BCM Community

Bus Discussion => Bus Topics ( click here for quick start! ) => Topic started by: luvrbus on July 29, 2016, 07:35:52 PM

Title: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: luvrbus on July 29, 2016, 07:35:52 PM
Will a 4 amp 3 stage maintainer keep 2-8D batteries charged I have a DDEC so there is always a little draw down on the batteries 
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on July 29, 2016, 09:36:15 PM
Clifford don't think that will do it. I have a Marine Pro sport 3 way smart charger 12 Amp and it was said to be minimal for two Group 31's. Work good though.

https://www.amazon.com/ProMariner-43012-ProSport-Generation-Battery/dp/B00F5EBR1C (https://www.amazon.com/ProMariner-43012-ProSport-Generation-Battery/dp/B00F5EBR1C)
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: chessie4905 on July 30, 2016, 02:09:36 AM
I use a single version of this with a quad link to maintain 4 batteries.

http://www.pulsetech.net/XCPARALLEL-Xtreme-Charge-Parallel-Multi-12V-Battery-Charger-7276.aspx (http://www.pulsetech.net/XCPARALLEL-Xtreme-Charge-Parallel-Multi-12V-Battery-Charger-7276.aspx)
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: bevans6 on July 30, 2016, 04:52:52 AM
If the batteries are well charged to start with it should work fine.  I used a 5 amp 24 volt smart charger for years on my house bank and the start batteries, which were 8D's.  It took a really long time to actually charge the batteries, like a week or more, but it maintained them just fine.
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on July 30, 2016, 05:54:02 AM
But he also has a draw off it so if it sits for any length of time you will be having to fully charge it to be able for it to maintain them. Depends on how many amps are being used for the per-acidic loads.
Dave
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: luvrbus on July 30, 2016, 06:20:59 AM
This is what I will be using the Pulse/Tech DCS-24 military issue maintainer I came across a box (8 new) from a government auction at a bargain. FWIW Pulse/Tech will not give out any information on these because it's government specs that kinda sucks it's not a secret weapon   ??? it's a friggn charger
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: gumpy on July 30, 2016, 06:36:29 AM
Put an amp meter on your battery and see what the draw is when everything is "off". That should tell you if the 4 amp charger is sufficient. Most cheap meters are capable of 10 amp reading.

Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: luvrbus on July 30, 2016, 06:49:42 AM
They are made I believe to work on the std military 6TL battery which is a 8-D in half for the price of a full 8D ;D,I will keep you guys posted on the outcome tied to 2-8Ds   
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: Oonrahnjay on July 30, 2016, 07:55:15 AM
Quote from: luvrbus on July 30, 2016, 06:49:42 AMThey are made I believe to work on the std military 6TL battery which is a 8-D in half for the price of a full 8D ;D,I will keep you guys posted on the outcome tied to 2-8Ds   

     I hope it works for you, Clifford.  I've run across situations where an electronically-controlled "smart" charger seems to get derailed by extra loads.  If you put them on a battery that's on its own, they seem to see what the battery needs and do a good job with that.  But if you ask them to supply loads in addition to keeping the battery maintained, they seem to get "confused" about what's needed.  Sometime, they seem to put out too much amperage and other times not enough and your battery runs down.  But a "dumb charger" has its risks, too.  I dunno ...
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: thomasinnv on July 30, 2016, 08:07:02 AM
This winter i am going to change the house system over to 24v. (Actually just the inverter and solar system, i will use a vanner to supply the 12v for the lights, water pump, etc) and I plan on installing something like this

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252449159828

It will automatically connect the house and chassis banks together any time either one of them is being charged ie. Plugged into shore power or running down the road, and it has built in option for emergency starting capability.
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: TomC on July 31, 2016, 07:49:12 AM
What about using two solar panel chargers? (one on each battery since you're wired to 24v). I have a solar panel charger that is about 18" square that keeps my 4-31's up to charge on my truck
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: pvcces on August 01, 2016, 12:34:58 AM
Hi, Cliff.

In my experience, batteries the size we use in these buses have less than 1 amp self discharge, so I would expect the charger you have to do the job. Also,we had good results using a Pulse-Tech.

Good luck on your project.

Tom Caffrey
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: Lin on August 01, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
We currently have two telecom batteries for the house.  They weigh 100+ pounds each, so I would say they are equivalent to 4d's.  They are on a float charge with the inverter now and are drawing .6 amps together.
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: luvrbus on August 01, 2016, 08:52:19 AM
With the electronics on mine it draws over a amp.I don't want to disconnect the batteries it causes you problems when the backup battery for the clock goes south in a DDEC 
Title: Re:
Post by: thomasinnv on August 01, 2016, 09:07:13 AM
Hey cliff are you saying you are still drawing over an amp with the main disconnect off in the battery compartment? Or is that with it on? According to da book the ddec still has power with the disconnect off.
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: Dave5Cs on August 01, 2016, 09:32:33 AM
If thats the case whats the point in throwing the battery shutdown switch. I threw mine all the time and still something killed my start batteries. Thats why I am taking out the original cooker converter and have installed the marine smart charger. I just leave them both on and it keeps them charged. 12 amp 3 stage smart charger.
Dave

Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk
Title: Re: 24v Battery Maintainer ?
Post by: luvrbus on August 01, 2016, 09:51:10 AM
With the natural lose,the DDEC and the B500 I am at a amp a day just like Tom described and the DDEC is wired directly to the batteries as it should be, the disconnect switch has nothing to do with the DDEC.I have the new style 39 starter it draws voltage if you leave the main disconnect on for the soft start feature on the starter
Title: Re:
Post by: thomasinnv on August 01, 2016, 11:55:58 AM
Fyi for anyone wondering... i did some testing and placing a 12v maintainer on  the correct start battery will charge/maintain both batteries in the 24v bank thru the vanner. Good info to know. On my other bus i used a 50amp vanner to charge the 12v house bank off of the 24v engine alternator, but had no idea it would actually work in the reverse. I have an auxiliary 12v output on my solar charge controller that i may decide to use to maintain the start batteries.