From what I have read here and other places a 60 series needs rebuild less often and is less expensive when done. we are talking miles to miles and same level of rebuild, and use. Not the exceptions. I have a assumption and would like to confirm or rethink. Bob
A series will last 100 to 200,000 miles longer between rebuilds than a 8v92 in bus if you stay on top of it.
The series 60 is more expensive to rebuild than a 8v92 I saw bills on a series 60 as high as $55,000.00 the average at WW Williams is in the $40,000.00 +range
The machine work on a series 60 is a killer and there is not that many aftermarket parts available for the series 60 and never will be.
LOL I know what I have in parts ( like 1500.00 for a ceramic coated manifold) so far getting ready to upgrade my non EGR series 60 not cheap.I wish I would have kept my marine 14L non EGR series 60 now and installed it in place of 12.7.
Very seldom do you see the 60 series EGR or non EGR series 60 in hiway trucks it is a obsolete engine no longer manufactured and the 2 stroke is going away in 2020
But with a serial number or core will be able to get a reman engine for many years to come. Have not priced one recently.
Quote from: Boomer on May 21, 2016, 08:36:25 AM
But with a serial number or core will be able to get a reman engine for many years to come. Have not priced one recently.
Last one I priced was $33,000.00 with change and 6 weeks out it was a 12.7 EGR engine from DD that included the 500,000 miles extended warranty no telling how much the warranty cost lol.A 60 series can get expensive depending on the level of overhaul 1,2,3 or the 4
hi Clifford & Bob, so in my case, my remanufactured 8V92 with 60,000 miles from the LA prison bus, with my 5,000 to 8,000 miles a year, might out last me!, lvmci...
Quote from: lvmci on May 21, 2016, 09:31:39 AM
hi Clifford & Bob, so in my case, my remanufactured 8V92 with 60,000 miles from the LA prison bus, with my 5,000 to 8,000 miles a year, might out last me!, lvmci...
The mileage really grew on that engine after you paid for it I wonder if the 60,000 is correct up from 8k to 60k that is a big jump
I'm paying 37K for a remanufactured 60 from DD. By the time we change radiators, hoses, clamps, cac, etc. it's at 42K. Two year warranty from DD if they install. If you install, it's a one year warranty. Third year warranty an additional $1,500.
hi Clifford, yes it was, Gilbert was furious with the guy, now he is going out of his way to put in 85 injectors, and the Jake brakes, when I bring it down to LA, early june, thanks as always for your help, tom...
by the way bus nuts, any one stuck with mechanical issues in Las Vegas, Gilbert of G & R bus and diesel, is a reliable and decently priced family business, near the palms hotel, 7025755939, lvmci......
Quote from: LuckyChow on May 22, 2016, 07:23:27 PM
I'm paying 37K for a remanufactured 60 from DD. By the time we change radiators, hoses, clamps, cac, etc. it's at 42K. Two year warranty from DD if they install. If you install, it's a one year warranty. Third year warranty an additional $1,500.
33 k was the last price I got 5 or so years ago so 37k sound about right and I heard they didn't offer the 5 year/500,000 mile warranty any longer
Robert,
American Fleet in Springfield Missouri is a Detroit Diesel specialist. We only build Detroit bus engines for the charter and entertainer bus industry. If you are spending more than $21,000.00 for a series 60 engine pre-EGR, you are throwing away your money.
We build your engine back to your serial number within 4 days of its order. All of our engines come with warranties that are honored nationwide. And, if you prefer to bring the bus to us for the install, we can complete the install within 3 days.
Not sure where the member (luvrbus) is getting his info about series 60 have becoming obsolete. There are glider kit truck companies that are installing Series 60 engines in highway trucks every day at a alarming rate. We buy cores from a company in Chicago that supplies Fitzgerald Gliders and Detroit Diesel with cores. Last month they shipped Fitzgerald 1,500 Series 60 cores. I'd say the demand for Detroit is pretty far from obsolete.
Brian, most of us are running engines that are no longer produced by the company that created them, hense obsolete, DD, 8V92s, 6V92s, 8V71s, even some straight 6-71s, and others, that doesn't preclude them from being rebuilt or remanufactured, but my understanding is that you can't buy 2 strokes for commercial use in California and soon other states in the US, lvmci...
Quote from: Detroitenginespecialist on May 24, 2016, 06:25:58 AM
Robert,
American Fleet in Springfield Missouri is a Detroit Diesel specialist. We only build Detroit bus engines for the charter and entertainer bus industry. If you are spending more than $21,000.00 for a series 60 engine pre-EGR, you are throwing away your money.
We build your engine back to your serial number within 4 days of its order. All of our engines come with warranties that are honored nationwide. And, if you prefer to bring the bus to us for the install, we can complete the install within 3 days.
Not sure where the member (luvrbus) is getting his info about series 60 have becoming obsolete. There are glider kit truck companies that are installing Series 60 engines in highway trucks every day at a alarming rate. We buy cores from a company in Chicago that supplies Fitzgerald Gliders and Detroit Diesel with cores. Last month they shipped Fitzgerald 1,500 Series 60 cores. I'd say the demand for Detroit is pretty far from obsolete.
any engine no longer being manufactured is obsolete IMO the series 60 production stopped last Jan of 2015 it's all going to be MB from here on out.What good is going to do they don't meet the EPA standards that is the reason they were replaced with the DD 13
Go to the MTU engine site. The Series 60 is still being made in both 12.7 and 14.0 liter. MTU has a 2 stroke Detroit program providing rebuilt long blocks and heads. The 6V-53, 8V-71, 8V-92 are still being made for military. The big problem with Detroit 2 strokes is finding experienced mechanics to work on them. Good Luck, TomC
I know a place where you can find Detroit mechanics ;)
I am in Houston talking to people in the know at S&S they say no series 60 blocks have been cast in a year not even for MTU.Steve is telling me the DD15 surpassed the sales of the series 60 in 2008 so there is no need to manufacture a series 60.Lol they don't care much for a Fitzgerald reman series 60
For anyone contemplating an engine rebuild I would strongly urge that you allow American Fleet to provide a quote because the feedback we have gotten from folks who have used them and their engines has all been very positive. To the best of my knowledge their prices are substantially less than those mentioned above. americanfleetinc.com
I agree that Fitzgerald is not all that great. We have reman'd two of their engines and we were shocked at how they were built and put together with different components to make up a Detroit.
Everyone knows Detroit is not casting Series 60 blocks. But they sure do buy tremendous numbers of blocks/cores to reman just like we do. My point in all of this, is to wake everyone up to the fact that you are paying more than needed for an engine that we build WITH THE SAME PARTS, for far less that any Detroit dealer.
On top of that, when a dealership see a bus coming, most dealer get turned off by buses and will raise the install price because its a bus and not a truck. They tell you is a 50 hour job, and that just the way it is. We have a bus coming here from Atlanta that sat at a Detroit dealer for a week before they proposed their findings and recommendations.
We started his build yesterday, the bus arrives tonight, removal tomorrow, install Thursday morning. Back on the road to Atlanta Friday morning to get back online and making money.
I have one with 300,000 on it and consider it in the keep a eye on it stage. Year2000 out of a freightlinner. will prob never put another 100,000 miles on it. Good oil pressure and no strange sounds. Fresh turbo. New experience for me with 60 series. Have rebuilt old detroit before. Just trying to get a plan in place in case! Bob
If you do put another 100,000 miles on the 60 series I would pull the bull gear at 4 to 500,000 miles and buy you a spare set of injectors the 12.7 loves injectors you lose a injector on the road it will cost you 2 grand for 1 injector installed at a DD dealer fwiw I bought a new set for spares for 800 bucks (not rebuilt) Keep on top of it the series 60 will last but they are not bullet and one can go to hell in a hurry without the proper maintenance and don't use straight 40W only 15/40 :D :D :D