I just talked to Art today about ordering a silverleaf interface for our 1992 8v92TA DDEC II coach. He suggested I ask on the forum if anyone is successfully using the silverleaf on a 1992 DDEC II system. He specifically wanted to know if anyone with this generation of DDEC was getting oil pressure, odometer, and fuel meter data. His first thought is that our coach will not be compatible with the Silverleaf system. This kind of ruined my day.
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Quote from: Scott Bennett on September 12, 2016, 09:10:07 AM
I just talked to Art today about ordering a silverleaf interface for our 1992 8v92TA DDEC II coach. He suggested I ask on the forum if anyone is successfully using the silverleaf on a 1992 DDEC II system. He specifically wanted to know if anyone with this generation of DDEC was getting oil pressure, odometer, and fuel meter data. His first thought is that our coach will not be compatible with the Silverleaf system. This kind of ruined my day.
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Scott, I have a 1990 6V92 DDEC II and the only thing that doesn't work that should is the odometer accumulation. It did for a while when I first got the Silverleaf interface. Someone else on the forum had this problem and is was rectified with the last version of DDEC II software. I believe it is 154, mine is 139. I haven't done this. Sean also had the same problem with his Neoplan. The oil pressure, fuel flow, speed, coolant temp, rpm, fuel consumed, running time, total time, boost pressure, cruise control features all work great. Doing this from memory.
Rob
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I can make one work all except the odometer and fuel usage,if you can find a DD Pro/Driver they work but have a small screen,Ace has been on Martins case for years trying to make his work with the older DDEC version.
My 89 DDEC II works with Silverleaf, but needed the 154 software rev to do it. Here's a good link:
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=15734.10;wap2 (http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?topic=15734.10;wap2)
You need to take the ECM out of the bus, open it up, and replace the PROM inside to upgrade. I have the instructions around somewhere if you need it. I think it was $99 at the dealer, there is one on ebay now for $55. Part number is R6171618 - Steve
I do have revision 154 already. So I should be good? This is the latest revision for DDEC II correct?.
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Has anybody had any luck with any vendors to do work on DDEC units? I have bought several through our local DD dealer, but I'm SURE there is SOMEBODY out there that can work on them other then the dealer??
Most of the places I have found online look shady, when you google their phone number it is a cell, and when you check out their shipping address it is a house, or a "u ship" place.
If anybody has had good luck dealing with anybody I sure would like to know.
Adam
154 is the latest and last revision for DDEC II - it's what you need to get Silverleaf working. - Steve
Correct, Rev. 154 is the most recent and last. My Silverleaf works great with the 6L71TA DDEC II (1990 vintage) that I have in my PD3751. You will have to pick up the VSS from another source like a tone wheel. Mine is sensed by using a Roadranger transmission gear, and a homemade bracket driving off my Spicer trans in the Silverside. As for the fuel data, that is pretty easy to rectify. Tell Silverleaf you want the TM-295K Fuel Sensor Manager interface box. This is wired into a pressure sensor that works off the weight of the fuel in the tank. I have the Silverleaf VMS440 and have very accurate fuel management info, ie % of fuel remaining in gallons, and also number of gallons consumed, mpg, etc. Very easy to calibrate. The TM-295K also will run an outside air temp probe and display on the Silverleaf.
Very good info here. Ok. I'll call art again tomorrow. I need this thing shipped ASAP. So I think there are only three wires in the diagnostic plug wiring that I need to tap into for the interface. I'll try to figure out which ones. So you guys with DDEC II are getting oil pressure too? If I don't care about odometer much do I even need to worry about VSS? Or does this affect the speedo too?
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It worked on my 102C3 just fine with the DDEC II. The Double Sight monitor is also just right for your dash.
Jack
Jack, I'd really like to get a tablet to use. Anyone have a recommendation?
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The SilverLeaf is MS based ,depends on the manufacture of your DDEC if everything works if you have a early DDEC 11 all functions are not going to work
I use iPad and that doesn't work, so I have a PC on the end table behind the driver and cable to the Double sight. Double sight picture on this thread.
Jack
Jack, When I send you my DDEC to get the power turned up this winter, If it needs the update for the Silverleaf is that something you can do? Because I would like to get a silverleaf for Christmas :D
Jason
Your's will be fine, we are talking about the DDEC II. I think you have a 4.
Jack
That's good, I couldn't tell or see any markings all I know the bus was a 1994. When would be a good time to send it down to you? We have some short trips up until the end of October then were done till spring.
Jason
Best to do it in the Bus. Come on down to our SE Busnut rally the end of Oct.
Jack
Where? and When?
Check SEbusnut.org for rally info. Come one come all
Jack
There's no way I can make that :( No chance your going to be at Kyle's rally? I could possibly make that. I would like to do it in person because I have a few other little quirks I can't figure out. Jason
Jack,
What can you do the ECM's? Are you updating the software? do you have any good leads on rebuilt units?
Adam
Lets not hijack this thread, give me a call if you have questions about ECM 863-206-3838
Jack
Yea sorry Scott didn't mean to get off the supject ;)
Jason
Lol. Doesn't bother me :) I've done my share lol! Cliff, the whole "early" DDEC thing confuses me. If I have the latest revision (154) of DDEC II software in my ECM I assume I'm good to go?
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Quote from: AdamWalkup on September 12, 2016, 02:24:46 PM
Has anybody had any luck with any vendors to do work on DDEC units? I have bought several through our local DD dealer, but I'm SURE there is SOMEBODY out there that can work on them other then the dealer??
Most of the places I have found online look shady, when you google their phone number it is a cell, and when you check out their shipping address it is a house, or a "u ship" place.
If anybody has had good luck dealing with anybody I sure would like to know.
Adam
Adam not to take away from Jack or anything but I also know a guy over in Tampa that is a computer whiz on buses and big trucks.
He rebuilds ecms and such, has the stuff to reprogram them and can do all sorts of stuff to them.
He used to work for MCI, ABC, Setra, and a charter outfit in Orlando before opening his own business specializing in computers and electrical system diagnostics & repairs on buses and big trucks.
He works out of his home/truck and has several shops that he does stuff for that let him use space if he needs it!
Yes his phone is a cell# (or was last I talked to him)
But he's DAMN good and has ALWAYS treated me right.
His name is Said pronounced Sah-eed.
I don't have his # with me, but if you need it send me a pm and I'll get it for you.
BTW I have been to All Around Charters before!
Quote from: Scott Bennett on September 13, 2016, 06:46:25 PM
Lol. Doesn't bother me :) I've done my share lol! Cliff, the whole "early" DDEC thing confuses me. If I have the latest revision (154) of DDEC II software in my ECM I assume I'm good to go?
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The DDEC 11 changed about midway of production when GM went to Motorola the 154 was a version of software
To make a long story short the early DDEC 11 you change to a mechanical because the firing order was the same.The later DDEC 11 Detroit changed the firing order on with different cams.
Early 2 stroke DDEC II engines are a like the old DDEC I you are stuck with what you have while the later can be upgraded to the DDEC IV with only programing.
If you don't buy the SliverLeaf I have a Pro/Driver I will give you but you will need cables it does the same thing just not as fancy and smaller made by Detroit,same deal some 11's it will work on some it won't.LOL
I am still complaining about the price of the MS tablet Martin told me to buy he needs to make the Silver Leaf run on all tablets
So how does one know which DDEC II they have? Early version or later version?
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Quote from: luvrbus on September 13, 2016, 07:52:09 PM
I am still complaining about the price of the MS tablet Martin told me to buy he needs to make the Silver Leaf run on all tablets
You can get refurbished 10" Dell Venue tablets with Windows 10 for under $150. They should run Silverleaf VMS PC just fine I think. I thought Martin has said in the past that VMC PC is a breakeven project for Silverleaf so would he ever port it to Android or IOS?
I had plans to get a Dell Venue for my Silverleaf until I realized a mount would cost almost as much as the tablet.
Quote from: belfert on September 15, 2016, 04:52:30 PM
You can get refurbished 10" Dell Venue tablets with Windows 10 for under $150. They should run Silverleaf VMS PC just fine I think. I thought Martin has said in the past that VMC PC is a breakeven project for Silverleaf so would he ever port it to Android or IOS?
I had plans to get a Dell Venue for my Silverleaf until I realized a mount would cost almost as much as the tablet.
Martin makes enough off his Glass Dash to offset the expense ;D he is like his dad that owned Safari and Beaver when comes to some things
The glass dash was $10,000 at one time. Now it's $5,000.
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Quote from: Scott Bennett on September 15, 2016, 06:11:03 PM
The glass dash was $10,000 at one time. Now it's $5,000.
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I got mine from Newell but I don't want to redo the dash to install it right now so it is a tablet for now
I have a VMS 440 in each of my buses. I think they are the perfect size for a bus dash layout. Did Martin quote you 5K for the glass dash, is that a real quote? Can't believe he would come down that much.
Real quote. Yes sir.
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I was quoted the same figure at the FMCA rally in West Springfield Mass. I was told they got a contract to supply some RV manufacture and that brought the price down.
Wayne
Blades at Newell has always paid 5k for the Glass Dash
So, at this point I just buy the silverleaf and hope it works?
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It will work.
:) awesome. :)
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