each not $32.00,watch them sometimes there are 2 to a package and they will try and charge you double the outfit in Vegas tried it .
I put new on mine and they where not 13 each. I searched by by size and bought from a truck supply. Good luck.
Quote from: Tom Y on October 30, 2016, 09:33:22 AM
I put new on mine and they where not 13 each. I searched by by size and bought from a truck supply. Good luck.
How long a ago you buy yours Tom now even the standard Mertior 20x305 front studs for MCI are over 12 bucks MCI wants wants $38.00 for a package of 2.Everything now is hub pilot I shopped for 2 months for mine,I got a few from Canada for less than 8 bucks ea which is what they should cost IMO
JC, you can get the Mertior number from the Mertior site,you can buy direct from Mertior also but they want $28.00 ea.
Since I am so heavy on the front axle with 9" wide 315 tires I didn't shop for anything but US made Mertior studs after market studs were not in my plans YMMD
For that price I would pick up some used steel rims and switch back after inspection. Just my 2 cents worth. Raymond
Can't remember (oldstimers desease) which exact stud was discussed earlier but if it from a stud piloted wheel assembly (old style "BUDD" nuts w/o the attached washers) you should NOT use RH on both sides. The design was LH and RH for a reason. I believe it was due to dynamic forces would cause the nuts to loosen if the thread direction was not proper. Here is a link to a Euclid catalogue that is very good for both identifying and selecting alternative wheel studs http://truckhub.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Euclid100DWheelAttachingPartsX-Ref.96161249.pdf (http://truckhub.us/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/Euclid100DWheelAttachingPartsX-Ref.96161249.pdf)
Prices may be better in MB but the freight would kill that. Although it is a good idea to replace both nuts and studs at the same time, you can get away with just the studs. 20 shouldn't break the bank.
NOTE: Make damn sure you re-torque!!! Take along proper equipment to re-torque your wheel nuts in 100 and 500 miles. If you find any coming loose on the second check then continue to check until you don't find any come loose.
Clifford where in Canada did you get your studs for $8 each?
JC
Joe, found them for me but they only had 5
Thanks I'll call Joe. I found the studs I have in the Euclid catalog that Jim Eh linked, but I cannot find the same only longer for alum wheels anywhere. The truck parts stores in Calgary aren't much help. I'll call Luke too tomorrow.
JC
put the nuts on a lathe.. ::) :o ??? :o ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D JK.
Post or PM me any part# you have found and I will check here.
Thank you Jim. What I have is Euclid E-5922-L and R. I need the same stud, but a bit longer at the wheel end, like another 1/4" or more so it sticks out of the nut when mounted. I don't see anything other than E-5922 in the Euclid catalog.
JC
JC would the wheel maker possibly have them?
"Put the nuts on a lathe". I thought of that LOL. Making the nuts thinner would solve my problem...
JC
Dave, I looked at Alcoa and Accuride sites, and I don't see studs.
JC
JC,I was told BWP-NSI in MO had the studs after I purchased mine give them a try
636-629-5800
Just grind your lugnuts down thinner ;) problem solved... hehe
Looking at the design it would appear that clearance inside the brake drum would be an issue using another style of stud. We have done this on some obsolete equipment in the past. What we did was bore out the stud holes in the hub and drums to accept "normal" front wheel stud piloted studs. We used something similar to an E5868. This is pretty extreme but was cost effective in that situation.
Given that the drum side of the stud is an oddball size (7/8" - can you say captive market?) options are limited at best.
Steel wheels for the inspection and put back what has worked for years afterward would be the best route in my mind.
I don't know if the guy at MCI knew what he talking about or not,he told me it was very rare for older MCI's since the 8 to be shipped with stud piloted aluminum wheels,they were all hub piloted
Spoke with Luke at US Coach. He has the longer ones, but by the time you convert to C$ (25%), then freight, it is more than I want to spend. The charter company that is doing the inspection thinks maybe the studs are the same as for a 102. I am taking one of my studs tomorrow there to see. I am not holding my breath. I have started looking for used steel wheels...
JC
I do hope you find those as they are pricey lol you can buy 2 new steel wheels for less than 1 set of studs
Quote from: luvrbus on November 01, 2016, 02:33:43 PM
I don't know if the guy at MCI knew what he talking about or not,he told me it was very rare for older MCI's since the 8 to be shipped with stud piloted aluminum wheels,they were all hub piloted
Remember back to the early 80's when hub piloted first came out and were manufactured by a company called Motorwheel. They were marketed under the the name "Unimounts". At the time Europe had already been using the system for quite a number of years. There was even a short period that the market supported kind of a hybrid system that used both systems, a ball faced nut and hub piloted rims. I guess it was a kind of "poop or get off the pot" period in transport and the death of ball faced nut stud pilot systems went down in quite a bit of a hurry.
Not too sure when the NA bus industry moved to them but maybe they only shipped aluminum wheels when mounted on a hub piloted system unlike trucks.
My 1975 MC8 has hub pilot. My 1975 parts bus MC8 has stud pilot.
All depends what the original fleet ordered.
happy coaching!
buswarrior
Quote from: buswarrior on November 03, 2016, 10:30:04 AM
My 1975 MC8 has hub pilot. My 1975 parts bus MC8 has stud pilot.
All depends what the original fleet ordered.
happy coaching!
buswarrior
That what the guy told me, and any ordered with Alcoa wheels would have been hub piloted